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That's an understatement. The average American fucking hates that shit, will remember which dumb fucks were doing it, and will side against them by default in the future due to it.
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let me explain how non-news work:
First nobody knows what is a "settler" exactly. If say an American buys a house somewhere in Hebron, is he a "settler" if he's Jewish, is he a settler because he's not Palestinian, how does it work? When is someone a "settler"? Hamas / deluded lefties always mention them. They don't even know what the words mean.
But OK, this one is a "settler". Fine. When is he moderate and when is he extremist? OK fine, this one is "extremist", he wants to shoot and burn the Palestinians. But if that is just his opinion and apart from that, he is a law-abiding non-discriminating citizen who will only shoot and burn Palestinians if there is a law authorising him to do that, why should he be punished, for thoughtcrime?
And what sanction? not allowing them to buy Camembert? not allowing them to have French bank accounts?
What you read has no meaning.
The "Free Palestine" and "from the river to the sea" people are not very intelligent.
Try to get them to explain:
Who is a Palestinian? An Arab born in Israeli territory? Must the Arab be Muslim? someone who is born in the "occupied West Bank" and is Christian (Betlehem, Nazareth), is he a "Palestinian"? btw technically, since you don't recognise Israel, is he not a Jordanian?
Surely you can't deny that there have been Jews in the region for 2000+ years. Don't they have a right to be there too? If you say they should be expelled, the same point can be made for the Palestinian.
Ask them to explain what exactly *is* a settler (see arguments above).
Why did Hamas kill so many civilians? Ah they are settlers not civilians, I see. Even the foreign workers or the foreigners that went to the music festival?
The moment they mix religion in, remind them that actually it is the Muslims who want to keep the Mosque on temple grounds and keep everyone else away. Religious Jews will not go on temple grounds and will not try to rebuild the temple, as it can only happen when Moshiah comes. Some very deluded Christians (usually American unfortunately) try such things as praying on the temple mount, rebuilding the temple etc. Note however, that if you go in Rome in St. Peter's and say a Muslim or Jewish prayer people won't even mind, you'll look like a tourist saying something in gibberish (but then devout Muslims or Jews won't go to St. Peter's, where they adore the statue of a man being tortured).
"we are against the state of Israel, not the Jews, we are not antisemitic" - sure, but when you say free Palestine you mean that only Christian and Muslim local populations have the right to have a state there, seems antisemitic to me.
"there is apartheid there" - not at all. Nowhere does it say Jewish only. Only at the temple mount they want Muslim only. Palestinians don't need to live in townships out of the city. Some things are for Israelis only, true, like in any country, you can't be president of France if you are not French. If you are not Israeli you can't just come to Israel and stay and work there. If you are Jewish in theory you can, but it's not that simple. It's like Italian or German citizenship, you have to prove one of your ancestors was Italian or German, sometimes it's difficult to do.
And as far as religious tolerance goes, all those people shot driving on Saturday morning shows that Israel is far from being a country that imposes Jewish law on everyone.
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Hezbollah deaths 112-115:
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Entry bans, probably. This is a non-issue anyway; most settlers are no different than the average Israeli and the army/police/Shabak keep a pretty tight handle on the few retards that cause problems (which leads to a lot of kvetching and BLM-like rhetoric from them and their rabbis). I'd bet it won't even matter to the extremists they sanction because a) most of them have never left the country and don't plan on doing so in the future and b) if they have, they're probably American citizens and don't care about what the French government does. The settlers are the Jews of the Jews; the world will always villify them no matter what the facts are, so it's a safe way for Western leaders to pander to Muslims and leftists.
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@nya002 you're right on the money. The thing I will add is that for many Americans it's a) not clear because they have no idea what is going on and b) it's hard to understand.
