US Arrests at Chabad’s iconic headquarters after attempt to fill secret tunnel

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It took months, perhaps years for a small crew of Lubavitchers to dig a secret passageway underneath the famed headquarters of the Chabad movement. They would not let it be filled so easily.

The New York Police Department was called Monday to 770 Eastern Parkway in Brooklyn’s Crown Heights neighborhood, where a number of Chabad students — most in their teens and early twenties — mounted a last stand against construction crews called to fill in the tunnel connecting the synagogue at that location to the defunct Chabad mikvah around the corner.

In videos circulating on Chabad community news sources and social media, Lubavitchers can be seen ripping down the wood paneling on the south wall of the synagogue, revealing a cavernous concrete space about 20 feet wide underneath the women’s section. Several young men were sitting or standing in the space — apparently to prevent it from being filled — as scores of others watched or recorded video on their phones. The length of the tunnel is unclear from the videos.

NYPD eventually made 10 arrests, according to community news outlet CrownHeights.info. Video showed several men in Lubavitcher garb being led out, their wrists bound with zip ties.

Locked in litigation​

The chaos at 770 — the former home of the late Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson — was the culmination of a controversy that began when the tunnel was discovered in early December, and the latest chapter in a multi-year battle between the Chabad-Lubavitch movement and synagogue leadership for control of the iconic building.

Chabad-Lubavitcher movement spokesperson Rabbi Motti Seligson declined to comment.

It was unclear what motivated the creation of the tunnel and why some students reacted so strongly to the arrival of a cement truck Monday morning to fill it. Reports said the people behind the tunnel’s excavation — it was unconfirmed who that was, but sources tended to agree they began within the last year or two — had hoped to “expand” 770, but it was not obvious how the tunnel accomplished that.

A video posted on the CrownHeights.info Instagram in December showed a dark, dirt-walled crawl space allegedly beginning in the recesses of the former Chabad Women’s Mikvah, located at 1506 Union Street. Large dirt mounds obstruct much of the basement.

After the tunnel’s discovery, the leadership of Beis Chayeinu — the Chabad synagogue that meets in 770 — hired structural engineers to determine the extent of the damage and the safety issue it posed, and eventually moved to fill it.


According to Haredi news source Collive.com, the students who tried to stop the filling of the tunnel were mostly from Israel and associated with Chabad Messianism — whose adherents believe that Schneerson, the sixth Lubavitcher Rebbe, was the Messiah. The Chabad-Lubavitch movement publicly disavows those beliefs.

But the movement, despite years of litigation, does not control 770 Eastern Parkway, though it owns the title. It has been locked in litigation with Beis Chayeinu over control of the building for decades.
 
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You're making a distinction they do not make. Rome = Catholic Church = Christianity.
So not all Christians, but just the Roman Catholic Church is considered evil?

These guys?
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You have to admit it's an easy assumption to make nowadays with Pope Globohomo running things.
 
Again, you are making a distinction they do not make. They do mean all, hence the odd vitriol against Protestant evangelicals. They are all considered the same, an enemy.
Still just sounds like good old fashioned xenophobia and typical display of in-group preference, rather than everyone diligently working for thousands of years to fulfil an ancient prophecy. Same what that the rest of the world practices (except for Western Europe and America for some reason). Latin America does xenophobia right, for example. Don't see any refugees there.
 
So who is Amalek then?
Amalek doesn't exist anymore really, they all got intermarried and it's impossible to tell who is who. The israelis compared Hamas to amalek to demonstrate how evil Hamas was, they don't literally believe Hamas is amalek.

Essentially Islam= Ishmael
The West = edom/esau (rabbi Judah the prince maintains that identification of Edom with the West only applies to evil doers who act like Esau, normal people aren't considered Edomites)

Edom was also its own nation until after the Romans destroyed Judea and then they disappear into history.

The tall man likes to go on these schizo rants about the book of Obadiah predicting the complete destruction of the Edomites and thinking it means the modern West. I've already addressed them in other threads before realizing that I can have more productive and intellectually stimulating discourse with a brick wall.
 
One thing you haven't considered: why can't it be both?
Have you ever tried to get a group of Jews to come to a consensus on something? The Israeli government is a great example of that, even now you have liberals there more worried about Hamas than their own people.

Amalek doesn't exist anymore really, they all got intermarried and it's impossible to tell who is who. The israelis compared Hamas to amalek to demonstrate how evil Hamas was, they don't literally believe Hamas is amalek.
Ah. My understanding was that Amalek referred to some of the indigenous tribes in the region who later converted to Islam.

Essentially Islam= Ishmael
The West = edom/esau (rabbi Judah the prince maintains that identification of Edom with the West only applies to evil doers who act like Esau, normal people aren't considered Edomites)
Well that may be tricky. Not too many normal people left in the west nowadays. It's mostly this:
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Although I don't think anyone is really going to miss those things.
 
only applies to evil doers who act like Esau
That means anyone who has blood relations to someone who wronged the Jews in the past.

