Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

From what I've heard, it's absolute dogshit. Proprietary caliber that's totally for "defeating body armor" that American Civilians use that fails at that task, major malfunctions after only 1,000 rounds or so, it's long and heavy as shit, and the list goes on. It's like the AR-15 and AR-10 hate-fucked, then had a retarded baby.

It fails at being a "modern" battle rifle, it fails at being a new assault rifle, it's objectively inferior to the M16/M4, it can't reach out at ranges that purpose-built DMRs/SPRs can...but goddammit, they finally replaced* the M16/M4, so it's good!







*up until a real war breaks out, then everyone BUT the Marines will magically revert back to a 5.56x45mm rifle. The Marines will keep it, along with MARPAT, and swear up and down they're the bestest infantry ever even when they're all talk, no action, and their retarded egos cause their casualties to skyrocket.
The USMC uses 5.56mm "M-27 IARs" aka H&K 416s that they got absolutely fucked on unit cost by H&K. Like every other 416 buyer.

The Army is pushing the XM7 but even then they only want ~100,000 or so for Rangers, 82nd and 101st and similar.

Even then, the XM7 is fat bloated pig that requires a suppressor to be controllable and was only made to satisfy the whims of that idiot Mark Milley who bought some bullshit about Russian and Chinese troops all getting Level 4 body armor.
I seen "proprietary caliber" knew it was going to be shit, proprietary caliber suck shit in every circumstance especially for infantry armaments.
All calibers start life as proprietary. It just has to do it's job better than an existing one to be worth it and 6.8x51mm doesn't seem to be worth it. A reasonable 5.56mm replacement probably exists in the 5.6-6.5mm caliber somewhere but it would be a relatively small improvement.
 
All calibers start life as proprietary. It just has to do it's job better than an existing one to be worth it and 6.8x51mm doesn't seem to be worth it. A reasonable 5.56mm replacement probably exists in the 5.6-6.5mm caliber somewhere but it would be a relatively small improvement.
America has this bizarre distrust of anything smaller than .30, I'm surprised we tolerate 5.56. If I recall correctly, the military's competitive shooting team uses their own 6mm and have used 6.5mm, both of which seem fine if you want more accuracy over range, because sectional density and ballistic coefficiencies. You'd be more likely to sell them on .300 Win Mag, because .30-06 just isn't long enough.

On the other hand, if you put it in a modernized BAR, you could probably sell the Marines anything.
 
The Eternal Anglo is at it again.

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Richard here has gone through quite a journey of discovery

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I think they could kill us all right now, and they are choosing not to. Somehow I doubt our leaders in the U.S would have that restraint.
They are definitely showing restraint. 2019 I think there were ~4000 automobile deaths in Uke. 2023 there have been ~2000 civilians killed.

It is almost like they are thinking that after the war ends they need to be able to make friends again.

Compare this with how the US handled Fallujah.
 
Pappa Putler must have watched the Untouchables recently

"They pull a knife? You pull a gun! They sink a shitty container ship? You flatten their cities!"

LOL get fucked you pig Ukes

America has this bizarre distrust of anything smaller than .30, I'm surprised we tolerate 5.56. If I recall correctly, the military's competitive shooting team uses their own 6mm and have used 6.5mm, both of which seem fine if you want more accuracy over range, because sectional density and ballistic coefficiencies. You'd be more likely to sell them on .300 Win Mag, because .30-06 just isn't long enough.

On the other hand, if you put it in a modernized BAR, you could probably sell the Marines anything.
I grew up shooting 5.56, I shot 5.56 in the Army, but now I own twice the amount of AKs than I do ARs just because I prefer 7.62x39 (8/4), plus a bolt ranch rifle in x39. I'm that guy.
 
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I’m personally partial to .22LR, since that’s what my pistol uses, but I’m not sure that would be a great bullet for the army.
This is absolutely horrifying. Actual Volkssturm-tier behaviour. This poor guy probably has no idea what’s going on, and there is no way he could contribute to his side in a battle. He’s obviously only there to pad out a recruiter’s quota. It’s inhuman to send him to war.
 
They are definitely showing restraint. 2019 I think there were ~4000 automobile deaths in Uke. 2023 there have been ~2000 civilians killed.

It is almost like they are thinking that after the war ends they need to be able to make friends again.

Compare this with how the US handled Fallujah.
Nah the numbers are different, it was discussed ITT a few days ago so I went to look it up but I forgot to post it here.