Israel as everyone here knows sits in the middle area where it's in the Middle East. Yes, but it's very western. There are strip clubs in Israel. A homosexuality is for the most part tolerated by most society. Women have many rights just like in any other Western country, there's fair wages and laws etc etc. however, Israel also has many vestiges of the bullshit that plagues the Middle East. It legally has lots of holdovers from the Ottoman times. Religious law permeates society but the state has found ways to allow workarounds. However, the problem is that many of the Arab populations, particularly in the Palestinians act like Arabs from other countries bombing kicking out non-muslims pulling shit like October 7th and for many people they can't seem to wrap Israel around their heads. Because I want hand they see Tel Aviv which has the largest gay population in the Middle East. According to homosexuals that I know Tel Aviv is the gayest place to go and it has all the beach parties and shit that homosexuals like to do and it's like a top 10 gay spot in the world better than San Francisco or whatever. However on the same time they have car bombings and hostage situations and shit like October 7th. So when you talk to them they really don't know what to do.
And this isn't new. I'll explain in a second post so people can reply
On one hand they hear stories about how the settlers throw out the Palestinians from their farms or how you know the government treats the Palestinians like shit and they feel bad for them because they recognize that the western government than the western police treat them like shit, they also feel bad about what we did to the native Americans in the US. But then on the other hand they see the wanted and disgusting violence that the Palestinians pursue on the Israelis. So it becomes an issue of timing. If the people in the west hear about the disgusting terror attacks that the Palestinians inflict on the Israelis, they're not going to support the Palestinian cause. However, if they hear about the bullshit societal crap first then they will side with the Palestinians first and then it's an issue of trying to enlighten them about why Israel is acting the way Israel is acting.
Israel as everyone here knows sits in the middle area where it's in the Middle East. Yes, but it's very western. There are strip clubs in Israel. A homosexuality is for the most part tolerated by most society. Women have many rights just like in any other Western country, there's fair wages and laws etc etc. however, Israel also has many vestiges of the bullshit that plagues the Middle East. It legally has lots of holdovers from the Ottoman times. Religious law permeates society but the state has found ways to allow workarounds. However, the problem is that many of the Arab populations, particularly in the Palestinians act like Arabs from other countries bombing kicking out non-muslims pulling shit like October 7th and for many people they can't seem to wrap Israel around their heads. Because I want hand they see Tel Aviv which has the largest gay population in the Middle East. According to homosexuals that I know Tel Aviv is the gayest place to go and it has all the beach parties and shit that homosexuals like to do and it's like a top 10 gay spot in the world better than San Francisco or whatever. However on the same time they have car bombings and hostage situations and shit like October 7th. So when you talk to them they really don't know what to do.
And this isn't new. I'll explain in a second post so people can reply
On one hand they hear stories about how the settlers throw out the Palestinians from their farms or how you know the government treats the Palestinians like shit and they feel bad for them because they recognize that the western government than the western police treat them like shit, they also feel bad about what we did to the native Americans in the US. But then on the other hand they see the wanted and disgusting violence that the Palestinians pursue on the Israelis. So it becomes an issue of timing. If the people in the west hear about the disgusting terror attacks that the Palestinians inflict on the Israelis, they're not going to support the Palestinian cause. However, if they hear about the bullshit societal crap first then they will side with the Palestinians first and then it's an issue of trying to enlighten them about why Israel is acting the way Israel is acting.
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@nya002 @Maori Kiwifruit Growers Please try to keep the thread relevant to news about the war.
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Gaza hospital chief tells Shin Bet that his medical center was taken over by Hamas, housed a hostage ( a )
Today, 5:01 pm
Director of Gaza's Kamal Adwan hospital Ahmed Kahlot is seen being interrogated by the Shin Bet in a video published on Tuesday, December 19, 2023. (Shin Bet)
The director of Gaza’s Kamal Adwan hospital in Jabaliya reveals in a Shin Bet interrogation that his northern Gaza hospital was turned into a military facility under Hamas’s control and that at one point it housed a kidnapped soldier.
In footage published on Tuesday by the Shin Bet and IDF, hospital director Ahmed Kahlot tells Israeli forces that Hamas had offices inside the hospital and used it as a base for operational activity.
According to Kahlot, who himself has been a lieutenant colonel in Hamas since 2010, some 16 members of the hospital’s staff – including doctors, nurses and paramedics – are also Hamas operatives who serve in the al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of the terror organization.
