Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Great news for all Vatniggers & Ziggers: they can leave the degenerate west for the Trad Paradise that is Russia.

All they need to do is join Russia's glorious march to victory for one measly year.

Putin offers easier path to citizenship for foreigners who join Russian military
https://news.yahoo.com/putin-offers-easier-path-citizenship-213034359.html
Man I really hope the slavaboo ziggers in the other thread don't prove us all wrong by enlisting in the Russian military and showing us how wrong we are about the Russian Federation. I'm sure all recruits will be treated better than West Point Graduates at a ring knocker convention and issued only the finest equipment that would make DEVGRU blush with envy. Not to mention I'm sure Russia is not lying about how well the SMO is going and the mortality rate is real low. Please ziggers, don't take advantage of this great offer.
 
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Even Ukrainians themselves are starting to wake up at the Amerimutt betrayal. Denys tried to play it positive for months now, but it's no longer possible to deny it.
If shit truly hits the fan in Ukraine, I hope Denys and others make it very clear who is the culprit and how Ukraine was systematically starved by its "friend" and denied the weapons it needed to actually have progress. Not "win" the war, anyone sane knew this was never about winning against Russia. Just expelling Russia from what it does not own.
 
A new Puck video is out on the recent missile attacks:

Main takeaways:
  • Russia is trying a new approach this winter of launching more missiles at a time less often, since last year's campaign didn't achieve results. They hope the greater concentration overwhelms AAD.
  • He doesn't believe that a barrage was a revenge attack for the destroyed landing ship, since too much preparation is needed.
  • Ukraine is better prepared this winter. However, balancing that, Russia has more missile production, and a lot more Iranian-type drones, now made domestically.
  • Both civilian and military objects are hit but we only see civilian strikes because of Ukraine's op-sec. Ukraine doesn't want to provide Russia valuable feedback about success in hitting defense production facilities and so on.
  • Some civilian object strikes may be due to AAD or EW jamming sending missiles off-course. That is, Russia is certainly targeting civilian facilities, but still some of the damage footage we see wasn't intended.
  • Finally, a reason for blowing up apartments and so on is because it's good for Putin's image, especially in regards to the upcoming totally real election. Russians get excited at seeing all that Ukrainian death and destruction and love their dear leader all the more. Or at least many do.
He also as an aside expresses confoundment that Germany is still giving lame excuses for not sending Taurus missiles. He says they'd be a great addition to Ukraine's arsenal.

All told, he covers a lot of ground in a 13 minute video.
 
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A new Puck video is out on the recent missile attacks:

Main takeaways:
  • Russia is trying a new approach this winter of launching more missiles at a time less often, since last year's campaign didn't achieve results. They hope the greater concentration overwhelms AAD.
  • He doesn't believe in the theory of a revenge attack for the landing ship, since too much preparation is needed.
  • Ukraine is better prepared this winter. However, balancing that, Russia has more missile production, and a lot more Iranian-type drones, now made domestically.
  • Both civilian and military objects are hit but we only see civilian strikes because of Ukraine's op-sec. Ukraine doesn't want to provide Russia valuable feedback about success in hitting defense production facilities and so on.
  • Some civilian object strikes may be due to AAD or EW jamming sending missiles off-course. That is, Russia is certainly targeting civilian facilities, but still some of the damage footage we see wasn't intended.
  • Finally, a reason for blowing up apartments and so on is because it's good for Putin's image, especially in regards to the upcoming totally real election. Russians get excited at seeing all that Ukrainian death and destruction and love their dear leader all the more. Or at least many do.
He also as an aside expresses confoundment that Germany is still giving lame excuses for not sending Taurus missiles. He says they'd be a great addition to Ukraine's arsenal.

All told, he covers a lot of ground in a 13 minute video.
What are the odds Obama 2.0 told the Krauts not to give the Ukes Tauruses? Just seems bizarre to me that especially after the Russians once again managed to remind the world that they're chimping out in Eastern Europe (I saw a ton of news coverage, newspapers etc) by bombing apartments and hospitals that you wouldn't get some 'fuck you' missiles delivered. But who knows, maybe they did and we'll hear about it later?

