Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Shallow Wave]

Does it seem that government people do their own truth validation, to ensure that decision makers don't fall for their own lies?

Depends, cause local goverment here is well versed in news and real situation in country from what i've seen, and then you have a select few from kremlin, especially Milonov, who breathe their own farts so hard theres a hose between their nose and their anus and are only there because their shitty ideas make better news and distract from actual proposed laws that might be controversial. Rarely works, but you know.

google " В госдуме предложили" for examples

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Hohol gratitude: British combat medic (lol) Katherine Mielniczuk may have been murdered for speaking out about hohols stealing everything, even the salaries, of dead foreign mercs.



Link to Kit Klarsenberg's X post

We knew this to be the case months ago when hruks stiffed their Colombian mercs even when they weren't KIA (Kathy probably screeched that was ruZZian ork lies and propaganda until she learned the painful truth).


Its this girl from a few pages back:

It's also possible hohols may have raped and murdered her or pro-Russians may have targeted her. I'm not saying that is what happened, just that it is a possibility. Gives me the same vibes as the Scandinavian backpackers in Morocco that were beheaded.



Before you feel sorry for her keep in mind she joined the TrackANaziMerc TG chat to boast she was a proud Polish-Bong lesbian killing Russians when not applying Band-Aids. Clearly she wasn't firing on all cylinders if maintaining basic OPSEC during a fucking war was difficult for her.




Link to TrackANaziMerc TG post

 

[CarlosDanger]

Total Retard War? Is that in bad taste? This shit is just sad. We are all going to Hell regardless for allowing these horrors to unfold!

Good to see Ukraine finally sent their special forces.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

Total Retard War? Is that in bad taste? This shit is just sad. We are all going to Hell regardless for allowing these horrors to unfold!

"And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet." Do not despair for your salvation cause of the foolish actions of others, much of what has unfolded none of us on the farms could have prevented. I'm sure many of us have attempted to speakup only to be mocked and spit on by our peers. The people responsible for this are higher up on the food chain than us but they, and they alone, will have to answer for the death and blood they've brought on the world.

This idea that Russian elections are blatantly rigged and nobody cares is just western propaganda. Our elections have better integrity than just about all of yours. Putin just has garbage opponents. He might need to cheat one day, if the liberal opposition can scrounge up someone who isn’t a blatantly criminal piece of shit, or the communists can find someone who isn’t on the United Russia payroll. But until he gets a decent opponent, he has no need to cheat. He’s literally the only viable option.

After 2020 any complaints about russian democracy from me and my fellow mutts are null and void. We're all oligarchic banana republics now at best.

 

[MrJokerRager]

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[TrainWreckWatcher]

Total Retard War? Is that in bad taste? This shit is just sad. We are all going to Hell regardless for allowing these horrors to unfold!

When God turned Sodom and Gomorrah to salt the only one punished was Lot's wife who looked back.
If you've lived good by others and they ignored you're warnings, just don't be tempted by their ilk and you'll be fine.

 

[make_it_so]

Good to see Ukraine finally sent their special forces.

Very Special Forces.

 

[Shallow Wave]

This idea that Russian elections are blatantly rigged and nobody cares is just western propaganda.

okay lets not give Russian government too much credit, there is a reason 146% is a meme

 

[Male Idiot]

I had read a few months ago here that the Kinzhal had like 8 or 12 flares/decoys up its rear.

Makes sense. Kinzhal is likely costly without even MIC pricing, and flares less so.

 

[Susanna]

okay lets not give Russian government too much credit, there is a reason 146% is a meme

Foreign observers consistently report only minor issues with Russian elections (such as low turnout, which basically every country struggles with). They then return home to the Netherlands or Sweden or whatever, report major issues with those elections, and no newspapers publish it because that would be rocking the boat and would make the country look bad in front of the EU.
Putin does much wrong, but he wins elections legitimately. The west might even be able to install a puppet president if they only cared to find someone less vile than Navalny to support. Of course in that situation most Russians would support election interference, since we know full well what our experience under a western puppet will be like (see Yeltsin).

After 2020 any complaints about russian democracy from me and my fellow mutts are null and void. We're all oligarchic banana republics now at best.

Russia running the most feeble campaign ads ever for the US president candidate running on a platform of “let’s not start a war this time” against the “let’s start a war with Russia to distract from how big a bitch I am” candidate is election interference and we must be made to pay (preferably with a war to oust our democratically elected president in favour of a yank puppet), but USA outright installing crime lords as dictators and puppet presidentes is just rules-based international order. I wouldn’t hate westerners nearly so much if you’d just drop the hypocrisy and admit that you’re scum.

 

[Betonhaus]

Foreign observers consistently report only minor issues with Russian elections (such as low turnout, which basically every country struggles with). They then return home to the Netherlands or Sweden or whatever, report major issues with those elections, and no newspapers publish it because that would be rocking the boat and would make the country look bad in front of the EU.

Why is low turnout considered a bad thing? I really don't understand it.

Low turnout just means that only those with a vested interest in politics are voting, and are presumably making an informed decision.
If you demand that everyone votes, you get people who genuinely don't know the first thing about current politics voting. Those people end up voting for the guy with the most interesting soundbytes even if he would bring the country to ruin.

If anything, low turnout is a good thing as it means that people happy with things as they are - or people who really don't pay attention to politics - will be abstaining.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

I could have fixed her...