He adds that several members of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad’s Al-Quds Brigades are also employed in the hospital.
Gaza healthcare workers ‘taken’ by Israeli forces, says doctor, amid ‘horrendous conditions’ at hospitals ( a )
By Ibrahim Dahman, Tim Lister and Tara John, CNN
4 minute read | Updated 5:10 AM EST, Wed December 13, 2023
An interior view of the destroyed infant intensive care unit of Kamal Adwan Hospital in Gaza on November 19, 2023. Anadolu/Anadolu/Getty Images/FILE
(CNN) — A senior doctor in northern Gaza says that dozens of medical staffers at his hospital have been taken to an undisclosed location by the Israeli military, as the enclave’s wider healthcare system teeters on the edge of collapse.
Dr. Hossam Abu-Safia, head of pediatrics at Kamal Adwan Hospital, told CNN in a phone interview that the area where the facility is located saw particularly heaving bombing on Tuesday followed by the arrival of Israeli troops, describing the situation as “very dangerous.”
The troops told all men between the ages of 16 and 65 to leave the building to be searched, he said.
More than 70 medical staff were “arrested and taken to an unknown area,” according to Abu-Safia, including hospital director, Dr. Ahmed Al-Kahlot. His claim was echoed in a statement by Gaza’s Hamas-controlled Health Ministry.
Al-Kahlot had spoken to CNN less than 24 hours earlier, alleging that Israeli tank shells had hit the hospital’s maternity ward on Monday. The strike killed two women and left two more so badly wounded their legs required amputation, he said at the time.
CNN was unable to reach Dr. Al-Kahlot on Tuesday.
Asked about the arrests, the Israel Defense Forces said that it continues “to act against Hamas strongholds in the north of Gaza, among them the area of Beit Lahia.”
Kamal Adwan hospital is located in Gaza City, not Beit Lahia.
The statement added that the IDF is taking “all feasible precaution to mitigate harm to non-combatants, and is fighting against the Hamas terrorist organization, and not the civilians in Gaza or the medical teams operating there.”
‘Horrendous conditions’
Israeli actions in and around hospitals in Gaza have come under fierce criticism, as medical workers and NGOS warn that the health system in the territory is barely functional and cannot tolerate any more strain.
Last month, the Israeli army raided Gaza’s largest hospital, Al Shifa, in search of conclusive proof of the large-scale command and control center it had claimed was there, as doctors rushed to evacuate patients and dozens of newborn infants in need of incubators.
The IDF subsequently brought some reporters to see the tunnels it had uncovered inside the hospital compound, which also included several small underground rooms. CNN has been shown the tunnel shaft but has not been inside the tunnels.
At Al-Rantisi children’s hospital, medical staff were also told to leave, as the IDF conducted operations inside; Israeli military officials later alleged that one room in the building’s basement was a Hamas armory, which had a handful of weapons and a chair with a rope next to it – a claim Gaza health officials denied.
Many medical centers serve as shelters for displaced Gazans seeking safety, in addition to caring for patients. But those seeking refuge in hospitals are finding that “this is just not the case,” Marie-Aure Perreaut, the emergency coordinator for Doctors Without Borders in the enclave.
While hospitals as a category are protected by international law, they may be viewed as legitimate military targets if found to be housing able-bodied combatants and weapons. The Israeli military has said it only carries out operations in and around hospitals where they are being used by Hamas and other armed groups.
Hospitals in northern Gaza
Source: United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs
Graphic: Lou Robinson, CNN
According to Dr. Abu-Safia, he and just five other doctors were allowed to stay at Kamal Adwan Hospital to attend to patients in intensive care unit and premature babies.
“They asked us to gather in only one section or building [and] close all the doors and windows, and not to be near doors or windows,” he said.
But the care that the hospital’s remaining staff can offer patients too weak to be moved has been minimal, he said, “due to acute shortages of fuel, water, food, and medical supplies even before the siege.” Today the hospital has no water or power, he added, noting that doctors are “working with primitive flashlights to follow up on the patients left in the hospital.”
Across the besieged enclave, only 11 hospitals remain even partially functional, according to Richard Peeperkorn, the World Health Organization’s (WHO) representative in Gaza, in a press conference Tuesday.
