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Will Ukraine’s Refugees Want to Go Back Home? (Archive)
Based on cursory observations, Russia is looking at a long-term victory. The Uks who fled were wealthier and better educated causing a major brain drain on the country. Their population was already in decline but the sudden diaspora is a death blow. They left and are not coming back. Those people, who are crucial not only to your fighting force in the short term but rebuilding the country in the long term, are gone.

Sometime in the next 2 quarters, I predict a bloodless coup will happen while Zelensky is rattling his tip jar in some other country.
It would be hilarious if Ukraine has the coup and surrenders, fully expecting Russia to take the whole country only for Russia to go "ew fuck no we're just taking this half, no touchie"
 
Supposedly this is a clip from the speech he gave in the Baltics claiming Ukraine has shot down a dozen planes and two dozen helicopters in a single day. Can anyone translate? That would be pretty funny.


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This is a quick and dirty translation of the entire event. I got the Ukrainian from youtube transcript and then ran it through a translator. Not pretty but it should give an idea of what he said.

I'll add spoiler tags later.

user It's Been a tough Day for you Mr President Today the president of estonia
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symbolically added the highest Military War to Ukrainian
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soldier and my question is which Act of heroism of Ukrainianure
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has
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Thank you for your question and starting with your first line or
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it was a difficult day compared to the days that are on the battlefield at the front
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people who defend the state on the first line have children who have
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they study and gain knowledge in the subway or gain knowledge underground
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in bomb shelters, this is simple compared to this
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the day to be in Ukraine to fight for your homes to fight for your families -
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this is not an act of heroism. I have a dialogue with you now
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this is not an argument for the fact that we are fighting for survival for existence
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We know exactly the price of Freedom, and she
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it is high and, unfortunately, it is not even now, because the war is not
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that's why the act of heroism to be in Ukraine and everywhere on
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to fight for it is such I consider our human way And those who
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every day these two years are on the front line every day They
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every day they move heroically, move a little forward
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to the main result of a just Peace, which we deserve absolutely
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law and according to the law legally and according to the law of dignity and according to all the laws of God
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I'm in it
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sure to
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pleas Good evening My name is Eva Varna TV from TV3
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Latvia, I will ask the Ukrainian language, we and the operator every month
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we work in the country, we also meet with the military and citizens
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ukrainians We see with our own eyes how difficult and difficult the situation is
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at the same time, the advanced support of Western partners has now been delayed both in Washington and in
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ask Brussels questions, please tell me what the main lines are
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delay in making a decision Thank you very much
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thank you for your question. I think that the answer is, if not at all, and partly I
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I think you yourself have your own question because you started with what you are and constantly in
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Ukraine with military and civilians constantly with people I want to thank you
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for this and this important thing, I believe that I understand the war
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I don't push anyone and any insults. I just want to say that you understand to
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the end of the war, what we are fighting for and how it should be in Ukraine may not even be
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journalists constantly have their own lives in their countries, etc. But nevertheless at least
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sometimes understand where we see the difference and the spirit difference what is now what
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there was a difference in aid and a difference in the impact of this
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benefits and risks A risks of delay
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help well, let's take one example with you just so you don't go too far
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deep into this discussion, I would take, for example, simply against the air
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defense because I can take sanctions, I can take with you the issue of wage finances
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pension or benefits for people social benefits for people with disabilities, etc. are many different
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challenges and in each of these aspects the delay has definitely no effect
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positively, we are normal people, not pessimists, but in war we are probably realists, but with
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you know this way with a sense of optimism, because without optimism there will be no Victory in this
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I'm sure, but from partners We would like them to be
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sutorealists understood how these terms affect those risks and those losses that
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there are us and as I told you, we will take the issue of anti-aircraft
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I am grateful to all my partners for their defense, especially those who gave it to us
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the ability to fight for your life and survive is anti-aircraft defense
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patrott nms Ast Hawk systems are the main main ones and many more
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various things that help with something But if we are talking about serious missile strikes there
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where there are 100 PS or there are a dozen daggers in one day of ballistics or there are drones
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a total of 200 blows, for example, on the heads of military children. Everyone is here
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without, for example, petriots, it is impossible to survive from one
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on the other hand, I am grateful from this people of Ukraine for the fact that we have it on the other hand
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And how to live peacefully and sleep if you understand that you have dozens of them
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systems and in Ukraine, if they gave seven systems today, then people in Kharkiv in Kherson in
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Odessa would not die. It is possible to live normally with this. Well, I will honestly tell you frankly how I am
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man I don't understand it
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partners know that some weapons that they gave us some I will not say now
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what kind of long-range weapon do the partners listen to understand that they are to us
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we gave, we destroyed 26 helicopters per day, 12 planes that went up and hit
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then the missiles against which these systems worked
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destroyed now was just something and here the second
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the question is yes. So we will pass it on to you and we will tell you very much
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Thank you, but there is some delay and they came there because
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for months I can't talk about ours yet
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losses but Take these losses in two years and according to Tim will divide them simply into
