Are Viruses Real?

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@Aether Witch

There's always been a lot of fear propaganda, I realized most things being called "COVID" were just a variety of different illnesses, even before I was acquainted with the no-virus theory. People dying from car accidents were being labelled "coof deaths", and so were many others who died of completely unrelated causes. James Corbett did a pretty good analysis of this, explaining how ridiculous the numbers were.
https://www.corbettreport.com/lies-damned-lies-and-coronavirus-infection-numbers-propagandawatch/
I experienced some of this first hand, in the country I live in. Some local TV station was saying that the number of coof positives in that region was X, the only problem was that X was a far higher number than the number of people living in that specific region.

Also, it's extremely hard to say what was causing an umbrella illness like the coof, the same as with AIDS, having hundreds of shared symptoms with every illness under the Sun, and nothing specific, makes it extremely easy to amp up the number of "positives", diarrhoea would be a "symptom" of the supposed illness, and I guess falling from the 7th storey of a building would be another. Like I said in a previous comment, though, we have no obligation to provide any alternative explanation as to what is causing anything. If you say that you got sick because of InvisibleBoogeyman1, the onus is on you to prove that InvisibleBoogeyman1 exists. And so far, it seems like no institution can provide evidence of InvisibleBoogeyman1.
https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/68-...s-cov-2-purification-by-anyone-anywhere-ever/

But you do have an obligation to explain what causes illnesses when you say the conventional explanation is 100% not true. What, then, is the explanation?

First of all, people get sick due to all kinds of different factors, all the time. You're assuming that we're claiming that some kind of poison suddenly caused a great uptick in symptoms (which in a sense, generalizing, most illnesses are the result of the body cleansing from toxic stuff, whether it's stress or physical substances), but as I mentioned above, there wasn't a great pandemic of any kind, there was a pandemic of PCR testing, though, as explained by Claus Köhnlein.
https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/pcr-pandemic-interview-with-virus-mania:9

There was a large increase in illness and deaths around the world in 2020 compared to 2019. What caused it?

Again, just because there's a lack of evidence of viruses existing doesn't mean that we have to prove anything. Those defending the virus theory are the ones who should provide proof that these imaginary particles are responsible for illness. That being said, terrain theory does a much better job of explaining illness (in my opinion) than germ theory. To me it makes a lot of sense that the body gets "ill" in the sense that it's cleansing itself. In the case of what we refer to as the common cold an the flu, this is pretty obvious. The way most people eat, think and live right now isn't exactly healthy. The body at certain points needs to flush out all the toxic crap people put into it, and the flu and the cold are just mechanisms that facilitate the flushing. The fact that most people just use drugs to cancel out the process is counterintuitive, you're initerrupting the body's natural healing crisis, so you can start going to your 9 to 5 and feed it crap again ASAP.

So... it isn't poisons... it's "toxic" substances. What is the difference between a poison and a toxin? You're arguing semantics here, again I am asking what it is that is causing these illnesses. What explains the severe difference in illness and deaths in 2019 and 2020? Should not such occurrences not show such wild variation, considering that "the way most people eat, think, and live right now" has been largely unchanged for decades? Should not life expectancy have been higher in the time before the introduction of all these "toxic" substances to the human body, most of which did not exist before World War II? Why was life expectancy in 1920 in the United States in the mid-50s, and in 2019 almost 80? What "toxic" substances caused the Spanish influenza pandemic of 1918-1920?

Your argument that viruses do not exist because detection methods that introduce foreign molecules are a scam is simply an assertion. Detecting viruses by labeling samples existed far before humanity had the ability to produce nanostructures matching the size of viruses. Producing these nanostructures also requires intricate technological processes that a medical lab with the capability to detect viruses simply does not have. Introducing a chemical dye into a sample does not create the vastly different structures of various virus particles. How are these false detections constructed? Are electron microscopes actually graphical machines of a level of advancement not matched by other graphical technologies for several decades after the introduction of said microscope?

Here's an image of bacteria taken by an electron microscope in the 1960s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_microscope#/media/File:Bacillus_subtilis_image.jpg

No other machine in the world could produce such an image out of whole cloth until at least 20 years later. It would take the human hand to do it. Yet, humans were not drawing the images produced by the electron microscope. Unless an unbelievably large number of human artists of great talent were working full-time to produce such images and then others were working to distribute them to medical laboratories around the world, with the number of images needed increasing substantially every year. There is, of course, no evidence for this

If we are to believe that detection methods requiring the introduction of foreign substances to samples means that the images are fabrications, we have a reasonable expectation that you can explain how the process fabricates the images. Not simple assertions that it does

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Truly fascinating shit, I'm dipping in and I don't fucking care what has been previously written

I'll go through pages 1 and 2 today.

If you really don't believe viruses exist, go to San Francisco and attend a bugchasing party and enjoy your AIDS, syphilis, and monkeypox

We didn't get a satisfying response to this zinger.

People have gotten sick from things I don't understand, so let's invent an imaginary boogeyman to blame it on. Sounds perfectly reasonable, logical and scientific.

Let's talk science, you're positing that if:

Fuck 8, 8 is just a fantasy we've came up with just to justify 2x+5 = 21. There are many other possibilities for this to be true that do not include X=8, such as 7(5-2).

8 is God in the gaps.

I can claim that rain comes from invisible winged elephants peeing from the sky, but until I'm able to prove it, it's nothing more than a fantasy

But rain is a more simple, plausible explanation. The existence of a virus and its described life cycle as well as the numerous conditions caused by them is more plausible than "Dunno, bro, fucker probably did drugs or something"

Also, many of the illnesses that are claimed to have unknown causes (and therefore attributed to vIrUs) are easily traced to environmental, lifestyle or other causes

So, if virus don't exist:

- What caused TB? Shit was damn serious, why didn't all those Victorian ladies just sleep and rest and drink plenty of water?
- What causes Malaria?
- What caused Smalllpox, and how come a massive worldwide vaccination wiped it out and now it's restricted to secret labs in Russia and the US?
- What causes the yearly flu in the winter (That strangely was renamed as COVID for a couple of years) that kills some oldfags each year?
- What causes measles on kids and why, if not had it as a kid, can dry your balls as an adult?

It's just a lot more convenient to blame it on a virus so that you can then sell people vaccines and other drugs

If it's all a hoax to sell medicines, why did they manage to reduce or eradicate some virus and failed to with others? Why not a vaccine for every virus? What's stopping them to shit out an HIV Vaccine just like they seemingly have made up the virus?

i believe that a french faggot inserting shit particles and chunks of rotting spinal cord from animals that died of rabies into the skulls of healthy dogs to prove that rabies is caused by a virus he failed to ever isolate is retarded as fuck

Quite a radical example but, if there is no presence of bacteria to be found, then why are vectors even a thing?

Sharing needles should be completely safe provided bacteria is eliminated (Actually it wouldn't, but for reasons that are not relevant to this thought experiment)

 

[I'm Retarded?]

holy garbage fire what a horrifying thread. OP, I'm not gonna take a side in this argument, but whether you're correct or not, it really sounds like you've overdosed on redpills and you need to spend more time outside talking to people. also, for the love of christ, can we stop accusing each other of being glowniggers just because we're in dispute over some ridiculously niche and arcane topic. maybe I'm being optimistic but I'm guessing the actual glowies focus their disinfo campaigns on shit like Twitter and Facebook, you know, social media platforms that are actually used by large numbers of people, rather than some gay forum populated by a comparatively miniscule number of schizo brokebrains.

 

[Tablet County]

holy garbage fire what a horrifying thread. OP, I'm not gonna take a side in this argument, but whether you're correct or not, it really sounds like you've overdosed on redpills and you need to spend more time outside talking to people. also, for the love of christ, can we stop accusing each other of being glowniggers just because we're in dispute over some ridiculously niche and arcane topic. maybe I'm being optimistic but I'm guessing the actual glowies focus their disinfo campaigns on shit like Twitter and Facebook, you know, social media platforms that are actually used by large numbers of people, rather than some gay forum populated by a comparatively miniscule number of schizo brokebrains.

I don't think anybody's a glowie, I just think they're retarded.

 

[I'm Retarded?]

I don't think anybody's a glowie, I just think they're retarded.

this is the one true religion

 

[Cheeseknife]

Sounds like a you problem.

How many is that now? Outright dismissal evidence out of hand and seemingly proud of their own ignorance.

"Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is already made up."

But, like you mentioned earlier, this is what indoctrination look like.

These faggots were only taught one avenue of thinking and they never questioned it. And when confronted with anything that challenges, the are unable to think critically and instead must resort to ridicule and straw-manning.

Makes me happy this COVID stuff is even happening because people are going to continue to strangle themselves with their stringent belief in the religion of Science and Medicine.

 

[Tablet County]

How many is that now? Outright dismissal evidence out of hand and seemingly proud of their own ignorance.

"Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is already made up."

But, like you mentioned earlier, this is what indoctrination look like.

These faggots were only taught one avenue of thinking and they never questioned it. And when confronted with anything that challenges, the are unable to think critically and instead must resort to ridicule and straw-manning.

Makes me happy this COVID stuff is even happening because people are going to continue to strangle themselves with their stringent belief in the religion of Science and Medicine.

It's not dismissal of evidence you pompous faggot, I just prefer the written word to watching a video.

 

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

kick rocks

Suck cocks

 

[Cheeseknife]

I just prefer the written word to watching a video.

It doesn't really matter what excuse you're giving for it. It's still dismissal.

I personally prefer reading over videos myself, but I'd never dismiss relevant information depending on its format. That's just stupid.

Suck cocks

No u

 

[Tablet County]

It doesn't really matter what excuse you're giving for it. It's still dismissal.

Well, would you be so kind as to provide me with the relevant information in written form instead of running interference for someone who should be able to fight his own internet slapfights?

 

[draggs]

How many is that now? Outright dismissal evidence out of hand and seemingly proud of their own ignorance.

"Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is already made up."

But, like you mentioned earlier, this is what indoctrination look like.

These faggots were only taught one avenue of thinking and they never questioned it. And when confronted with anything that challenges, the are unable to think critically and instead must resort to ridicule and straw-manning.

Makes me happy this COVID stuff is even happening because people are going to continue to strangle themselves with their stringent belief in the religion of Science and Medicine.

Big bruh moments habbenin

 

[Cheeseknife]

Well, would you be so kind as to provide me with the relevant information in written form instead of running interference for someone who should be able to fight his own internet slapfights?

Sorry, but does this mean I'm going to assume Loli anime pfp and Chink-lover John Cena pfp and tranny Jojo pfp are all running interference for you?

Fuck off. Not doing your research legwork for you, lazy fat arsehole, especially given your attempts at critical thinking were just to attack me and Aether for being on the same side of this particular debate.

Plus, didn't you say it wasn't even a thread for a debate? Even though its literally what it says. Make up your mind, guy.

 

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

John Cena pfp

Tag me next time coward

 

[Cheeseknife]

No

 

[Tablet County]

Sorry, but does this mean I'm going to assume Loli and Chink-lover John Cena pfp and Jojo pfp are all running interference for you?

Fuck off. Not doing your research legwork for you, lazy fat arsehole, especially given your attempt at critical thinking we're just to attack me and Aether for being on the same side of this particular debate.

Plus, didn't you say it wasn't even a thread for a debate? Even though its literally what it says. Make up your mind, guy.

That's a false equivalency if I've ever seen one. Me and others sharing the opinion that you're a cunt is different from your alignment with @Aether Witch. For one the others aren't constantly parrying your mean words, nor are they reassuring me that I'm heckin' valid and you and your butt-buddy are just sheeple. I could possibly accept the criticism that I've contributed dick-all to this thread if you actually provided anything meaningful to this topic other than the constant stream of asspats and blowjobs to your e-daddy. There is not a single thing you have done that couldn't be provided by a fleshlight and anti-anxiety medication. And you do it for free.

But enough about you, let's kill me do something radical. You're absolutely right, I should do my own research, and I'm not just going to do it on my own, I'm gonna take everybody in this thread on a journey of discovery alongside me. I'm gonna do all my required reading, despite knowing dick for shit about virology, and you lot are gonna follow along.

TAKE A LOOK, IT'S IN A BOOK, A READING RAINBOOOOOOOOOW
The main article mentioned ad nauseum by @Aether Witch is A Farewell to Virology, which is nothing without it's citations, so we'll start with the article that I keep getting recommended when I look at any article in this sphere:

Spoiler: SETTLING THE VIRUS DEBATE

Source document: https://drsambailey.com/resources/settling-the-virus-debate/
14 July 2022
SETTLING THE VIRUS DEBATE

“A small parasite consisting of nucleic acid (RNA or DNA) enclosed in a protein coat that can
replicate only in a susceptible host cell.”

It has been more than two years since the onset of the “corona” crisis, which changed the trajectory of our world. The fundamental tenet of this crisis is that a deadly and novel “virus”, SARS-CoV-2, has spread around the world and negatively impacted large segments of humanity. Central to this tenet is the accepted wisdom that viruses, defined as replicating, protein-coated pieces of genetic material, either DNA or RNA, exist as independent entities in the real world and are able to act as pathogens. That is, the so-called particle with the protein coating and genetic interior is commonly believed to infect living tissues and cells, replicate inside these living tissues, damage the tissues as it makes its way out, and, in doing so, is also believed to create disease and sometimes death in its host - the so-called viral theory of disease causation. The alleged virus particles are then said to be able to transmit to other hosts, causing disease in them as well.

After a century of experimentation and studies, as well as untold billions of dollars spent toward this “war against viruses”, we must ask whether it’s time to reconsider this theory. For several decades, many doctors and scientists have been putting forth the case that this commonly-accepted understanding of viruses is based on fundamental misconceptions. Fundamentally, rather than seeing “viruses” as independent, exogenous, pathogenic entities, these doctors and scientists have suggested they are simply the ordinary and inevitable breakdown particles of stressed and/or dead and dying tissues. They are therefore not pathogens, they are not harmful to other living beings, and no scientific or rationale reasons exist to take measures to protect oneself or others against them. The misconceptions about “viruses” appears to largely derive from the nature of the experiments that are used as evidence to argue that such particles exist and act in the above pathological manner. In essence, the publications in virology are largely of a descriptive nature, rather than controlled and falsifiable hypothesis-driven experiments that are the heart of the scientific method.

Perhaps the primary evidence that the pathogenic viral theory is problematic is that no published scientific paper has ever shown that particles fulfilling the definition of viruses have been directly isolated and purified from any tissues or bodily fluids of any sick human or animal. Using the commonly accepted definition of “isolation”, which is the separation of one thing from all other things, there is general agreement that this has never been done in the history of virology. Particles that have been successfully isolated through purification have not been shown to be replication-competent, infectious and disease-causing, hence they cannot be said to be viruses. Additionally, the proffered “evidence” of viruses through “genomes" and animal experiments derives from methodologies with insufficient controls.

The following experiments would need to be successfully completed before the viral theory can be deemed factual:
1. a unique particle with the characteristics of a virus is purified from the tissues or fluids of a sick living being. The purification method to be used is at the discretion of the virologists but electron micrographs must be provided to confirm the successful purification of morphologically-identical alleged viral particles;
2. the purified particle is biochemically characterized for its protein components and genetic sequence;
3. the proteins are proven to be coded for by these same genetic sequences;
4. the purified viral particles alone, through a natural exposure route, are shown to cause identical sickness in test subjects, by using valid controls;
5. particles must then be successfully re-isolated (through purification) from the test subject at 4 above, and demonstrated to have exactly the same characteristics as the particles found in step 1.

However, we realize that the virologists may not take the steps outlined above, likely because all attempts to date have failed. They now simply avoid this experiment, insisting that what they say are “viruses” cannot be found in sufficient amounts in the tissues of any sick person or animal to allow such an analysis. Therefore, we have decided to meet the virologists half way. In the first instance, we propose that the methods in current use are put to the test. The virologists assert that these pathogenic viruses exist in our tissues, cells and bodily fluids because they claim to see the effects of these supposed unique particles in a variety of cell cultures. This process is what they call “isolation” of the virus. They also claim that, using electron microscopy, they can see these unique particles in the results of their cell cultures.
Finally, they claim that each “species” of pathogenic virus has its unique genome, which can be sequenced either directly from the bodily fluids of the sick person or from the results of a cell culture. We now ask that the virology community prove that these claims are valid, scientific and reproducible. Rather than engaging in wasteful verbal sparring, let us put this argument to rest by doing clear, precise, scientific experiments that will, without any doubt, show whether these claims are valid. We propose the following experiment as the first step in determining whether such an entity as a pathogenic human virus exists…

STEP ONE

5 virology labs worldwide would participate in this experiment and none would know the identities of the other participating labs. A monitor will be appointed to supervise all steps. Each of the 5 labs will receive five nasopharyngeal samples from four categories of people (i.e. 20 samples each), who either:

1) are not currently in receipt of, or being treated for a medical diagnosis;

2) have received a diagnosis of lung cancer;

3) have received a diagnosis of influenza A (according to recognized guidelines); or who

4) have received a diagnosis of ‘COVID-19’ (through a PCR “test” or lateral flow assay.)

Each person’s diagnosis (or “non-diagnosis”) will be independently verified, and the pathology reports will be made available in the study report. The labs will be blinded to the nature of the 20 samples they receive. Each lab will then attempt to “isolate” the viruses in question (Influenza A or SARS-CoV-2) from the samples or conclude that no pathogenic virus is present. Each lab will show photographs documenting the CPE (cytopathic effect), if present, and explain clearly each step of the culturing process and materials used, including full details of the controls or “mock-infections”. Next, each lab will obtain independently verified electron microscope images of the “isolated” virus, if present, as well as images showing the absence of the virus (presumably, in the well people and people with lung cancer). The electron microscopist will also be blinded to the nature of the samples they are analyzing. All procedures will be carefully documented and monitored.

STEP TWO

ALL of the samples will then be sent for genomic sequencing and once again the operators will remain blinded to the nature of their samples. It would be expected that if 5 labs receive material from the same sample of a patient diagnosed with COVID-19, each lab should report IDENTICAL sequences of the alleged SARS-CoV-2 genome. On the other hand, this genome should not be found in any other samples.

(Note: this statement is a brief outline of the suggested experiments - a fully detailed protocol would obviously need to be developed and agreed upon by the laboratories and signatories.)
If the virologists fail to obtain a satisfactory result from the above study, then their claims about detecting “viruses” will be shown to be unfounded. All of the measures put in place as a result of these claims should be brought to an immediate halt. If they succeed in this first task then we would encourage them to proceed to the required purification experiments to obtain the probative evidence for the existence of viruses. It is in the interest of everyone to address the issue of isolation, and the very existence, of alleged viruses such as SARS-CoV-2. This requires proof that the entry of morphologically and biochemically, virus-like particles into living cells is both necessary and sufficient to cause the appearance of the identical particles, which are contagious and disease causing.

We welcome your support and feedback for this initiative.​

There's not much to say about this one. Only that not once in this statement do they ever actually provide any proof to back up their claims. Many a claim is made regarding how virologists have failed to provide adequate evidence while failing to provide adequate evidence of this failure to provide adequate evidence. The only citation in the entire article is for the definition of what a virus is.

Now, this is just one article beseeching laboratories to perform an experiment to prove the existence of viruses, and not the main treatise on how viruses don't exist, so whatever. It is kind of odd they don't cite any sources but I don't know much about academic papers, simple lad that I am, so maybe this is normal.

I apologize if this effortpost is shitty and horribly formatted, I tend to stick to concise posts calling people retards so bear with me. Stay tuned for what I hope to be a more in-depth dissection of the various articles relevent to the topic of viruses not existing.

 

[Cheeseknife]

That's a false equivalency if I've ever seen one.

Oh, so you don't like it when your own bullshit is redirected back at you. Shocker. I'm also going to pull your own card on you and say I'm not going to read your ream of text because I don't like the format or whatever the fuck you said. Fair is fair, after all.

What's funny is I kinda let you off easy given your initial retarded takes and even complimented your funny pancakes video. Given how obnoxious you're becoming, I'm curious as to why you care do much that Aether and I happen to have similar opinions or that we even believe what we believe. Like, you're dedicating a lot of time and effort to this.

I pretty much wrote you off after the pancake comment. You had one chance to be regarded as anything other than "bad faith person with human skull pfp" and you fucked it up.

So, good luck trying to get me to take you seriously now.

 

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

No

Lol coward

 

[Cheeseknife]

No u lol

 

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

No u lol

This nigga terrified

 

[Cheeseknife]

No u lol