“In just 66 days the health system has gone from 36 functional hospitals to 11 partially functional hospitals - so, one in the north and 10 in the south,” he said.
In the same day, WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said he was “extremely worried” about “reports of a raid at Kamal Adwan Hospital in #Gaza after several days of siege,” in a post on X, formerly known as Twitter.
Several hospitals in northern Gaza have ceased operations in recent weeks, saying they received orders from the Israeli military to evacuate. The Israeli military disputes issuing such an order.
Fuel shortages have forced several hospitals in Gaza to close, while others have shut down due to airstrike damage, according to the WHO.
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CNN’s Abeer Salman, Catherine Nicholls and Isa Soares contributed to this report.
By Ibrahim Dahman, Tim Lister and Tara John, CNN
4 minute read | Updated 5:10 AM EST, Wed December 13, 2023
An interior view of the destroyed infant intensive care unit of Kamal Adwan Hospital in Gaza on November 19, 2023. Anadolu/Anadolu/Getty Images/FILE
(CNN) — A senior doctor in northern Gaza says that dozens of medical staffers at his hospital have been taken to an undisclosed location by the Israeli military, as the enclave’s wider healthcare system teeters on the edge of collapse.
Dr. Hossam Abu-Safia, head of pediatrics at Kamal Adwan Hospital, told CNN in a phone interview that the area where the facility is located saw particularly heaving bombing on Tuesday followed by the arrival of Israeli troops, describing the situation as “very dangerous.”
The troops told all men between the ages of 16 and 65 to leave the building to be searched, he said.
More than 70 medical staff were “arrested and taken to an unknown area,” according to Abu-Safia, including hospital director, Dr. Ahmed Al-Kahlot. His claim was echoed in a statement by Gaza’s Hamas-controlled Health Ministry.
Al-Kahlot had spoken to CNN less than 24 hours earlier, alleging that Israeli tank shells had hit the hospital’s maternity ward on Monday. The strike killed two women and left two more so badly wounded their legs required amputation, he said at the time.
CNN was unable to reach Dr. Al-Kahlot on Tuesday.
Asked about the arrests, the Israel Defense Forces said that it continues “to act against Hamas strongholds in the north of Gaza, among them the area of Beit Lahia.”
Kamal Adwan hospital is located in Gaza City, not Beit Lahia.
The statement added that the IDF is taking “all feasible precaution to mitigate harm to non-combatants, and is fighting against the Hamas terrorist organization, and not the civilians in Gaza or the medical teams operating there.”
‘Horrendous conditions’
Israeli actions in and around hospitals in Gaza have come under fierce criticism, as medical workers and NGOS warn that the health system in the territory is barely functional and cannot tolerate any more strain.
Last month, the Israeli army raided Gaza’s largest hospital, Al Shifa, in search of conclusive proof of the large-scale command and control center it had claimed was there, as doctors rushed to evacuate patients and dozens of newborn infants in need of incubators.
The IDF subsequently brought some reporters to see the tunnels it had uncovered inside the hospital compound, which also included several small underground rooms. CNN has been shown the tunnel shaft but has not been inside the tunnels.
At Al-Rantisi children’s hospital, medical staff were also told to leave, as the IDF conducted operations inside; Israeli military officials later alleged that one room in the building’s basement was a Hamas armory, which had a handful of weapons and a chair with a rope next to it – a claim Gaza health officials denied.
Many medical centers serve as shelters for displaced Gazans seeking safety, in addition to caring for patients. But those seeking refuge in hospitals are finding that “this is just not the case,” Marie-Aure Perreaut, the emergency coordinator for Doctors Without Borders in the enclave.
While hospitals as a category are protected by international law, they may be viewed as legitimate military targets if found to be housing able-bodied combatants and weapons. The Israeli military has said it only carries out operations in and around hospitals where they are being used by Hamas and other armed groups.
Hospitals in northern Gaza
Source: United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs
Graphic: Lou Robinson, CNN
According to Dr. Abu-Safia, he and just five other doctors were allowed to stay at Kamal Adwan Hospital to attend to patients in intensive care unit and premature babies.