Since all Western nations had Christians persecute Jews, it means all of them.

Because you are leaving out that Esau is considered a blood line, so even some Western goy who was only nice towards Jews; his blood relation to another Westerner that persecuted a Jew in the past makes him a descendant Esau.

All Westerners are considered the descendants of Esau.

And many Rabbis, like Mizrachi, whom you don't like because he speaks so bluntly about it, simply say America and Europe are Edom.

I've already addressed them in other threads before realizing that I can have more productive and intellectually stimulating discourse with a brick wall.
LOL, all you said was "No, you are not allowed to talk about Obadiah" and then your ran away without addressing my post.
And now you talk about me without tagging me, cute.

But I am glad I could teach you something about Judaism or maybe you lied who knows.

Remember when I said this
their mainstream believe is that, Edom the West has to be destroyed for the Mashiach to come.
and your answer used to be this.
It's not and the only source you have are fringe rabbis that no one listens to like Yosef Mizrahi.

Will you claim that Chabad is fringe now?
As of 10 Jan 2024, Chabad-Lubavitch is the largest and fastest-growing Jewish organization with 4,900 emissary families operating 3,500 institutions in 100 countries and territories, with activities in many more. The Chabad on Campus International network is comprised of the largest group of campus rabbis and trained Jewish educators serving college students in the world. The Sinai Scholars Society, a joint initiative of the Chabad on Campus International and The Rohr Jewish Learning Institute, has seen 24,560 students complete the program since its inception. Chabad claims that with 1,000 centers, it has the largest network of synagogues of any Jewish movement in North America. In Canada, 51 towns and cities have a Chabad presence, including campus outreach centres, and there are 39 centres in Quebec alone, seven of which opened in the last five years.1 According to headquarters, almost one million children participated in Chabad activities worldwide in 1999.
 
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That means anyone who has blood relations to someone who wronged the Jews in the past.

Avodah Zara 10B is very clear on this:

"On another occasion, Antoninus said to Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi: Will I enter the World-to-Come? Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi said to him: Yes. Antoninus said to him: But isn’t it written: “And there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau” (Obadiah 1:18)? Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi answered: The verse is stated with regard to those who perform actions similar to those of the wicked Esau, not to people like you."
This is also taught in a baraita: From the verse: “And there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau,” one might have thought that this applies to everyone descended from Esau, irrespective of an individual’s actions. Therefore, the verse states: “Of the house of Esau,” to indicate that the verse is stated only with regard to those who continue in the way of Esau, and perform actions similar to those of Esau. This is also taught in a baraita: The verse states: “Her kings,” but not: All of her kings, and: “All her leaders,” but not: All of her officers. The inference learned from the wording of the verse: “Her kings,” but not: All of her kings, serves to exclude Antoninus the son of Asveirus; and the inference from the wording: “All her leaders,” but not: All of her officers, serves to exclude the Roman officer Ketia, son of Shalom.

It's pretty cut and dry. People may be identified with Edom and physically descended from Edom but their actions matter, not their lineage. Otherwise why would Obadiah and Onkelos be respected as converts?
 
It's the largest most influential Jewish movement/organization.
The Satmar Hasidim are the largest worldwide but just like the Lubavitch they broke away into different factions when their Grand Rebbe Yoel Teitelbaum passed on.

Like Badungus said trying to get jews to agree on anything is like trying to wrangle cats; you can't.
 
> @Catch The Rainbow can’t not let some schizo poster post Schizophrenic Jewish rants from actual Jews without Correcting the Record
> @wtfNeedSignUp is just stoning Palestinian children and gooning to Mato Seihei no Slave instead of being on the JIDF

What other Jewish users can we compare to Catch the Rainbow going it’s “Anudda Shoah” to shit posts about the Jew Tunnels of New York.
 
The Satmar Hasidim are the largest worldwide but just like the Lubavitch they broke away into different factions when their Grand Rebbe Yoel Teitelbaum passed on.

Like Badungus said trying to get jews to agree on anything is like trying to wrangle cats; you can't.
Satmar hasidim are the biggest Hasidic sect but I suspect there's a lot of yeshivish people that fly under the radar because they're classified as general haredim.
 
It's pretty cut and dry. People may be identified with Edom and physically descended from Edom but their actions matter, not their lineage. Otherwise why would Obadiah and Onkelos be respected as converts?
This is just your personal fringe interpretation.
I have shown you the interpretations of Chabad, Haredi and you have only your personal interpretation to offer.

Edom needs to fall, which is America the West you are talking about the judgement of individual people, when Jewish prophecy talks about the destruction of Nations.

There is video of Rabbis from many different sects explaining exactly the same thing, for Mashiach ben David to come, Edom has to be destroyed and Edom means America and Europe.