The utter cynicism of extending this conflict indefinitely to kill as many Russians as possible while bleeding the Ukrainians slowly boggles my mind but I still don't know whether it's a mixture of avoiding upsetting the slavniggers of Europe in a misguided attempt to let a historical rival save face, or worrying about the slavniggers of Europe having their shitty, criminal house of cards blow over with a swift bitch slap delivered by blowing the dust off of and providing more NATO hand-me-downs to their poorer, smaller neighbour they invaded and can't beat.

Just truly don't understand not doing a write-off garage sale of obsolete equipment sitting in warehouses to Ukraine that saves their lives, kills Russians, and ends the war with a decisive 'don't fuck with America' vibe. Machiavellian 4D chess or fear/incompetency?
 
Man I really hope the slavaboo ziggers in the other thread don't prove us all wrong by enlisting in the Russian military and showing us how wrong we are about the Russian Federation. I'm sure all recruits will be treated better than West Point Graduates at a ring knocker convention and issued only the finest equipment that would make DEVGRU blush with envy. Not to mention I'm sure Russia is not lying about how well the SMO is going and the mortality rate is real low. Please ziggers, don't take advantage of this great offer.
I'm sure if you gave that offer signed Putin himself to any given zigger shit-talker on the forums, they will sperg out and give plethora of excuses.
 
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Anders Puck Nielsen assesses why and how Russia targets civilians. He doesn't see the recent major attack as revenge for the landing vessel, but rather something long planned. Big sustained and rare attacks take the place of the small frequent attacks of last year. Basically force Ukraine to divert resources to air defense, damage its defense industry, and make Putin look stronk.
 
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Even Ukrainians themselves are starting to wake up at the Amerimutt betrayal. Denys tried to play it positive for months now, but it's no longer possible to deny it.
Seems like you're forgetting (or ignoring) the untold millions of dollars & man-hours donated to Ukraine directly by Amerimutt (and Eurocuck) citizens, far outside of the political & budgetary processes; the only betrayals being done are by the politicians.

Sure, we can't directly ship missiles, traditional arms, tanks, and aircraft to Ukraine without politicians, but they're not responsible for the swarms of FPV & commerical drones developed & used in Ukraine. And that's still only a fraction of what private donations pay for.
 
Seems like you're forgetting (or ignoring) about the untold millions of dollars & man-hours donated to Ukraine directly by Amerimutt (and Eurocuck) citizens, far outside of the political & budgetary processes; the only betrayals being done are by the politicians.

Sure, we can't directly ship missiles, traditional arms, tanks, and aircraft to Ukraine without politicians, but they're not responsible for the swarms of FPV & commerical drones developed & used in Ukraine. And that's still only a fraction of what private donations pay for.
Well, I largely agree.
But you will likely vote for these politicians. Who else? You have no choice basically, it's not like you'd choose Biden over Trump based on Biden wanting to continue to fund Ukraine.
All those Republicans got in because of MAGA types unhappy with Ukraine getting money.
I warned against running a hardcore capitalist state at home and welfare state for foreigners like Ukraine many months ago, and I was correct. This shit causes frustration and a desire to take vengeance on those that got more from the US.
Ukraine's image in the eyes of the US populist right and left is almost universally negative and everyone from Glenn Greenwald to MAGApedes and the far right salivate at the thought of allowing it to collapse and Russia taking over.
And there's nothing Ukraine can do to improve this image as it's already sacrificed its best men and continues to do so. If they don't play to shitlib sensibilities, they are accused of fascism and Nazism. If they play to those sensibilities and allow some NAFO and tranny lunacy, they get painted as degenerates.
This is why I attacked neoconservatism and neoliberalism. Every sane soul on the planet knows these are rotten, lying ideologies.
There has to be a new basis for help going towards countries that are invaded and attacked by larger enemies. Based on consistency and fairness, not empire expansion and influence.
 