“They asked us to gather in only one section or building [and] close all the doors and windows, and not to be near doors or windows,” he said.
But the care that the hospital’s remaining staff can offer patients too weak to be moved has been minimal, he said, “due to acute shortages of fuel, water, food, and medical supplies even before the siege.” Today the hospital has no water or power, he added, noting that doctors are “working with primitive flashlights to follow up on the patients left in the hospital.”
Across the besieged enclave, only 11 hospitals remain even partially functional, according to Richard Peeperkorn, the World Health Organization’s (WHO) representative in Gaza, in a press conference Tuesday.
“In just 66 days the health system has gone from 36 functional hospitals to 11 partially functional hospitals - so, one in the north and 10 in the south,” he said.
In the same day, WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said he was “extremely worried” about “reports of a raid at Kamal Adwan Hospital in #Gaza after several days of siege,” in a post on X, formerly known as Twitter.
Several hospitals in northern Gaza have ceased operations in recent weeks, saying they received orders from the Israeli military to evacuate. The Israeli military disputes issuing such an order.
Fuel shortages have forced several hospitals in Gaza to close, while others have shut down due to airstrike damage, according to the WHO.
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CNN’s Abeer Salman, Catherine Nicholls and Isa Soares contributed to this report.
Earlier this week, the head of the World Health Organization condemned military action at the hospital in question:
NBC News reports that Noa Argamani, the woman seen on video being carried away from the music festival, may be held hostage by non-Hamas members:
Noa Argamani became the face of the Nova music festival hostages ( a )
More than two months after she was taken hostage, friends and family are growing more desperate to know her fate, and why she hasn’t been freed alongside dozens of others.
Dec. 19, 2023, 6:12 AM EST
By Raf Sanchez, Chantal Da Silva and Shira Pinson
BE’ER SHEVA, Israel — The video of her kidnapping has been seen around the world.
A hand outstretched, terror etched on her face, screaming as she is carried away on the back of a motorcycle, the roughly 10-second clip became an instant symbol of Israel’s hostage crisis.
But more than two months after Noa Argamani was abducted from the Supernova, or Nova, music festival during the Oct. 7 terrorist attack, she remains a captive in Gaza. Even as other young civilian women were released during a weeklong ceasefire in November, there has been no sign of Argamani.
NBC News has uncovered information indicating she may not have been kidnapped by Hamas, but was instead most likely abducted by a mob of Gazans that swept into Israel hours after the initial attack. That may explain why she was not released during the November cease-fire: Hamas may not be holding her, or even know where she is.
Argamani is among 14 female civilians who have yet to be released by their captors. More than two months after she was taken hostage, friends and family are growing more desperate to know her fate, and why she hasn’t been freed alongside about 100 others.
Noa Argamani is pictured with her friend Noa Stern in one of Argamani's favorite places in Be'er Sheva before she was taken hostage. Supplied to NBC News
“When you see someone you love so much and a person that is so close to you in this situation, you just get crazy,” Amir Moadi, 29, a roommate and friend of Argamani’s, said in an interview. “Because there’s nothing you can do.”
While it’s known Hamas terrorists took hostages during the attack, who took Argamani is less clear, according to text messages, phone records, satellite images and human sources, as well as an NBC News analysis of the sun’s position during her abduction. The information indicates that she may not have been seized by Hamas militants at all, and instead may have been taken by another group of men who followed trained Hamas fighters out of the blockaded Palestinian enclave into Israel.
Moadi realized Argamani had been taken from the Nova music festival near Re’im when he saw the video that sent shockwaves around the world. He watched the footage of his close friend being driven away and reaching out toward her boyfriend, Avinatan Or, as their assailants marched him behind her. Israeli officials say that as many as 350 people were killed at the festival.
Noa Argamani. via Facebook
A second video posted to social media on Oct. 7 showed Argamani, who turned 26 in captivity, sitting on a sofa drinking from a water bottle. Two people with bare feet could be seen walking behind her. It gave some of her friends hope she was OK.