 

[Susanna]

Why is low turnout considered a bad thing? I really don't understand it.

Low turnout just means that only those with a vested interest in politics are voting, and are presumably making an informed decision.
If you demand that everyone votes, you get people who genuinely don't know the first thing about current politics voting. Those people end up voting for the guy with the most interesting soundbytes even if he would bring the country to ruin.

If anything, low turnout is a good thing as it means that people happy with things as they are - or people who really don't pay attention to politics - will be abstaining.

Because in a democracy you want to account for the opinions of the uneducated and moronic also. The idea is that if only those who know what they're doing are allowed power, you will develop a technocracy, which turns into a political class, which turns into aristocracy. Would you like it if only politicians were allowed to vote? Letting everyone in, even if they don't know what they're doing, is key to representation.

Athenian democracy worked best when the leaders were selected not just by election, but at random. The conclusion to draw from this is that it's a moronic system, and that the ideal mode of governance is a form of dictatorship where a good dictator will select a good heir from outside his own family, as was the Roman way for a little while. Of course none of these good dictators actually wanted to select an heir from outside the family, circumstance simply forced them to, so for governance to be ideal you also need a lot of luck, or a secret order of assassins to regularly murder the royal family before the government turns into a hereditary monarchy. In the end it's all for naught, so we might as well try democracy, the ideal form of which is workers' soviets electing upward in a sort of staircase of soviets until you get a supreme soviet presided over by an AI trained to perfectly mimic the thoughts and personality of Stalin, the undisputed best ruler in all of history.

 

[Betonhaus]

Because in a democracy you want to account for the opinions of the uneducated and moronic also. The idea is that if only those who know what they're doing are allowed power, you will develop a technocracy, which turns into a political class, which turns into aristocracy. Would you like it if only politicians were allowed to vote? Letting everyone in, even if they don't know what they're doing, is key to representation.

I'm not saying take away the right to vote - in fact let anyone vote. Just don't push them to vote and shame them if they don't want to. Just have only the people who really want to vote do the voting, and maybe require them to do some research first. Don't force everyone to vote, or they will vote for the guy that promises free Soylent Green to everyone.

 

[Shallow Wave]

Putin does much wrong, but he wins elections legitimately

Again, lets not give much credit. Social workers like teachers and doctors, goverment workers and army are either told or forced to vote for certain parties.

 

[Meh123]

I'm not saying take away the right to vote - in fact let anyone vote. Just don't push them to vote and shame them if they don't want to. Just have only the people who really want to vote do the voting, and maybe require them to do some research first. Don't force everyone to vote, or they will vote for the guy that promises free Soylent Green to everyone.

The problem with this system is that the least intelligent and informed people are the most vocal about their opinions (politics included), and also there are a lot more of them than intelligent and involved people - no small thanks to Idiocracy.
What you get with this is a circus of demagogues trying to convince the unwashed masses.

 

[Corn Syrup Connoisseur]

Can we stop sperging about democracy before we get a third mass debate split in two weeks?

In other news sanctions are working:

https://archive.ph/rwvFT

Meanwhile in Eurozone:

Anything below 50 is negative.

 

[Napoleon III]

Today, the Russian Armed Forces launched a coordinated strike against enemy targets in the so-called rear regions of Ukraine.

Several dozen explosions were reported in various areas of Kharkov. Local authorities have stated that industrial plants, warehouses, and a tram depot, which has been targeted multiple times before, sustained damage.

Interesting if the targets are correct it doesn't look like any of the targets were the power grid. That makes me think this was a one off thing as revenge for the strike on that ship in Crimea.

It would be a strategic boon to destroy the Ukrainian Power Grid especially during winter. Doing so makes transporting troops and supplies much more difficult if the subways can't be powered. For this reason the one the first things NATO did in the Yugoslavia wars was to strike the power grid.

I still don't know if this is strategy is just a rumor. But it makes sense to want to destroy the Ukrainian Power Grid and it would explain why Russia Air Forces haven't conducted strikes up until this point. I still think Russia will go for it eventually though.

 

[Rubick]

So, the Ukrainian mobilization bill hasn't passed yet. But on RuNET Ukrainians been already complaining that border guards have blocked their countryman with group 3 disabilities and those accompanying such people with disabilities from leaving.


Jesus, christ, If this happens.

Edit

In other news Russia's cruise missiles can fire their own decoy flares to defeat AD. I'm pretty sure this has never been seen before (or even known).

Western sources long ago erroneously wrote that 3M45 Granit was able to deploy decoys. That however was not true. No Russian publication ever supported that claim and neither do my own sources.

But the planned successor to 3M45 Granit. The 3M15 Bolide however would have had such capability. And maybe under the first upgrade proposals of exiting Granit's under R&D "Granit-M would have also. (But not likely)

But all said programs died with SU.


On a side note besides launching decoy's The Bolide would have also have had some of the features of the 3M25 "Grom" AKA 3K25 "Meteorite. And that was detecting of radar emission and staying the fuck out of the radar envelope during the midway course if the range to go the target proximate vicinity allowed. (This future was also later on supposed/planned to have gone into Kalibr, Onyx and kh-35 upgrade blocks.)

 

[moocow]

how good it was ? Well I had 3 years of schooling in Soviet times. As a kid you're braine is a sponge and they made sure from the first year school you knew you're math

>how good it was ?
>braine
>you're math
I'm sure they didn't bother much with English but c'mon, man.