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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Why the Dark side specifically? He is a senator that can travel and she's a slave in the Outer Rim.
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anakin is not biracial (Plagueis is from the banking clan planet and not human)

and I think the idea is that they did it because they reached a point that they simply could
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
I don't think Plagueis knows anything else. And Sidious stated that he was the one strong enough to just create life, it's just that he was unlucky enough to get killed by his apprentice.
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Naw, Shmi doesn't want to admit that she got impaled by Palpatine's lightsaber and gentlemen do not talk about the women they fucked.
 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Naw, Shmi doesn't want to admit that she got impaled by Palpatine's lightsaber and gentlemen do not talk about the women they fucked.
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Palpatine was probably plowing high-class Naboo ladies, not random Hutt slaves from a shithole like Tatooine. Given that he is from the aristocracy, Old Palpy probably wants his poon to be high-class at best.
 
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Dixieland Buckaroo said:
At one point it was even 12 films. The number varied a lot between the filming of A New Hope and Return of the Jedi coming out. Ultimately George got tired and punted at Return of the Jedi... until ILM's work on Jurassic Park proved to him he could do the prequels in his head. Heck, even during the prequels, he said it'd just be the six, but then he goes back and writes treatments for the sequels (prior to sale).
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I still don't get why Return of The Jedi is considered lesser than A New Hope or Empire Strikes Back. Yes the Ewoks are a bit silly but for me a movie must have at least more than one flaw for me to dislike it.
 
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King Metalia said:
I still don't get why Return of The Jedi is considered lesser than A New Hope or Empire Strikes Back. Yes the Ewoks are a bit silly but for me a movie must have at least more than one flaw for me to dislike it.
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It depends on your taste, really. Fans of ESB and ROTS find it stupid, but people who like LOTR-themed stuff and good, goofy action find it fun. I'm a bit half and half; the silly parts are cringe, but the action bits are fun.
 
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King Metalia said:
I still don't get why Return of The Jedi is considered lesser than A New Hope or Empire Strikes Back. Yes the Ewoks are a bit silly but for me a movie must have at least more than one flaw for me to dislike it.
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Because it is when you look at it from more objective standpoints of plot construction and overall writing. There is a lot of "and then" writing rather than "because" writing that was more prevalent in the prior two films.

Its action is some of the best of the OT, but its held together with ducktape and glue. Here is just a short list of its problems.
-Han is reduced to a goofy caricature of himself and really doesn't have much to actually do in the film as Luke and Leia pretty much do everything.
-Luke just giving himself up to Vader is simply to enable the final fight between him, Vader and the emperor on the Death star 2.0 rather than any actual reason that would make sense.
-Its been said to death, but the Ewoks fighting and for a short time winning against an imperial battalion is fucking ridiculous.
-The empire just collapsing almost instantly when the emperor dies is just weird and nonsensical
-The rebel fleet surviving being surrounded by an armada of imperial ships even with the death star 2.0 gone is dumb.
-The Death star 2.0 being a thing is just lame and re-treading the same ground.

And I could go on and on. I like the film and think that despite its flaws its an incredibly enjoyable time and a satisfying conclusion to the OT, but I am not going to pretend it isn't heavily flawed and the weakest of the three films on more objective levels.
 
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Chilson said:
Because it is when you look at it from more objective standpoints of plot construction and overall writing. There is a lot of "and then" writing rather than "because" writing that was more prevalent in the prior two films.

Its action is some of the best of the OT, but its held together with ducktape and glue. Here is just a short list of its problems.
-Han is reduced to a goofy caricature of himself and really doesn't have much to actually do in the film as Luke and Leia pretty much do everything.
-Luke just giving himself up to Vader is simply to enable the final fight between him, Vader and the emperor on the Death star 2.0 rather than any actual reason that would make sense.
-Its been said to death, but the Ewoks fighting and for a short time winning against an imperial battalion is fucking ridiculous.
-The empire just collapsing almost instantly when the emperor dies is just weird and nonsensical
-The rebel fleet surviving being surrounded by an armada of imperial ships even with the death star 2.0 gone is dumb.
-The Death star 2.0 being a thing is just lame and re-treading the same ground.

And I could go on and on. I like the film and think that despite its flaws its an incredibly enjoyable time and a satisfying conclusion to the OT, but I am not going to pretend it isn't heavily flawed and the weakest of the three films on more objective levels.
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Basically, ROTJ is emotionally satisfying as an ending, but the plot logic starts to wear thin, and authors like Timothy Zahn had to make stuff up like Battle Meditation in order to explain the Imperial Fleet losing despite the fact that they should've won.

Another explanation offered by other EU stuff like Galactic Battlegrounds is that with the Emperor dead, much of the fleet commanders and captains saw a chance to claim a world for themselves, which would explain why the Imps lost on Endor; once the old man was dead, they went off to seize a portion of his realm for themselves. In the Post-Endor era, the New Republic got swamped with calls for help from planets getting taken over by local Imperial warlords since every moron with a Star Destroyer tried to claim a planet for themselves.
 
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Kylo Ren's real origins:
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melty said:
Sabine Wren is WAY less annoying in live action.
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Depends. All the lore nuts who hate Rey fucking hate Sabine in the Ahsoka show more than in Rebels. In Rebels, she was just the average non-Force-user who had to use her brains. In Ahsoka, she suddenly is considered for Jedi training and suddenly has the Force, even though she hung around with two Jedi who didn't sense the Force in her. If she had Force-sensitivity, Kanan would've obviously trained her given that as a Mando and an ex-Imperial, she'd be a way more stable apprentice than Ezra.

But, for those who hated Sabine in the Rebels cartoon for being an artsy know-it-all who is good at almost everything she does, seeing her fall flat on her face and fail more than once in Ahsoka was probably a breath of fresh air. Making her take decisions that utterly fuck over everyone just because of her single-minded desire for Ezra made her a bit more grounded as a character, at least until she started Force-pushing Ezra up the Chimaera's port.
 
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Chilson said:
-Its been said to death, but the Ewoks fighting and for a short time winning against an imperial battalion is fucking ridiculous.
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This is one of the lamest moments in all of Star Wars. It's like Arya killing the Night's King level writing. Where it completely neuters and diminishes the villains for every other story they are involved in. Why would anyone fear the Empire when tiny midget hamster looking creatures can assault and destroy their best imperial armor and stormtroopers with sticks and rocks?

It also makes the Jedi look pathetic and incompetent. If Order 66 was to genocide all Ewoks then the Empire would have failed. Yet when it came to hunting down the most dangerous and fearsome warriors in existence they are able to kill all but a few dozen Jedi spread across galaxies and worlds? Star Wars never takes the 'war' part seriously at least with Lucas. But the Ewoks are the worst example of how silly the franchise is willing to get in a full scale deadly war.
 
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