Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

You know redditors don't represent the US, right? A lot of them are europeans and a lot are leftists who are anti-america.
Of course, that's from r/europe.
They support Ukraine though.
Remember, thread is about Ukraine and its war of national survival. Not the US. US' role is basically to provide gear in exchange for imperial influence and Russian lives. And that's about it.
 
This is why I attacked neoconservatism and neoliberalism. Every sane soul on the planet knows these are rotten, lying ideologies.
There has to be a new basis for help going towards countries that are invaded and attacked by larger enemies. Based on consistency and fairness, not empire expansion and influence.
Aw, cute. He thinks he's people.
 
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Apropos of Gerasimov allegedly dying.
 
Gen Gerasimov appeared to have been killed in Crimea in the missile strike yesterday. Ukraine claims it. Russia is saying nothing.
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Optimistic and hopefully untrue.
If he's dead, its possible his successor might be competent and not just send moblik meat-waves at Ukrainian positions.

Not a strong chance mind you, but a chance.
 
So a group being worthless, subhuman inbred pedophilliac copper-stealing parasites leeching from other societies doesn't mean they will disappear, despite being universally hated, loathed, reviled and just generally terrible.
The only thing Hitler did wrong was failing to genocide them.
These two lines were then cut together, not even in the right order, to make Lady Graham and Zelensky sound like bloodthirsty death eaters.
Can I just say I actually like what the horribly-spliced remark is saying? Its actually pretty honest since a bunch of dead Russians really is some of the best money we've ever spent. Speaking purely from the context of them being our geopolitical rival, them blundering into a war with Ukraine to get bogged down for two years and throw away god knows how much men and materiel is a fucking godsend that's going to cripple them for decades.
The French after the Battle of Saratoga said:
Les anglais sont en train de mourir. C'est le meilleur argent que nous ayons jamais dépensé.
Of course, the vatniks are probably going to take it out of context and act like I desire nothing but dead Russians, but all Russia had to do was not invade Ukraine and we wouldn't be able to do this.
 
I'm taking a wait and see approach with Gerasimov. I do think, however, that his loss would hurt Russia. Putin only has a few insiders he trusts, with the G man right at the top. There would be instability and infighting as Putin tried to find someone to fill his shoes. The qualifications are (a) being a sycophant and (b) being able to passably pretend to understand how a military works.

Plus, his death would affect morale on both sides.

Speaking of which, has anyone seen Admiral Sokolov lately?
 
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Yes now it's Republicans holding up aid to extract border concessions, but while it's nerve-racking I still expect a deal.
Who's more responsible for blocked aid to Ukraine?
The reps holding up funding to get border concessions, or the dems who can't swallow their pride and temporarily pump the brakes on the Central American invasion of the US to stop the Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Both... they're both shit and both responsible

I'm taking a wait and see approach with Gerasmiov. I do think, however, that his loss would hurt Russia. Putin only has a few insiders he trusts, with the G man right at the top. There would be instability and infighting as Putin tried to find someone to fill his shoes. The qualifications are (a) being a sycophant and (b) being able to passably pretend to understand how a military works.

Plus, his death would affect morale on both sides.

Speaking of which, has anyone seen Admiral Sokolov lately?
Let me dig the source, but supposedly Budanov already denied rumours about Gerasimov being dead.
 
it's Republicans holding up aid to extract border concessions, but while it's nerve-racking I still expect a deal.
Problem is the democrats simply are refusing to do any deal that would adversely effect the flow of new democrat voters crossing the U.S. borders. By tying aid to Ukraine with securing the U.S. borders is showing everyone where exactly the democrats real priority is and it's not Ukraine. Especially if Trump is elected president and continues in supporting Ukraine and eastern Europe, as the democrats will without fail switch to supporting Putin just to spite Trump.
 
Had a talk with my brother, first time in a while. Doing well, thankfully, sounded pretty happy about buying a thermal scope.
Personal stuff aside, said he's "far enough from the heat" now so I shouldn't worry much (not that it helps, frankly), said he's going to brew some coffee after dinner (fried potatoes, classic) and go back to work at the end - which at the moment is spotting and taking down Shaheds. Little personal account, if you will.
Still feels surreal that this is actually happening, but that's the world we find ourselves in.
 