Anyway here is your explanation to why Obadiah was spared destruction like the other Edomites
Ovadia was chosen to convey this prophecy because he was an Edomite who converted to Judaism. As the expression goes, “From the forest itself comes the handle of the ax.” Here, too, Ovadia, who came from Edom, says the prophecy of Edom’s destruction. Another reason is because unlike Esau, Ovadia stayed holy even though he was constantly in the presence of two wicked people

Ovadia merited to be a prophet because he saved 100 prophets, hiding them from the wicked Izevel and borrowing money to sustain them.
So all you have to do to not be considered Esau is to wish for the destruction of your own homeland, convert to Judaism and save 100 Jewish prophets.
I have the feeling most Europeans and Americans do not pass.
 
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Satmar hasidim are the biggest Hasidic sect but I suspect there's a lot of yeshivish people that fly under the radar because they're classified as general haredim.
You haven't lived until you had to navigate all of them while living in Brooklyn and not being a, you know, Hasidic jew.

Honestly it's a non-issue for me, I just threw in with Williamburg because I spent a lot of time there and the women are very welcoming.

Also I never had to lock the car in North Williamsburg. In NYC that's a huge plus, not to mention a rarity. Can't say the same for Crown Heights (edit-its not because of the Chabadniks either).
 
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Avodah Zara 10B is very clear on this:


"ל ההיא נקרתא דהוה עיילא מביתיה לבית רבי כל יומא הוה מייתי תרי עבדי חד קטליה אבבא דבי רבי וחד קטליה אבבא דביתיה א"ל בעידנא דאתינא לא נשכח גבר קמך

The Gemara relates anther anecdote involving Antoninus. Antoninus had a certain underground cave from which there was a tunnel that went from his house to the house of Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi. Every day he would bring two servants to serve him. He would kill one at the entrance of the house of Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, and would kill the other one at the entrance of his house, so that no living person would know that he had visited Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi. He said to Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi: When I come to visit, let no man be found before you.



what is it with you guys and murder tunnels?
 
> @Catch The Rainbow can’t not let some schizo poster post Schizophrenic Jewish rants from actual Jews without Correcting the Record
> @wtfNeedSignUp is just stoning Palestinian children and gooning to Mato Seihei no Slave instead of being on the JIDF

What other Jewish users can we compare to Catch the Rainbow going it’s “Anudda Shoah” to shit posts about the Jew Tunnels of New York.
To be real I'm sick af and unable to do much outside of this. I like explaining the religion to outside people and talking about it. I went too hard in this thread, I personally find this event more humorous than anything else.


This are just your personal fringe interpretations.
I have shown you the interpretations of Chabad, Haredi and you have only your personal interpretation to offer.
Its literally the Talmudic take on it from one of the most important contributors who regularly interacted with Edomites. I checked the prophecy in the original Hebrew just for you and it talks about Beit Yakkov (House of Israel) and Beit Yosef (house of Joseph) burning Beit Edom (house of Edom) to stubble. The reason why I believe this explanation is because the order to genocide amalek translates to

Remember what Amalek did to you on the road, on your way out of Egypt. That he encountered you on the way, and cut off those lagging to your rear, when you were tired and exhausted; he did not fear G‑d. Therefore . . . you must obliterate the memory of Amalek from under the heavens. Do not forget. (Deuteronomy 25:17–19)


The only other part of the Tanach that talks about the future mass deaths of the enemies of Jews talks about the nation in general but the prophet Obadiah went to pains to talk about the house of edom, wasting words when the Torah is known to be laconic. Based off this I personally believe the explanation that I gave.

"ל ההיא נקרתא דהוה עיילא מביתיה לבית רבי כל יומא הוה מייתי תרי עבדי חד קטליה אבבא דבי רבי וחד קטליה אבבא דביתיה א"ל בעידנא דאתינא לא נשכח גבר קמך

The Gemara relates anther anecdote involving Antoninus. Antoninus had a certain underground cave from which there was a tunnel that went from his house to the house of Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi. Every day he would bring two servants to serve him. He would kill one at the entrance of the house of Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, and would kill the other one at the entrance of his house, so that no living person would know that he had visited Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi. He said to Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi: When I come to visit, let no man be found before you.



what is it with you guys and murder tunnels?
That's a roman murder tunnel tbf :^)
 
The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their
dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary,
and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves
simply played stupid. If all this didn’t help, they pretended not
to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a
hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they im-
mediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again
attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what
you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of
these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which
divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next
moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these
fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he
couldn’t help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken
you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the
next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day
before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at
all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amaze-
ment; he couldn’t remember a thing, except that he had proved
the correctness of his assertions the previous day.

Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck.

I didn’t know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their
tongues or their virtuosity at lying.

Gradually I began to hate them.
 
The West = edom/esau
it talks about Beit Yakkov (House of Israel) and Beit Yosef (house of Joseph) burning Beit Edom (house of Edom) to stubble.
You just said exactly what I said, but 3 post apart.

But please explain to me how burning America and Europe to stubble actually means only the really bad goys will get destroyed.


In Judaism "repairing the world" means all goy need to be subjugated and grovel before the supremacy of Jews.
Honestly Jews are the most unhinged of all Arab tribes.
 
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