“It’s crazy to say, but … I was thankful that she’s not dead because I saw other videos and I saw what happened to other people,” Moadi said.
For Argamani’s loved ones, efforts to free her feel like a race against time because her mother, Liora, has terminal brain cancer, Moadi said. They are desperate to know why she wasn’t among those exchanged in an extended hostage-prisoner swap before talks between Israel and Hamas collapsed on Dec. 1.
‘Can’t get out’
As news of Hamas’ attack — in which 1,200 people were killed and 240 taken hostage, according to Israeli officials — spread throughout Israel early on Oct. 7, Argamani and Or’s loved ones began to worry for their safety. They knew they were around 3 miles from the border with Gaza.
A flurry of text messages reviewed by NBC News reveals the couple’s and their friends’ mounting panic.
In a photo sent to a friend at 7:46 a.m., about an hour after Hamas began its attack, Argamani, a data science engineering student, can be seen smiling and making a peace sign, reassuring worried friends. The photo was sent by another friend who had attended the festival — Ori Tchernichovsky, 29, who would later be killed.
At some point before his death, friends said Tchernichovsky’s phone history revealed he had a roughly 7-minute call with Argamani, but it is unclear what was said. Tchernichovsky’s friends learned about the call when his phone was returned to his family after he was found dead.
Avinatan Or takes a photo as he and Noa Argamani hide from attackers at the Nova festival on Oct. 7. Supplied to NBC News
At 8:10 a.m., Argamani messaged a different friend, saying she was in a parking lot and “can’t get out.” Her friend warned her to “hide,” adding: “Let me know that everything is o.k.”
At 9:08 a.m., Argamani sent that friend a live location, saying she hoped “somebody will come and save us.”
Or, Argamani’s boyfriend, sent a selfie to another friend at 9:24 a.m., fear written on his face. Argamani lies huddled in the fetal position in front of him as they hide from their attackers. “It’s crazy here,” he messaged.
At 9:32 a.m., Or told his friend there were around 20 people looking for anyone hiding so they could “lynch them.” Later, he said the attackers were finding people and killing them one by one.
The last message he sent his friend was delivered at 10:19 a.m., thanking them for letting him know that authorities were either at the festival site or on the way.
The last message NBC News has seen sent by Argamani was delivered at 10:27 a.m., after a friend told her she heard others had been able to escape the festival site in a vehicle. “We don’t have a car,” Argamani said.
Or’s friend, Dolev Kikos, 27, said his messages were going through as of 10:43 a.m. But they appeared undelivered shortly after, suggesting Or’s phone was either dead or turned off.
A still from video shows Avinatan Or as he appears to be captured In Israel by a group of men on Oct. 7, 2023. via Telegram
The analysis of the sun and shadows that appear in the video of the couple’s capture suggests that Or and Argamani were most likely kidnapped several hours into the attack and closer to midday than sunrise, when the attack began.
Holding out hope
Argamani’s friends said they felt hopeful last month when a deal to free hostages in Gaza amid a cease-fire was repeatedly extended. More than 100 people were released over seven days. But on Dec. 1, their hopes were shattered when the truce fell apart.
“She just slipped from the fingers,” Yan Gorjaltsan, a close friend of Argamani’s told NBC News.
“Every one of us imagined her back home,” Gorjaltsan, 27, told NBC News as he sat with a group of friends in one of Argamani’s favorite places in her hometown of Be’er Sheva — a sandy hill overlooking the Negev desert where she would often go alone to find peace or unwind.
“We saw her with us again,” he said.
The cease-fire also brought hope to Argamani’s mother and father, Yaacov Argamani, who were desperate to see their only child reunited with Liora, whose condition continues to deteriorate.
By the time the cease-fire fell apart, the number of hostages held in Gaza had fallen from 240 to less than 140. Of those, the majority are men who were never part of the hostage deal, as well as at least 19 women, 14 of whom are civilians.
An Israeli soldier patrols on Oct. 12 near Kibbutz Beeri, the location of the Supernova music festival attack. Aris Messinis / AFP - Getty Images file
The U.S. and Israel have said it was Hamas’ refusal to release those women that led to the collapse of the cease-fire. Hamas has, in turn, blamed Israel, saying it refused “to accept all offers to release other detainees.”