As an american I'm actually vaguely sympathetic to the Ukrainians but this is taking up way too many resources.
Imagine if instead of Ukraine we had sent those Cold-War era infantry fighting vehicles rotting in storage to all the Trayvons on the corner so they could lift themselves out of their section 8 housing and life of gibsmedats.

Instead of letting Norway and Denmark send their F-16s to Ukraine, we should instead buy those F-16s and use them to fix muh heckin roads or some shit!
 
Of course, that's from r/europe.
They support Ukraine though.
Remember, thread is about Ukraine and its war of national survival. Not the US. US' role is basically to provide gear in exchange for imperial influence and Russian lives. And that's about it.
This is why I attacked neoconservatism and neoliberalism. Every sane soul on the planet knows these are rotten, lying ideologies.
There has to be a new basis for help going towards countries that are invaded and attacked by larger enemies. Based on consistency and fairness, not empire expansion and influence.
You've been making posts I always want to refute and prove wrong but I have to sadly accept that you haven't been fundamentally wrong in your pessimism. I always knew normies (i.e. not people posting daily in a thread about a war that has been losing PR attention to Israel/Gaza for a while now) weren't prepared to support Ukraine for the long haul when they were posting Facebook cartoons of The Simpsons in Ukrainian colors and treating Ukraine as effectively a doomed cause back in February-March 2022.

Even when the Russian convoys were eventually turned to burning husks and the VDV into meat cubes, normies seemed to be almost disappointed that they could no longer post inspirational updoots about how evil Putin was going to capture the entire Ukraine and how sad and outraged it would make them feel, so they promptly turned their attention instead to other news stories.

Normies really need an effective bloodlust for TZD as long as Russia continues to occupy part of Ukraine. Poland and Scandinavia for historical reasons have it. Your country has a good amount of it because, despite shared Orthodoxy, the Russians weren't as kind to you in 1944 as they were towards equally Axis but Slavic Bulgaria that same year. Unless their country got Moscow'd at some point in history, most normies in the developed world don't really have an inate Russophobia and are in fact rather weary of it, especially after the Cold War. Hell, up to 2014 I thought Russians were pretty relatable people that wrote cool nihilistic novels.
This is the dumbest shit (and insane cope and disingenuous lunacy) I've read in a month, and I actually thought a full minute before pressing Post Reply, just to make sure.
This is tragic. This whole thread is sad and tragic.
While more long-ranged missiles would strike more fear in Moscow, think of how a handful of Leopards, (especially these latter two) Bradleys and relatively short-ranged HIMARS have already wrecked havok amomg Russian frontlines. Even 300 Abrams would turn the tide somewhat (at least to prevent Ukrainian tankers turning into astronauts).
 
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You've been making posts I always want to refute and prove wrong but I have to sadly accept that you haven't been fundamentally wrong in your pessimism. I always knew normies (i.e. not people posting daily in a thread about a war that has been losing PR attention to Israel/Gaza for a while now) weren't prepared to support Ukraine for the long haul when they were posting Facebook cartoons of The Simpsons in Ukrainian colors and treating Ukraine as effectively a doomed cause back in February-March 2022.
I do take some limited "pleasure" in this, I admit, because I have always warned, even when things went well, to never, ever, ever underestimate Russia. The chest thumping I've witnessed from Westerners was always pure insanity for me, cause I know, very, very well this is a huge country with an unmatched appetite for conquest and incredibly high tolerance for human losses. Coupled with its reenforced authoritarian state, it's a nightmare. I would be far less adversarial if people would not persist in their obviously now obsolete ways. If one thinks shit's going great and well, it is what it is, that means that Ukraine will be abandoned. To fix dire situations, first, always as a required step, is recognition of danger. So people must be dragged out kicking and screaming if necessary out of their stupor.
Anyway, I have more fun stuff, from Forbes.
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I think what should matter in the end is that I want Ukraine to succeed in keeping its territories. If one cannot see the damage that would be done to the whole planet if we allow a new wave of annexations and colonialism, that person is too retarded to bother talking to IMO.
This is why I never made my points based on hatred for Russia, or democracy, or liberalism etc., but purely on pragmatic order maintaining, pacifying rebellious countries that destabilize the rest of the planet. Order at an international stage cannot exist if there is no respect for borders. Countries cannot exist if we deny their ethnic cores and attempt to reshape them around some ideology that is worth exactly zero, as we've seen with neoliberalism/neoconservatism, filled with inconsistencies and lies.
A new framework based on truth and accuracy is needed.
 
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