2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

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The history of Israel is full of stories of spies and foreign nations telling Israelis "hey, the Arabs are about to attack you right now!" and Israel ignoring them. Read up on the Yom Kippur War for another example. They beat up the Arabs, get complacent, the Arabs attack again, they beat them... it's like a generational curse.

Now, I like a good conspiracy theory and all, but let's see, according to this one:

Israel planned and/or allowed 10/7 to happen so that they could fuck up their economy, waste resources, damage or destroy normalization deals with Arab nations, kill a bunch of fighting-age men, lose international support, endanger the lives of all their civilians due to reprisal attacks, all with the aim of .... gaining a sliver of highly polluted land with a fucked-up water table and a beach so polluted with sewage that it kills people? Obtaining responsibility for millions of civilian refugees that no other country will take because they have a reputation for starting wars?

Come on, that is retard-level shit. If Jews were going to scheme something so hideously costly with the aim of seizing land, they'd choose East Jerusalem, or any place that's not universally agreed to be a shithole.
 
I've said this was the case from the very first day of the thread.
Gaza was always a thorn in Israel's side. Ethnically cleansing it makes pragmatic political sense; 1200-1500 Jewish lives to pay for new territory and removal of hostile Arabs is a tiny price.
People have went on and on in this thread about how "oy vey such an IDF and Shin Bet mistake oy vey Israel is no longer protecting Jews properly oy vey Netanyahu's controversial leadership has demoralized and split society and the IDF", while I always said that actually, no, IDF is still one of the most capable armies and best equipped, and that nothing moves in Gaza without the intelligence services knowing it.
All was tolerated and planned, a cynical, pragmatic move.
As a bonus, Bibi can ignore his corruption scandals and protests/controversies, and just unify the country based on common enemy.
 
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I have a friend who supports Palestine and wrote a letter to our PM to call for a ceasefire. She also is boycotting companies like Walmart, etc if they support the IDF. My question is why the heck are companies giving money to a country? This doesn't make sense to me. Isn't weapons/military funded by taxpayers?

It doesn't make sense because it's not happening. "Companies" are not giving money to "countries". Your friend is a little silly. All it takes for a cease-fire is for Hamas to surrender. Does your friend support raping children as a legitimate war method, as Hamas did?

Walmart (source?) may have stated that they support Israel but I doubt they actually wired money - to whom?

btw not you but some of the above more lunatic conspiracy theories should also add that 7 Oct was Putin's birthday.

the one above who wrote that Christians could live ok in Gaza and it's Jews that want to expel everyone has obviously never been in Israel.

Note that even the Nazis tried to erase evidence of their atrocities - camps were secret, bodies were burnt, no news were published in Germany. They could sense that there is something wrong in killing children etc. Hamas instead are proud.

It's sad that children die in Gaza. It's sad that the "Ministry of Health" of Hamas allows its hospitals to be used by the military as bases. The children in Gaza, incidentally, are brain-washed from school into "killing Jews is nice". They are making bombs at 12.

Why can't the Red Cross have access to the hostages?

Ask your ceasefire friend to be practical. OK, ceasefire tomorrow np. Then what? We wait for the next rockets?
 
I have a friend who supports Palestine and wrote a letter to our PM to call for a ceasefire. She also is boycotting companies like Walmart, etc if they support the IDF. My question is why the heck are companies giving money to a country? This doesn't make sense to me. Isn't weapons/military funded by taxpayers?
Unless I'm exceptionally misinformed, none of these companies are giving money to Israel (Or Palestine, for that matter). They're just waving flags and making PR statements on social media because they think it'll make consoomers use their retail outlets over other retail outlets, because "they want to support the good guys", whoever those might be for a given person. Maybe a few of them have thrown together care packages for Israeli troops - Like junk food and socks, about as far from war material as you can get.

The reason it doesn't make sense to you is because their actions don't make sense. Its armchair activism, people are so conditioned to thinking that they can change the world into their desired image by complaining to companies and politicians, because "Its worked in the past" (Hint - It hasn't worked for any external issue in any country ever, period) and its easier than actual doing something about the issue they claim to care about.

And that is all by design, for the record - most of these people genuinely don't give a shit about the issue, and are just waving flags and virtue signaling online for the social media clout and acceptance in a peer group, not from any desire to see a real change. The only foreign entities managing that are the people attacking Jews and Palestinians in unaffiliated countries. Its a stupid thing for them to do, but they're living up to their ideals. They want to see Jews/Palestinians killed, and they went out to make it happen. Better than the wine drunk twitter cat moms managed.
 
120 relatives? What, were they all in the same building?

I keep seeing that word, relatives, used by a lot of Palestinian advocates. Do they mean direct familial relations or some nebulous inflation of the term so that anyone killed can be claimed to be a relative?
 
120 relatives? What, were they all in the same building?

I keep seeing that word, relatives, used by a lot of Palestinian advocates. Do they mean direct familial relations or some nebulous inflation of the term so that anyone killed can be claimed to be a relative?

I'd guess that they're treating it loosely. In-laws and distant cousins.

After generations of the average woman having 6+ kids the average person will have a lot of second and third cousins.
 
I'd guess that they're treating it loosely. In-laws and distant cousins.

After generations of the average woman having 6+ kids the average person will have a lot of second and third cousins.
Almost 45% of Palestinian marriages back in 1997 were between blood relatives (22% between 1st cousins). Lord only knows how high the percentage is now 25 years later with those people's offspring marrying. The population has exploded since then too.


I've read persuasive studies that much of the violent and aggressive nature of Islamists and Arabs can be attributed to their inbreeding traditions. Substantially lower IQ's also.
 
I've read persuasive studies that much of the violent and aggressive nature of Islamists and Arabs can be attributed to their inbreeding traditions.
I have seen similar theories, but add in the rape factor and lack of women's rights.

Most groups, naturally, over time, tend to become whiter - this isn't a white supremacist perspective, it's a sexual one. Broadly, with very few exceptions, pale clear skin, colourful eyes and hair and low body hair is considered more attractive.

Women, who tend to be a lot more selective, are more likely to get impregnated by someone they find more attractive (while for men, this is less pronounced)

So, coloured hair and coloured eyes are actually younger than some civilisations - blonde humans flat-out didn't exist during very early civilisation.

Arabs, although genetically very similar to all other groups across Europe, the Middle East and North Africa, lack these markers. Jews, Kurds, Armenians, Copts, Greeks and all, despite living in a similar climate, have far more diversity in those markers.

In short, there is a loooot of rape and incest among Arabs, and it shows.
 

Israeli indicted for impersonating soldier, stealing weapons​

JERUSALEM, Dec 31 (Reuters) - Israeli prosecutors filed criminal charges on Sunday against a man accused of impersonating a soldier to join the Gaza war, of stealing munitions and, according to media, of posing for a frontline picture with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Israel was blindsided by an Oct. 7 cross-border rampage by Hamas militants, with security forces often organising themselves spontaneously in the field to repel the infiltrators and mount a counter-offensive.


According to the indictment brought in Tel Aviv District Court, defendant Roi Yifrah never served in the Israeli military but nonetheless managed to make his way into the war zones by pretending to be a member of an elite Shin Bet combat unit.

Shin Bet is Israel's domestic intelligence agency.

The top-rated Channel 12 TV aired a photograph of what it said was the 35-year-old, in full battle gear, posing with other soldiers alongside Netanyahu at a helicopter landing site.


An Israeli official confirmed that Yifrah had posed with Netanyahu, but said the prime minister was never at risk due to “several layers of security at the site”.

The Prime Minister's Office did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

The ruse "facilitated (Yifrah's) access to firearms, ammunition and military and police equipment," the indictment said, adding that a purloined haul found in Yifrah's home included an assault rifle, various kinds of bullets, smoke grenades and holsters.


The five counts against him, including aggravated fraud and larceny, could amount to a maximum prison sentence of 36 years. But Yifrah's lawyer argued that the defendant should be lauded.

"My client is a medic who ... saved lives under fire, while risking his life and eliminating terrorists," the lawyer, Eitan Sabag, told Channel 12, adding that "the defendant, under the circumstances, is the State of Israel - not Roi Yifrah".

Why tho
 
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