The pedophiles at the UN are claiming "at least" 10000 dead Ukrainian civilians since the start of the war (article is from late November, so it's over the course of 21 months): https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143852
Ukraine claims 4487 road fatalities in 2020 (the most recent data I could find easily): https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/ukraine-road-traffic-accidents

So, even based on non-Russian sources, with likely severe anti-Russian bias, civilian casualties in the so-called genocide that the lib media keep screeching about are... slightly higher than normal peacetime Ukrainian traffic. I don't know about you but I am outraged and horrified.
 
Nah the numbers are different, it was discussed ITT a few days ago so I went to look it up but I forgot to post it here.

The pedophiles at the UN are claiming "at least" 10000 dead Ukrainian civilians since the start of the war (article is from late November, so it's over the course of 21 months): https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143852
Ukraine claims 4487 road fatalities in 2020 (the most recent data I could find easily): https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/ukraine-road-traffic-accidents

So, even based on non-Russian sources, with likely severe anti-Russian bias, civilian casualties in the so-called genocide that the lib media keep screeching about are... slightly higher than normal peacetime Ukrainian traffic. I don't know about you but I am outraged and horrified.
The bottom line is Putin owes a debt to Netanyahu for demonstrating what real indiscriminate killing looks like - it's not subjective any more. Kiev could've looked like Gaza 18 months ago if Putin had wanted that.
 
The bottom line is Putin owes a debt to Netanyahu for demonstrating what real indiscriminate killing looks like - it's not subjective any more. Kiev could've looked like Gaza 18 months ago if Putin had wanted that.
No argument there - Putler should get a Nobel for medicine for curing the Coof, and Netanyahu needs a Nobel for peace for ending the Ukraine war. I just like to have accurate (-ish) numbers if possible.
 
How honest do Russians rate their news companies and schools? I'm unders the impression that due to very painful lessons learned from the USSR the country places very high importance on journalistic integrity, even on unfortunate details.
from what I've learned working with and talking with slavs:
they know it's all bullshit, even if it is or isn't, they know it's all bullshit
they like the truth, prize the truth, yearn for the truth
the truth is not available unfortunately
 
How honest do Russians rate their news companies and schools? I'm unders the impression that due to very painful lessons learned from the USSR the country places very high importance on journalistic integrity, even on unfortunate details.

Soviet education was top notch. It was despite populaire western believe very general purpose (And not specialized which partially what hurt it in term's of chip manufacturing) but it was top notch. Russian education from what i hear is a fucking joke.

how good it was ? Well I had 3 years of schooling in Soviet times. As a kid you're braine is a sponge and they made sure from the first year school you knew you're math, etc. And you where taught like an adult. When i moved with my mother back to her home country, the Netherlands. For two years here at school the only lessons i was required to follow was history and Dutch language lessons. Most of my school time for two years was basically playing computer games at school on a school computer. As i pretty much leaps and bounds a head of most children my age and classes above. In fact school here made me hate school. a lot. As it was long and after few months became boring waste of time.

And by the way. I'm not some genius or anything like that. Only in during general secondary school years ( 14 year old and up) Did I really start to follow all the classes. And stuff like algebra was taught. Something that was taught already there in my 3rd year.


Journalism is a bad word in Russia and not at all well regarded even less so then during the Soviet times. Basically some of the western folk are starting to learn or have learned what most Russians already knew about journalism. Be it their own domestic or foreign.

Heck, i can write a whole wall of text in how Russian liberal Journalist actually helped to keep Putin in power. especially Anna Politkovskaya. which Putin supposed to have had murdered. Never mind she was so hated everybody voted for Putin just to spite that fucking twat. Something that he was well Aware of.

Anyway



Spydell has published data on Russian wages. That is also accounting for inflation. Anyway, if i'm reading it right from January to October 2023 there is a growth of 8.4% in wages. For example the growth during 2021 is 7.8% and 2014, it was 21.6%.

This is partially direct result of deficit of workforce and the crazily low unemployment. See here.


It also shows something interesting. The graphs published by spydell showcases. How much effect post-February 2022 sanctions had on wages compared to the much milder post-2014 sanctions. And it's yet again shows how utterly ineffective the current sanctions on Russia are compared to what the west was hoping for.
 
from what I've learned working with and talking with slavs:
they know it's all bullshit, even if it is or isn't, they know it's all bullshit
they like the truth, prize the truth, yearn for the truth
the truth is not available unfortunately
Does it seem that government people do their own truth validation, to ensure that decision makers don't fall for their own lies?
 
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