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A new Puck video is out on the recent missile attacks:

Main takeaways:
  • Russia is trying a new approach this winter of launching more missiles at a time less often, since last year's campaign didn't achieve results. They hope the greater concentration overwhelms AAD.
  • He doesn't believe that a barrage was a revenge attack for the destroyed landing ship, since too much preparation is needed.
  • Ukraine is better prepared this winter. However, balancing that, Russia has more missile production, and a lot more Iranian-type drones, now made domestically.
  • Both civilian and military objects are hit but we only see civilian strikes because of Ukraine's op-sec. Ukraine doesn't want to provide Russia valuable feedback about success in hitting defense production facilities and so on.
  • Some civilian object strikes may be due to AAD or EW jamming sending missiles off-course. That is, Russia is certainly targeting civilian facilities, but still some of the damage footage we see wasn't intended.
  • Finally, a reason for blowing up apartments and so on is because it's good for Putin's image, especially in regards to the upcoming totally real election. Russians get excited at seeing all that Ukrainian death and destruction and love their dear leader all the more. Or at least many do.
He also as an aside expresses confoundment that Germany is still giving lame excuses for not sending Taurus missiles. He says they'd be a great addition to Ukraine's arsenal.

All told, he covers a lot of ground in a 13 minute video.
I think he's 1/2 wrong about the attack not being revenge. Clearly the strike wasn't a last-minute plan, but I'm pretty sure the order was given in direct response to their ammo ship get BTFO.

Also remember he's got a NATO Naval officers perspective on things, so I sort of view his analysises askance.


What are the odds Obama 2.0 told the Krauts not to give the Ukes Tauruses?
Far from impossible, but Germany's leadership hardly needs an external reason to cuck out like the manchurian candidates they are when it comes to doing anything that would seriously anger Russia-senpai.

regarding the rest of you post I again remind you:
Iran is only able to make ballistic missiles to sell to Russia because in 1990s Ukraine sold them Iskander prototypes the US had paid them to destroy.

Ukrainian leadership is corrupt. Much is still incompetent. You saw in the early days of the counter offense operational control had been given to only finest soviet minds doing retarded funnel attacks like we boggle at when Russia does them. If they had more western armor, they would have just sent more ineffectively in the kill zones.
There is also a slavic beggar component. Ukraine pushed off their counter-offensive for at least a month trying to weedle more weapons from the west. That was a month Russia had time to know what was coming, where, and unlike last winter there was no rope-a-dope. They had to push into competently built hardened defenses with a enemy ready and expecting them. Who knows if that extra month any difference.

The flip side of that coin is (somewhat) the same reason Russia doesn't just load 500 fighter jets with thermobaric bombs and have them go full afterburners on Kiev - every geopolitical action has a reaction. IF the US starts going full war economy to prop Ukraine, China will respond in kind for Russia - and there's a very good chance Russia uses the escalation to go even further gloves off.

If Ukraine suddenly gets 2000 Abrams, Russia (probably rightly) can use fear of those tanks rolling to Moscow with a newly powerful Ukraine to garner support internationally. You slowly build Ukraine's force, and Russia can't bitch about fear of a sudden change at the front.

I'm not going to disagree that I think the supply of systems to Ukraine has been too slow, but also just punching the accelerator to the floor isn't the solution either.

I'm sure if you gave that offer signed Putin himself to any given zigger shit-talker on the forums, they will sperg out and give plethora of excuses.

I mean I don't want to step into the middle of a Slavic slap fight, but I'm not holding out Ukraine as some beacon of civilization - merely slightly better than Russia.
 
Russians once again managed to remind the world that they're chimping out in Eastern Europe (I
Germany has no shortage of Soviet sympathizers and the US political establishment relies on being contrarian so aid will be a challenge. I say we deport the German Soviet sympathizers to Russia but I'm not German and there seem to be a lot of them and complacent German politicians holding things back.
 
Germany has no shortage of Soviet sympathizers and the US political establishment relies on being contrarian so aid will be a challenge. I say we deport the German Soviet sympathizers to Russia but I'm not German and there seem to be a lot of them and complacent German politicians holding things back.
I was amused to find out recently that there's a still-active org for former Stasi officers. They seemed to be violently pro-Z.
 
Germany has no shortage of Soviet sympathizers and the US political establishment relies on being contrarian so aid will be a challenge.

There's also do anything or nothing rather than risk nuclear war faction and there's the kill all nazi faction. Both of which have been cultivated by western communists and affiliates since WWII. Just now the western socialists are getting a taste of those people starting shit during their war. As they're supposed to be the permanent opposition to nonsocialist western government leaders and parties doing anything remotely harsh to Soviet Union senpai.
 
But you will likely vote for these politicians. Who else? You have no choice basically, it's not like you'd choose Biden over Trump based on Biden wanting to continue to fund Ukraine.
All those Republicans got in because of MAGA types unhappy with Ukraine getting money.
I don't know what "those Republicans" you're referring to, but you may not understand American politics. The Ukraine issue simply doesn't rank very high among most Americans' concerns, certainly not among the centrists who are in play in most elections. Ukraine has broad support but it's not a central issue. Sure, if you pay attention to the loudest figures on this topic, you'll hear a lot about it, but the average voter worries more about inflation, immigration, jobs, etc. So no I don't believe any Republicans sailed into office on opposition to Ukraine aid.

It's an odd horseshoe mix of far-left (Max Blumenthal, Code Pink) and populist right (Tucker, MTG, Gaetz) that have been most anti-Ukraine. But Republicans have also flanked the Dems from the other side, such as when four Republicans penned a letter in September urging Biden to hurry up and send ATACMS; and that's Tom Cotton, seen as Trump aligned. Yes now it's Republicans holding up aid to extract border concessions, but while it's nerve-racking I still expect a deal.

As for what Trump will do on Ukraine, well, he's a wild card. The optimist in me suggests that when his naive peace deal is rejected, he'll see Putin's intransigence is to blame and won't take his defiance lying down. But it's anyone's guess. What I do know is that Biden has been a disaster domestically.

Anders Puck Nielsen
Maybe you've noticed by now but I already posted this three posts up.
 
If Ukraine suddenly gets 2000 Abrams, Russia (probably rightly) can use fear of those tanks rolling to Moscow with a newly powerful Ukraine to garner support internationally. You slowly build Ukraine's force, and Russia can't bitch about fear of a sudden change at the front.
This is the dumbest shit (and insane cope and disingenuous lunacy) I've read in a month, and I actually thought a full minute before pressing Post Reply, just to make sure.
This is tragic. This whole thread is sad and tragic.
I don't know what "those Republicans" you're referring to, but you may not understand American politics. The Ukraine issue simply doesn't rank very high among most Americans' concerns, certainly not among the centrists who are in play in most elections. Ukraine has broad support but it's not a central issue. Sure, if you pay attention to the loudest figures on this topic, you'll hear a lot about it, but the average voter worries more about inflation, immigration, jobs, etc. So no I don't believe any Republicans sailed into office on opposition to Ukraine aid.
If Ukraine is not important, why create this image of support and frantically promote resistance, instead of allowing it to just get swept by Russia with 1/10 victims?
If the US does not care, say so from the start. Support without the needed ammo and gear is meaningless.
Romania deals with the same economic issues, but guess what, we're smart enough to realize that a strong, emboldened Russia is worse than anything else.
Is it too much to expect Americans to wake up already, in full?
People are dying by the thousands, nobody gives a shit you pay more for food and gas.
If this is not that important, it should be openly stated, so we can catalyze European rearming and a fracture of NATO, better to deal with this shit now rather than later.
Main purpose of NATO is keeping Russia at bay, and it doesn't do too good at it.
 
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Sure, we can't directly ship missiles, traditional arms, tanks, and aircraft to Ukraine without politicians,
I personally know two men who ship traditional arms to Ukraine from America. It is a bit convoluted and one was extremely worried about the ATF process but once he did one successfully, it was nothing to him. No where near the level of country sponsored packages but he is guaranteed to get cheaper arms than what is avaliable in Ukraine, and its what soldiers want (barretts, scars, etc). The big issue exporting is Ukraines laws and bureaucracy (the same bureaucracies its citizens/soldiers hate). If I had a legal registered entity in Ukraine I would be supplying arms myself.
 
Is it too much to expect Americans to wake up already, in full?
Yes. The current political climate doesn't allow for this and there are more pressing issues in the US. The US is also huge with different groups all fighting for representation/gibs. Tying Trump to Russia has also complicated things.
 
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