NBC News asked Mark Regev, senior adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, why Hamas may have reneged on the deal. He suggested one reason could have to do with the ages of some of the women who were expected to be released.
Military service is mandatory for most Israelis when they turn 18. “I think Hamas has a position, yes, that anyone who’s in the age, young, that they’re automatically soldiers even though they were clearly civilians when they were taken hostage,” Regev said.
State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller suggested a more bleak possibility on Dec. 4, days after the truce collapsed, saying Hamas doesn’t “want those women to be able to talk about what happened to them during their time in custody.
“Every day there’s more evidence of what Hamas did,” he said, referring to recent reports of mounting evidence of sexual violence and rape during the group’s Oct. 7 attack. “No one can have any illusions about who we’re dealing with.”
Hamas has denied accusations of sexual violence.
A third possibility is that Hamas does not have Argamani in its captivity at all. NBC News gathered information indicating that she may have been taken by a group who crossed the border into Israel after Hamas stormed through.
Two Israeli military officials said that the first wave of the attack that morning on the festival appeared to have been carried out by members of the Nukhba Force, an elite Hamas commando unit. But as the hours passed, the sources said, other people, possibly including criminal elements, also entered the festival site.
One of the officials pointed out that none of the captors seen in the video of Argamani and Or’s kidnapping appear to be armed or wearing tactical vests, suggesting they are unlikely to be Nukhba members. At least one member of the group also appears to be young.
Noa Argamani pictured with friends. Supplied to NBC News
The analysis of the sun and shadow appearing in the images of the kidnapping also suggests it occurred in the late morning, hours after the Nukhba Force launched the attack.
A fourth possibility is one that Argamani’s friends and family don’t want to imagine.
Hamas has claimed throughout the war that hostages have been killed amid Israel’s offensive in Gaza.
On Friday, Israel announced it had mistakenly killed three Israeli hostages who were carrying a white flag, with at least one person shouting out in Hebrew.
Some of the hostages who have been released by Hamas have described hearing the sounds of heavy bombardment around them amid Israel’s offensive.
On Dec. 10, the Israeli government released a list of 20 hostages it said had died while being held captive by Hamas, including Shani Louk, a 23-year-old who attended the Supernova music festival.
Noa Argamani. Supplied to NBC News
In the days since, other names have been added to the list of those who have died in Gaza, including Alon Shamriz, Yotam Haim and Samer Talalka, who the IDF said were mistakenly killed by its own forces during their Gaza offensive.
With Argamani and Or absent from that list, their friends say they are still holding out hope for their safe return.
“This is very difficult,” Noa Stern, one of Aragamani’s friends, told NBC News. “Because you want to stay with hope.”
“But you don’t know anything.”
UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres has finally viewed the 47-minute footage of the October 7th attack that Israel has been screening:
UN chief attends private screening of IDF-compiled footage from October 7 onslaught( a )
Today, 9:53 pm
UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres (right) watches IDF-compiled footage of Hamas's October 7 onslaught on December 18, 2023. (Channel 12)
After considerable pressure from Israel, UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres yesterday watched the 47-minute IDF compilation of footage from Hamas’s October 7 onslaught. It was screened privately for him at the UN headquarters, Channel 12 reports.
Guterres had not attended previous screenings organized by Israeli officials at the UN, citing scheduling difficulties.
The footage, first screened for foreign journalists in Israel on October 23, includes harrowing scenes of murder, torture and decapitation from the Hamas slaughter in southern Israel, including raw videos from the terrorists’ bodycams.
In the dumpster fire that is New York City, protesters yelled at people leaving a fundraiser that was attended by the mother of Naama Levy, the 19-year-old last seen being dragged through Gaza by Hamas militants in bloody sweatpants, with zip-tied wrists, and a slashed achilles:
They also randomly go after Alec Baldwin, because why the hell not:
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"While it’s known Hamas terrorists took hostages during the attack, who took Argamani is less clear, according to text messages, phone records, satellite images and human sources, as well as an NBC News analysis of the sun’s position during her abduction. The information indicates that she may not have been seized by Hamas militants at all, and instead may have been taken by another group of men who followed trained Hamas fighters out of the blockaded Palestinian enclave into Israel."