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quarters and understand how many people we lost in those three months. I'm just talking about
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long-range weapons or air defense weapons because I consider long-range weapons that destroyed
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russian planes that went up to bomb us, this is not a war, it was our protection and
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this long-range weapon was not an attack by anyone, it is part against the air
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defense of Ukraine because we destroyed them who attacked us and who controlled us
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completely sky and because how to say that it's simple
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this is the large number of dead people
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delay if we say or need not speak
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who do you need, for example
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The United States has it both in the States and in Europe, etc. Do you need help
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today or Well, we have a question inside and then there will be help
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in two months or a month, but we assure you, we support you, we support you
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we assure you, it will be. I will just answer you a lot
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contracts that we buy with our money, weapons that we buy with our money
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a lot of everything we produce and a lot of everything we get as help and
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when there is no funding We must understand that And we cannot help but give
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pension for pensioners I am not putting pressure on pity or on something we cannot
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it is simply impossible not to give it to them, because old people will die like that and so it will
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there will be medicine, there are some other questions. During the war, and that is why we have more than 11 million pensioners
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it's not a joke more than 11 million or many such countries in Europe are not very much A or
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there is at least one country where there are 11.5 million pensioners, given that during the war
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When someone went abroad, most of the pensioners did not go, they stayed
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at home, these are old people, they stayed at home and they need European help
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thank our partners once again for the financial assistance and you support it everywhere, but
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let's be honest, no one supports pensioners except
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states again without any hints Well, I'm just saying when you give
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a pensioner or a person with a disability who has not gone anywhere because
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she is unable to go and when the war shocked us and people ran
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saving the lives of children, first of all, this was how people who should have needed it were
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no one went anywhere for physical assistance, everyone stayed in Ukraine and all this on
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on the shoulders of those who live in Ukraine and our partners and that's when
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financial assistance to them for pensions is delayed and We cannot allow them to spend
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money help for defense and for our military We have no right you know
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this is financial assistance from partners, so we give them for pensions means at this time
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We don't buy weapons We don't buy protection for ourselves
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fact And so at this time you saved the life of one person and someone gave his life for it
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this is what a delay is like. I just gave you an example
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and air defense, and there are many such challenges, and they are
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daily Well, we stand. I want again. I don't want anyone to feel sorry for us because we are strong
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people feel sorry for it, you know. This is the last thing you don't need
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thank you, your question, please, Good afternoon, Mr. President, if possible
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in Ukrainian, Bulaska Emilia Gasparian is a multimedia platform of Latvian television for national Manshin sir
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president, unfortunately, Latvia still has a part of society that still supports Putin and is waiting to be somewhere here
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Russia, what would you say to this part of society, what happens when it comes
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Russia AE does not want to invent anything and there is an example of Ukraine and that's all
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it was very simple that the Russian Federation came to Crimea and
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and annexed and if
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people did not come out with weapons to fight for their own and their own
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freedom, then over time you will lose your independence. Well, everything is connected with it
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a lot of things for someone, the most important tradition for someone is the language of someone for
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someone And some other values and all these are very important
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the value of not losing yourself is not losing your state, not losing your independence, all this is about freedom, and someone will not be able to live with it
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and he will simply go abroad to another country and lose the Motherland
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but if you pick something up and get yourself out
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protect You will be killed and tortured until you can defend yourself
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there is probably a lot of yourself here with the help of partners or in some other way
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there are no alternatives, to be honest, and therefore if you are ready to give your chew all your life and
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convert as you say example Latvia in
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the Latvian region of the Russian Federation is not these people then, they are ready not to fight
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but I know that your people will fight. And this means that this means that they will be
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kill This is what it means and why someone supports politics
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or thinks that it will surely be beautiful or
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a lot of a-a-ch
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counts on counting on the fact that the TV will protect them and live by them
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unfortunately, our narratives are a fairy tale that never
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come true Thank you for your question
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please wherever he came wherever he came
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Putin everywhere Where he came no economic growth
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loss of identity everywhere frozen conflict everywhere absolutely
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he did all this by analogy. Here is Georgia. Here, please, they are there together
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thousands of people were destroyed from Syria, here is the same thing for you in Moldova
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he does in Ukraine
 
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Maybe this is just an evil thought i had, but the Ukrainians really should have trained up entire units full of kidnappers and vanish as many men from the EU as possible to serve in the war. There is really no downside to it because the EU won't dare go against them. i'm also surprised they didn't think to do the same thing only have a forced prostitution unit, they could even advertise it "10 minutes of fun for every day serving" the EU doesn't give a fuck about their citizens so just kidnapping them en masse to serve as blood for the war would have been an amazing decision. Again the EU would rather lose than turn on ukraine so they should have gone all in. Maybe go even further and kidnap politicans or their family and say the russians did it and that they have to pay them millions but only you can give them the money.

Ukraine should have gone full evil at the beginning when people's ability to like them was still high, as it stands they have 12 more months of meat grinding before the war ends.
 
Maybe this is just an evil thought i had, but the Ukrainians really should have trained up entire units full of kidnappers and vanish as many men from the EU as possible to serve in the war. There is really no downside to it because the EU won't dare go against them. i'm also surprised they didn't think to do the same thing only have a forced prostitution unit, they could even advertise it "10 minutes of fun for every day serving" the EU doesn't give a fuck about their citizens so just kidnapping them en masse to serve as blood for the war would have been an amazing decision. Again the EU would rather lose than turn on ukraine so they should have gone all in. Maybe go even further and kidnap politicans or their family and say the russians did it and that they have to pay them millions but only you can give them the money.

Ukraine should have gone full evil at the beginning when people's ability to like them was still high, as it stands they have 12 more months of meat grinding before the war ends.
Yeah they should send out autonomous trains full of Terminator units to kidnap random people from Europe. Just drive it through stop signals and unset switches all the way to fucking Wien Hautbahnhof or Gare du Nord, open the doors, get on the floor, and everyone walk the dinosaur.
 
It would be hilarious if Ukraine has the coup and surrenders, fully expecting Russia to take the whole country only for Russia to go "ew fuck no we're just taking this half, no touchie"
That is how the Mexican American war played out.

Members of Congress from mostly Southern states opposed annexation of Mexico due to fears of the White and Protestant Christian character of the nation going into the shitter.
 
That is how the Mexican American war played out.

Members of Congress from mostly Southern states opposed annexation of Mexico due to fears of the White and Protestant Christian character of the nation going into the shitter.
in the end Mexico became more Christian and I wonder what their demographics look like?
 
Russia probably really doesn't want to pay the pensions for all the old people in Ukraine.
I said many many many pages back that Russia doesn't need to take all of the Ukraine to defeat Ukraine. The country owes so much money to western interests that Putin would be transferring that debt to himself if he takes all of Ukraine.

He could leave a strip of land and leave that to Blackrock to scoop up, while holding onto the parts he has taken without spending extra resources capturing any more land.
 
I said many many many pages back that Russia doesn't need to take all of the Ukraine to defeat Ukraine. The country owes so much money to western interests that Putin would be transferring that debt to himself if he takes all of Ukraine.

He could leave a strip of land and leave that to Blackrock to scoop up, while holding onto the parts he has taken without spending extra resources capturing any more land.

Would he have to pay? How does Blackrock view the sanctions?

I think it all depends on how BR would be with the Ruskies. If they sanctioned them, Putin may just shrug as they stopped doing business with him.

If BR however didn't obey the sanctions, he would have to pay or loose face.
 
Yeah they should send out autonomous trains full of Terminator units to kidnap random people from Europe. Just drive it through stop signals and unset switches all the way to fucking Wien Hautbahnhof or Gare du Nord, open the doors, get on the floor, and everyone walk the dinosaur.
Stop signals?

The uke ubermench should just steal Elons boring Company secrets and build a truly secred underground train network spanning all of europe.
Then without warning, the terminator nuke trains will just surface, without warning, in central paris and take over all of europe.

Secret cross-continental underground train tunnels!
 
"We have even lost soldiers because of a booby-trapped pack of Pepsi cans."
Man, that's a low blow. I don't remember where I saw it, but there was a study or some shit that mentioned that Bepis is the most popular carbonated non-alcoholic beverage in both Russia and Ukraine.
 
There is this delusion that even though most of the technology is made outside the US, that US law can somehow control its sale and distribution. Those days are long over. This is what "free trade", a "global economy" and outsourcing mean. The US doesn't have that kind of power anymore.
One of the rare exceptions where tech is NOT coming from the US is semiconductors. The high end, of course. ASML is from the Netherlands. Short term, that means nothing, the fabs are already built, they work. Mid term, the de facto monopoly of ASML on the high end manufacturing equipment could be used for something, even be the US, since the EU is their bitch, and ASML has too many ties to the US already. Long term this would force others to finally catch up, which might be a good thing for a less globalist world.
 
One of the rare exceptions where tech is NOT coming from the US is semiconductors. The high end, of course. ASML is from the Netherlands. Short term, that means nothing, the fabs are already built, they work. Mid term, the de facto monopoly of ASML on the high end manufacturing equipment could be used for something, even be the US, since the EU is their bitch, and ASML has too many ties to the US already. Long term this would force others to finally catch up, which might be a good thing for a less globalist world.
I would say maybe mid term, not long term.
When you actively push someone away from your tech, you at the same time encourage the others to develop their own technology and catch up.
Sanctions on tech works when you sanction countries like Ethiopia but not when you sanction a country with a higher GDP than you.
Then add on that the US colleges mainly produce gender studies graduates while China mainly produces top tier STEM graduates.

The risk is real that in a decade China will surpass the technology of the west. They have an order of magnitude more STEM graduates to build something that matches and then surpasses it.
 
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