If God is real... - If an omniscient omnipotent benevolent God exists, why does he allow suffering?

[Whatevermancer]

Title.

 

[The Ugly One]

because it's funny

 

[Cats]

that's it i'm getting the spray bottle

Shiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet......

 

[TroonsDid911]

Because a god of everything would include all aspects of existence including the concept of evil. The Qlipphoth in the Jewish Kabbalah and some modern occult circles are essentially the "dark side of god". The concept of the devil and Satan was invented by Jews and Christians because they imagine god has to be as annoyingly benevolent and self-righteous as they are.

Daoist Natural Forces > Almighty Genocidal Hippie

 

[SpergioLeonne]

I can kinda relate to god on this one. Most people are fucking insufferable when they’re happy.

 

[I (Don't) Have A Gun]

I like how Muslims address this question: Shut up or we'll beat you.
Although a more detailed explanation would be that God is all powerful and does whatever he wants. Whatever God says is good is good, if God changes his mind then that thing is now good (for example Muslims use to pray towards Jerusalem because that was the best, then God decided they should pray towards Mecca because that was even bester than best). You don't question you just serve and obey.

It's an interesting notion which does bring up a foundational assumption which is often ignored in this question: what is good and evil? The question assumes that pain, disease, death and suffering is evil, but if we assume that God wants you to suffer and God is the ultimate authority of good and evil then that's how it is. Your suffering is good because God decreed it so, your personal opinions on the matter don't matter.

 

[William Afton]

If God is bad then why is there good in the world?

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

What did children with cancer do to deserve that?

So... God only managed to create a mediocre world, but we should still believe that he is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, because according to him, he is?

The biggest problem was the church deciding to overly focus on humanizing a non human entity. Idk if I believe in any god, but if one exists, think of it this way. It's an eldrich being that can be either benevolent or malevolent at any time, something to be feared and respected in understanding the power disparity.
It was so detached and unable to understand humans it had to literally create an avatar for itself to understand our simplicity, as well as what drives us.
In the bible, God literally has a character arc where he becomes less destructive and evil over time, but it's still something we cannot comprehend.
The simplist answer is this- humanity was a clock he created, there was a lot of interference while he tried to perfect and manipulate it. To fully understand how it worked, he took it apart over and over until he had it memorized, then finished it. Now, the clock is done. There's no need to mess with it. Anything that occurs naturally like cancers, human will like rapists or murderers, wars, etc. He has no part in it because he's no interacting with the clock anymore. When the clock needs to be rewound, have a piece replaced or fixed, we might see signs. But it could be a very long time before we see it happen, if ever.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

Did it not occur to you God is an asshole?

you're a muslim? lol

 

[theshitposter]

The reason for everyone's suffering is that they love God's this creation too much and are afraid to leave this world. This fear death, they fear the death of their kids, they fear the others will kill them to be the sole heir. Having death as the deadline, people make hasty decisions all the time. i should consume this, do that one last time, before my time comes. otherwise my name won't be one some proverbial highscore leaderboard.
Even when you convince someone to die for you as a pawn, you have to provide them the alternative of some eternal post life paradise BECAUSE THEY CAN'T JUST STOP LOVING TO EXIST.

The biggest problem was the church deciding to overly focus on humanizing a non human entity. Idk if I believe in any god, but if one exists, think of it this way. It's an eldrich being that can be either benevolent or malevolent at any time, something to be feared and respected in understanding the power disparity.
It was so detached and unable to understand humans it had to literally create an avatar for itself to understand our simplicity, as well as what drives us.
In the bible, God literally has a character arc where he becomes less destructive and evil over time, but it's still something we cannot comprehend.
The simplist answer is this- humanity was a clock he created, there was a lot of interference while he tried to perfect and manipulate it. To fully understand how it worked, he took it apart over and over until he had it memorized, then finished it. Now, the clock is done. There's no need to mess with it. Anything that occurs naturally like cancers, human will like rapists or murderers, wars, etc. He has no part in it because he's no interacting with the clock anymore. When the clock needs to be rewound, have a piece replaced or fixed, we might see signs. But it could be a very long time before we see it happen, if ever.

i love your inference
>rapists are God's perfect creations
>rape is an act of God

 

[The Tall Man]

If an omniscient omnipotent benevolent God exists, why does he allow suffering?​

He wouldn't since he is benevolent and capable of eliminating all suffering.

Yahweh, Elohim and Hashem; those desert gods aren't really benevolent.

The most benevolent deities I can think of are some Celtic ones, but they are more like magical powerful dudes that are beholden to nature.
Those omnipotent gods that are more powerful than reality itself are usually envious, spiteful and cruel.

 

[Whatevermancer]

Free will duh. We are created in God's image and God has free will so humans do too

That'd be a good argument if I was talking about evil, but I'm talking about suffering in general, including things beyond human control(disease, natural catastrophes, etc.)

I have no doubt that an omniscient omnipotent God would be able to create a world without suffering where people wouldn't die of boredom.

1: hes testing you and your faith
2: the flaws of humanity are due to our free will he gave us
3: satan runs earth and therefore allows suffering here

1: I think I already asked someone why couldn't an all-loving God create a way of testing our faith without subjecting us to suffering.
2: I'm talking about suffering, not evil.
3: Why would an omnibenevolent God create Satan?

It's an interesting notion which does bring up a foundational assumption which is often ignored in this question: what is good and evil? The question assumes that pain, disease, death and suffering is evil, but if we assume that God wants you to suffer and God is the ultimate authority of good and evil then that's how it is. Your suffering is good because God decreed it so, your personal opinions on the matter don't matter.

Good point. But then from there's no reason to call him all-loving, cause the human definition of this word doesn't apply to him.

If God is bad then why is there good in the world?

I'm not saying God is bad, I'm saying he doesn't exist is indifferent.

The reason for everyone's suffering is that they love God's this creation too much and are afraid to leave this world.

Are you implying that we don't have to suffer cause we can just kill ourselves? But doesn't God condemn suicide?
Or what if you're completely incapacitated and have to rely on others(e.g. your spinal cord is severed)?

 

[dick brain]

I have no doubt that an omniscient omnipotent God would be able to create a world without suffering where people wouldn't die of boredom.

If you're philosophy minded, read Schopenhaur; if you're science minded, read The Comfort Crisis. I'm not going to recite them for you, they're out there if you actually want to think seriously about this.