Business Thousands of Software Engineers Say the Job Market Is Getting Much Worse - 9,388 engineers polled by Motherboard and Blind said AI will lead to less hiring. Only 6% were confident they'd get another job with the same pay.


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For much of the 21st century, software engineering has been seen as one of the safest havens in the tenuous and ever-changing American job market.

But there are a growing number of signs that the field is starting to become a little less secure and comfortable, due to an industry-wide downturn and the looming threat of artificial intelligence that is spurring growing competition for software jobs.

“The amount of competition is insane,” said Joe Forzano, an unemployed software engineer who has worked at the mental health startup Alma and private equity giant Blackstone.

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Since he lost his job in March, Forzano has applied to over 250 jobs. In six cases, he went through the “full interview gauntlet,” which included between six and eight interviews each, before learning he had been passed over. “It has been very, very rough,” he told Motherboard.

Forzano is not alone in his pessimism, according to a December survey of 9,338 software engineers performed on behalf of Motherboard by Blind, an online anonymous platform for verified employees. In the poll, nearly nine in 10 surveyed software engineers said it is more difficult to get a job now than it was before the pandemic, with 66 percent saying it was “much harder.”

Nearly 80 percent of respondents said the job market has even become more competitive over the last year. Only 6 percent of the software engineers were “extremely confident” they could find another job with the same total compensation if they lost their job today while 32 percent said they were “not at all confident.”

Over 2022 and 2023, the tech sector incurred more than 400,000 layoffs, according to the tracking site Layoffs.fyi. But up until recently, it seemed software engineers were more often spared compared to their co-workers in non-technical fields. One analysis found tech companies cut their recruiting teams by 50 percent, compared to only 10 percent of their engineering departments. At Salesforce, engineers were four times less likely to lose their jobs than those in marketing and sales, which Bloomberg has said is a trend replicated at other tech companies such as Dell and Zoom.

But signs of dread among software engineers have started to become more common online. In December, one Amazon employee wrote a long post on the anonymous employee platform Blind saying that the “job market is terrible” and that he was struggling to get interviews of any sort.

The situation is a stark shift from much of the past two decades, when computer science degrees and coding bootcamps exploded in popularity due to the financial security they both promised. Entry-level Google software engineers reportedly earned almost $200,000 a year and lived a life full of splashy perks, and engineers always seemed in high demand, meaning the next job was never hard to find.

As an undergraduate at the University of Pennsylvania in the early 2010s, Forzano had decided to major in computer science. The degree had put him in $180,000 of debt, but he saw it as a calculated bet on a sturdy field of work. “The whole concept was [that] it was a good investment to have that ‘Ivy League degree’ in an engineering field,” he said. He thought he’d be set for life.

Early in his career, that seemed to be true. Recruiters spammed him with opportunities, and he was easily able to jump from job to job and became a manager. The field felt so secure that the phrase “learn to code” became a mocking rejoinder whenever people in other fields expressed concern about their own job prospects online.

But the messages from recruiters have largely dried up since the pandemic, and getting the sort of jobs software engineers took for granted has become much harder. “There's just so much fucking competition,” he said. “It's a completely different landscape.” Thinking back to his decision to major in computer science as an undergraduate, he said he now feels “very naive.”

With the entrance of artificial intelligence into the conversation recently, there have been signs of a sea change in the coding world. AI programs that allow users to write code using natural language or auto-complete code were among the first wave of AI tools to take off. Google CEO Sundar Pichai said last year that AI-powered coding tools had reduced the time it takes workers to complete code by 6 percent.

“In the age of AI, computer science is no longer the safe major,” Kelli María Korducki wrote in The Atlantic in September. Matt Welsh, an entrepreneur who used to serve as a computer science professor at Harvard, told the magazine that the ability of AI to perform software engineering functions could lead to less job security and lower compensation for all but the very best in the software trade.

As of December, software engineers were not expressing much concern about AI making their jobs redundant. Only 28 percent saying they were “very” or “slightly” concerned in the Blind poll, and 72 percent saying they were “not really” or “not at all” concerned.

But when not considering their own situation, the software engineering world’s views on AI became markedly less optimistic. More than 60 percent of those surveyed said they believed their company would hire fewer people because of AI moving forward.

Forzano has not been shy about his trouble, sharing his pursuit for a new job on social media. The decision has led him to feel less alone, he said, as other tech workers expressed similar frustration about not being able to get interviews for jobs they felt overqualified for.

“We're all kind of like, ‘What the fuck is happening?’” he said.



Techbros... we got too cocky...

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On a more serious note, it's not that AI will sweep in and "took are jeeeerbs", the whole market is readjusting and with it, there will be lots of losses in the process. Just be sure to have an exit plan, no matter what.
 