I pray that she's been long dead.
I pray that she's been long dead.
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This thread is slow as fuck now. Nothing interesting is happening anymore. Calm down.
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Then it should remain dead until more news & info come out. This is not reason to shit up the thread with nonsense when we already have one set up for it.
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It's cool, we're soon gonna have the breaking news of the latest 3 dead IDF members and 5 Hizballah dudes, as well as the latest places in Gaza where one can admire menorahs and other Semitic symbols.
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So .....there is going to be no Gaza after this right? 2 million fucking rapefugees to Europe/north america when?
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They should have gone with "SHUT IT DOWN." It's fewer letters than "CEASE FIRE NOW" and would be cheaper to screen print.
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Roundup for Wed, Dec. 20, 2023
I've decided to start condensing my posts into one big daily update. This will hopefully be more efficient, especially considering the Total Retard War conditions KF is now operating under. To keep things organized, the general order will be north to south, with adaptation as needed. So Lebanon, West Bank, Gaza, Houthis, etc.
Syria
IDF strike near Damascus airport:
Lebanon
The IDF continues to strike Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. Moving east to west along the Blue Line:Shetulah
Hezbollah unsuccessfully attempted to shoot down Israeli attack helicopters.Ayta Ash-Shab
Blida
Markaba
Kafr Kila
Kafr Shuba
West Bank
No huge news today. Moving north to south:Jenin
Two innocent Palestinian children (ages 14 and 17) accidentally blew themselves up with an IED while riding on a scooter:
Their funeral:
Husan
A Palestinian was killed after attacking soldiers:
Hebron
Attempted car-ramming attack. The terrorist was eliminated:Gaza
After a few days of apparently dwindling airstrikes (American pressure?) and relatively heavy losses (related?), the IDF seems to be back to using its full force. As before, moving north to south:Jabalia
Blowing up Hamas commanders' houses:Airstrikes:
The aftermath:
Shujayya
The 749th combat engineering battalion (res.) blew up an entire neighborhood:Deir Al-Balah
Rafah
Heavy airstrikes in Rafah, especially near near the Kuwaiti hospital. Unfortunately they missed the Al-Jazeera crew reporting live at the time:
Yemen
No attacks on shipping today but the Houthis have announced a "general mobilization" and look to be having a lot of fun in any case:
Deaths
IDF
The IDF announced the deaths of two reservists in Gaza:
Hezbollah
Hezbollah announced the deaths of three of its members, bringing their total losses to 118:
Misc
Abu Ali Express ran a poll on his channel asking whether readers agreed with the statement of a TV commentator that Israel should have killed 100,000 Gazans in retribution immediately after 7/10:
The results:
- 49% agree
- 17% disagree and say 100,000 isn't enough
- 17% disagree and say Israel is acting appropriately
- 10% disagree and say Israel should do everything to avoid civilian casualties
- 7% expressed no opinion
Wholesome international Jewish capitalism supporting America's greatest ally:
Reservists leaving Shujayya:
The head of IDF Southern Command helps change a tank track:
Somewhere in Gaza:
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IDF impeccably rains death from above on a bunch of anti-Semitic terrorists:
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No safe place for sandniggers
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You know, for living in a supposed open-air prision, a lot of these dead hamas faggots are dressed and groomed exactly the same as the typical “Persian” man sitting in a hookah bar in Westwood.
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Noticed that too.
Made me quite angry at how the Western media is always portraying them as oppressed and poverty stricken. Probably paid by CAIR, Qatar, Al Jazeera and other sandniggie enterprises, very suspicious.
If you make the effort, just for a second, to ignore the blood, the rubble and collapsed buildings, and the explosions, Gaza is basically a Middle Eastern Las Vegas of sorts.
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It's a strange place. They even have gold-plated iPhones (imported from the UAE):
They like regular iPhones too. Here's the drop for the 15 Pro Max: