Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

She worked hard to get this golden opportunity to actually make an internet show that wasn't shit and could make it on "real" TV.

Ultimately, HH is dropping on Amazon Prime for streaming and I have to ask -- does that even count as "real TV"? Given the last 3+ years of filler/junk pushed onto the streaming platforms for the sake of content and/or tax write-offs, streaming content is current year's direct-to-video sequels but worse. It's possible when Vivz made the HH pilot, streaming still had an okay reputation but nowadays her wasting all this time (and burning bridges) just to get on Amazon Prime is terrible. The only positive I can think of is Vivz hoping randos on Prime with autoplay on stumble upon her show and get hooked (normally I'd say this is unlikely, but a lot of these frequent Netflix/Prime viewers are prime niggercattle).

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

You know, cursing works best when it's unexpected, there's a reason this is one of my favorite scenes from one of my favorite movies.

For context, Planes, Trains, and Automobiles is a movie where if you cut out this scene, it would have easily gotten a PG-13 rating so it's unexpected that suddenly we have character go on a tangent where he says 'fuck' in every sentence, especially since this happens a little over halfway through the movie, but it's also understandable because this dude has gone through so much bullshit in his simple quest to get back home in time for Thanksgiving that he has finally reached his breaking point after being dumped in an airport parking lot without the car he rented being there and being forced to track back to the terminal.

 

[AnOminous]

You know, cursing works best when it's unexpected, there's a reason this is one of my favorite scenes from one of my favorite movies.

Obscenity can be really good when well-done, even if it's "excessive." E.g. Deadwood, which had some of the best and most Shakespearean and most obscene dialogue in TV at the time. E.g. "I may have fucked my life up flatter than hammered shit, but I stand before you beholden to no human cocksucker."

 

[The Nothingness]

Since he is trending within the pop culture, I want to see Godzilla descend into the Hellaverse (yes, that's what it is called) and lay waste to it. This won't be the first time the Big G ended up in that realm.

 

[MalinformedSocialDetails]

he probably DID want to respond, but you just went "LALALALALA I'M SMART YOU'RE DUMB I'M BIG YOU'RE SMALL I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT"

He did.

 

[7 Grandad]

You know Helluva Boss kind of invalidates the premise when you think about it. If Charlie wants to save sinners from eternal torment, why not just send them back to Earth. Regular denizens of Hell have gone up there, and all they need is to disguise as humans. Its not like Heaven would interfere given how the humans in these series don't act any differently from the Demons.

Honestly it all just begs the question why the hell Helluva Boss isn’t the series that gets a full Tv series. It’s far better written, funnier, and actually revels in a delicious sense of dark humour. Honestly the whole redemption arc for sinners was a genuinely good idea until this trailer just made it seem like Charlie is just a spoiled brat trying to get back at Heaven through sheer spite rather than any real concern for redeeming éveil people.

And yeah if Demons can so easily disguise themselves as Loona has proven than they could just be sent to earth and given a fresh disguise and re-invent themselves. Maybe there are rules though that prevent demons being in earth for too much time or they ‘vanish’ or something? Has any lore ever been revealed about Stolas’s book about how Demons interacting with
the human world work?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

He did.

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>guy calls out the wonky animation in Hazbin
>Viv goes on a rant about how "PROFESSIONAL ANIMATION HARD GUYS!"
>Viv blocks user before he can rebut her
>"HE'S TOO AFRAID TO REPLY TO ME, LOL"

 

[AnOminous]

I'm beginning to sense an incoming cow arc here. I mean the seeds have always been there. I think if HH comes out and absolutely flops she'll go full cow.

 

[The Fair Lady]

Even Viv's supporters are calling her out for being chronically online now. She's undoubtedly getting more cow-like.

 

[Toasted Boat]

This is certified cow behavior. She got what she wanted, a show with voice actors she wanted and chose, a fanbase and followers for a head-start of producing it, and a possibility of success. This is every indie-animators dream come true, but instead of focusing on that, she's too busy fucking around and finding out. If she goes the apology route and dies down on her twitter posts (though, she would only do this to not lose her show), I could give her a pass for that. But, as we seen with people like this they never learn. And, it's only going to get worse from here if she doesn't stop with her bullshit.

 

[King Metalia]

Even Viv's supporters are calling her out for being chronically online now. She's undoubtedly getting more cow-like.

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This is just sad honestly. Viv is in obvious need of developing strategies to cope with people who piss her off without snapping at people.

 

[AnOminous]

This is certified cow behavior. She got what she wanted, a show with voice actors she wanted and chose, a fanbase and followers for a head-start of producing it, and a possibility of success.

And she had a great ensemble cast and apparently ruined it out of spite or jealousy. And yes I'm mad about her doing Kovach dirty.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

You can't blame people for complaining the animation looks cheap when it...well, does. At least, I haven't seen any show where part of the color of someone's hair dissappears and ends up on someone else's face:

Say what you want about the pilot and Helluva Boss, but at least the animation has passion behind it. Here, it just looks like they're doing the bare minimum. Which is expected for most animated shows. But you think with everyone, including the people who work on the show themselves, saying its carving a new path for adult animation, it would put its money where it's mouth is.

I still don't understand why Viv didn't just make this a web series. She already had the people AND money to work on it. But I guess she wouldn't have been able to get her "Broadway stars" if she kept it online. Even though half of them are just doing impressions of the pilot's VAs.

 

[Chilson]

I still don't understand why Viv didn't just make this a web series. She already had the people AND money to work on it. But I guess she wouldn't have been able to get her "Broadway stars" if she kept it online. Even though half of them are just doing impressions of the pilot's VAs.

Her getting such high profile VA's instead of keeping the ones she had, which would have been much easier and cheaper to work with, was probably one of the reasons this animation looks like cheap shit.

As we have said many times though, Viv is a slightly more talented Tumblr artist who got WAY over her own head and clearly doesn't understand how to make a show. I doubt even if she got more money and a competent animation studio it would have led to a better product because throwing more money at incompetent managers always leads to just more waste and problems rather than fixing the current issues.

 

[NSJAP]

Hey, do you remember one of the leaks mentioned that she really wanted people from Broadway? Was the mention of how she was fired via zoom included to that leak?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Hey, do you remember one of the leaks mentioned that she really wanted people from Broadway? Was the mention of how she was fired via zoom included to that leak?

Yep:

Grain of salt etc. etc. but big if true.
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[Gender: Xenomorph]

Her getting such high profile VA's instead of keeping the ones she had, which would have been much easier and cheaper to work with, was probably one of the reasons this animation looks like cheap shit.

As we have said many times though, Viv is a slightly more talented Tumblr artist who got WAY over her own head and clearly doesn't understand how to make a show. I doubt even if she got more money and a competent animation studio it would have led to a better product because throwing more money at incompetent managers always leads to just more waste and problems rather than fixing the current issues.

Pretty sure high-profile VAs was part of the deal when she got the Hulu deal.

Can't make a Hulu show without including the high profile VAs iirc, union or something.

I wonder what corners they had to cut to pay these high profile VAs their inflated rates.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Pretty sure high-profile VAs was part of the deal when she got the Hulu deal.

Can't make a Hulu show without including the high profile VAs iirc, union or something.

I wonder what corners they had to cut to pay these high profile VAs their inflated rates.

Outsourcing the animation to a cheaper studio? She did kind of admit it herself in one of her posts. When people say the show looks rigged when it's supposedly hand-drawn animation, that's not exactly a compliment.

Apparently, the VAs were paid the same amount as any union VA is paid, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was false. This wouldn't be the first time she lied. Like when she said that she couldn't get the Pilot's VAs back because they weren't part of the union.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Pretty sure high-profile VAs was part of the deal when she got the Hulu deal.

Can't make a Hulu show without including the high profile VAs iirc, union or something.

I wonder what corners they had to cut to pay these high profile VAs their inflated rates.

Hazbin's on Prime Video, not Hulu, but your point still stands

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Wokies finally noticed that Alastor uses real voodoo symbols as part of his magic. A cardinal sin, because cultural appropriation.

Spoiler: DAS OUR SHIET NIGGA REEEEEEE

The very same people Vivienne attracted eating her alive. Ya love to see it.