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Lol. If you're the average run off the mill webshit "developer" whose job consists of copypasting JS boilerplate from stackoverflow and scrolling twitter while waiting for gigabytes of libraries to download on your local starbucks wifi, you should be scared for your career, and not just because of AI either. People who work on critical systems, realtime, anything requiring any kind of niche expertise or certification have nothing to be afraid of.

I've been perplexed since day 1 of chatgpt by how many people are absolutely freaking out that AI is gonna replace all programmers. That's about as likely as AI replacing all accountants. Sounds very nice in theory but you can't risk actually implementing it.
 
They're hiring Indians like crazy and increased interest rates means they aren't creating risky products.

Lol. If you're the average run off the mill webshit "developer" whose job consists of copypasting JS boilerplate from stackoverflow and scrolling twitter while waiting for gigabytes of libraries to download on your local starbucks wifi, you should be scared for your career, and not just because of AI either.
It's past the "webshit" /g/ meme. The layoffs have hit all sorts of tech jobs.
People who work on critical systems, realtime, anything requiring any kind of niche expertise or certification have nothing to be afraid of.
I don't think you've actually navigated the job market the past 6 months.
 
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lmao Forzano is a Javascript developer, no fucking shit he isn't finding work.
Bitch about tech companies using an endless horde of Indians to bypass paying Americans to write code all you want, the only way this specimen could be more replaceable is if he wrote nothing but Ruby on Rails.
 
Bitch about tech companies using an endless horde of Indians to bypass paying Americans to write code all you want, the only way this specimen could be more replaceable is if he wrote nothing but Ruby on Rails.
Corporate america only hired 6% white since st floyd died, and now there are lawsuits that said they sought to fire white with every WFR.
Tech is even more woke than normal corporate.
And let's not pretend the hiring process is at all competent, either.
 
I don't think you've actually navigated the job market the past 6 months.
You'd be wrong then. I've had my current job for just over half a year. Maybe burgers have it worse right now but I had absolutely no problem finding a position and that's even though I was looking for companies in a different sector than my previous jobs were in.
I think part of the recipe for success is not chasing exclusively meme technologies and meme companies like FAGMAN. Turns out that if you end up learning the exact same shit everyone else (including jeets) is already learning, you'll often find yourself redundant and easily replaceable. I see this most often in people who go for an IT career because they think it's easy money even though they don't really give a fuck about tech, or they fancy themselves great businessmen who have the bestest and uniquest idea for osme shitty startup. Many such cases.
 
I see this most often in people who go for an IT career because they think it's easy money even though they don't really give a fuck about tech, or they fancy themselves great businessmen who have the bestest and uniquest idea for osme shitty startup. Many such cases.
Aw man, that's me. I wanna learn but at the same time I dread that I'm just going to be as valuable as a pajeet is. I have no idea what to learn.
 
Aw man, that's me. I wanna learn but at the same time I dread that I'm just going to be as valuable as a pajeet is. I have no idea what to learn.
If nothing else coding is still a great hobby, I can only say go for it. Start with an area that interests you and try to build up a hobby project. You could make a simple videogame, a script to automate some shit you do on your computer, or some basic DIY IoT or anything else you like.
 
An engineering job that requires a security clearance is a lot more stable
"Requires a security clearance: No we will not sponsor you getting one"
Yet another iteration of "5 years experience required on (x technology only 2 years old)"
Which brings me back to the hiring process being an absurd, incompetent, and now racist crapshoot.
 
"i was fine despite the economy being absolutely in the shitter so i'm going to victim-blame"

Fuck you.
Yeah no I wasn't fine at all. I was working for an American company who were also laying people off and struggling and they refused to give me a raise or update my contract after I had been asking for quite a while. So I did what everyone in that situation should do and I quit and found a better job. I'm not trying to humblebrag, it's just the truth.
 
I'm not trying to humblebrag,
No, you're doing something much more vicious.
In a sector that has shed a combined 45% headcount, is on hiring freezes, and is actively discriminating against white people, you imply it's a "skill issue".

It's straight-up gaslighting.

The only thing more disgusting is the beat cop who returns an escaped victim to her serial killer's door.

it's just the truth.
Is your new job "lobbyist in D.C. for more H-1B visas"?
 
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Aw man, that's me. I wanna learn but at the same time I dread that I'm just going to be as valuable as a pajeet is. I have no idea what to learn.

Go explore a bit and learn the basics, that's how I got started. I suggest starting at back end developer and then going into the learning python path, from there you can go pretty much anywhere you want.
 
you imply it's a "skill issue".
Because it is. I'm sorry if you've decided to become a web dev once and stay a web dev forever and now it's not working out for you and what I'm saying offends you, but you've chosen to be the English major of programming and there's only so much demand for what you do at the rates you want to be paid.
Sure we can spend some time rambling about how badly the hiring processes and IT job market are fucked and how much we hate pajeets and I'll agree with you on all of that, but that won't change the reality that a lot of these people have willingly made a bad career decision. Ultimately you are responsible for your own career success.
 
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