Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Cuckoman said:
I would say maybe mid term, not long term.
When you actively push someone away from your tech, you at the same time encourage the others to develop their own technology and catch up.
Sanctions on tech works when you sanction countries like Ethiopia but not when you sanction a country with a higher GDP than you.
Then add on that the US colleges mainly produce gender studies graduates while China mainly produces top tier STEM graduates.

The risk is real that in a decade China will surpass the technology of the west. They have an order of magnitude more STEM graduates to build something that matches and then surpasses it.
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And they are the #1 industrial power in the world. They actually make shit that everybody else wants/needs.
 
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Cuckoman said:
The uke ubermench should just steal Elons boring Company secrets and build a truly secred underground train network spanning all of europe.
Then without warning, the terminator nuke trains will just surface, without warning, in central paris and take over all of europe.
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First the New York Jews, and now the Ukrainian jews are digging tunnels!
 
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Get the rope Macaulay! said:
Maybe this is just an evil thought i had, but the Ukrainians really should have trained up entire units full of kidnappers and vanish as many men from the EU as possible to serve in the war.
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This is something that crossed my mind as well. No one would bat an eye, if fighting age men started disappearing in Hungary. Everybody hates us, cause we resist Big Gay and use our veto as a bargaining chip. I believe they are not very keen on doing stuff like this, because a bunch of foreigners, whom were dragged to the frontline against their will, would likely surrender, or even cause a mutiny. Plus, we do not really speak each other's languages, so a unit of Polish, Hungarian, Estonian, Lithuanian, etc. and Ukrainian soldiers wouldn't really work. I do not completely rule out such lunatic actions, because the Ukrainian leadership and their westesrn masters, lost their fucking mind, but I hope they never resort to something like this.
 
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Cuckoman said:
When you actively push someone away from your tech, you at the same time encourage the others to develop their own technology and catch up.
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Yes, but. I think you underestimate the complexity of EUV lithography and the massive tree of complex components ASML assembles. That machine is more complicated than space exploration stuff. You not only need to replicate what ASML does, you have to replicate Zeiss and all the other, extreme precision components.
 
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Cuckoman said:
The risk is real that in a decade China will surpass the technology of the west. They have an order of magnitude more STEM graduates to build something that matches and then surpasses it.
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I have controversial beliefs regarding this outlook.

China, and for that matter, India, both suffer from a problem wherein they have adopted the Western academic system without the culture to back it. Academia from its inception was just a means to an end - and in my experience, just because someone has qualifications in a specific area doesn't indicate that they will be more innovative or productive. It simply means that they have jumped through the appropriate hoops.

China in particular has shown frequent shortcomings in spite of the academic role. At best, they imitate the West and copy Western technology. I believe that the Western use of technology was not a result of academia, but rather, academia was one of several hubs of innovative "qualities".

These innovative qualities are simply the paperwork equivalent of "problem solving" - and Europeans still seem to be close to number one. This war is a fantastic example of that - how deadly it became and how quickly new technology adapted. There are I am unsure of the exact origin of this, but it seems that Europeans are far more likely to employ "out-of-the-box" thinking and creativity, spurring on an incredible amount of scientific advancement. We've had drones for years and they have seen some use, but chopping up RPGs and using the drones as miniature bombers is impressive.

Similarly, they started using electric scooters for their infantry at one point - which is, again, something the Taliban or ISIS could have been doing for years. The only time I have ever seen anything close to it was Hamas on October 7th - which was more of an Israeli failure than anything else.

It's like they've missed the point, entirely. Academia is supposed to be a way for people with unique perspectives to develop, share or hone skills. For a fitness comparison, it's like watching someone who works out daily and then gets knocked out in one punch as soon as they have an actual fight.

India seems to show the same lack of potential, but this may be bias because of extreme medical negligence. This is very visible in the medical field and isn't only a problem with Indians - it's a field where skilled doctors are in such a high demand that it draws a lot of prestige and money. But as a result, the innate qualities of problem-solving, curiosity and pattern recognition are not present in many people in those fields. This extends to Engineering too - if, in Europe, you were to have an excellent idea for a product, even if you were not an Engineer, it would still be accepted if it was good enough. In most of the world, it would be rejected outright because you are not an Engineer. If a random guy was playing around with chemicals and discovered the cure for cancer, he would be accepted as a biomedical scientist on the spot in Europe. But in China, nobody would ever know, because his evidence would be rejected outright.

It seems that there is a fundamental difference in the concept of innovation, itself. For some, it seems to mean "improving on an existing concept or design" while for others, "developing a superior concept or design" - while I may be wrong, I am struggling to think of anything which was ever made obsolete by Chinese or Indian innovations.

For example - much of the world is now dependent on a handful of chemical processes developed in the late 1800s and early 1900s, such as the Haber process. But, at the time, this was the result of fear - Germans were terrified that Britain would starve them out via their monopoly on fertiliser. Most countries, such as India or China, would have negotiated or tried to find an alternative source of sodium nitrate. Somehow, Germany started to produce it from the fucking air.

This would also apply to the Wright Brothers in the United States, the more recent example of the company "Accuracy International", and a significant portion of innovations in the 20th century come from a thorough understanding of, and willingness to challenge, conventional practices. This is far less common outside of Europe. Russia, somehow, invented the heavy bomber way back in 1913 - so this quality is clearly present, in abundance, with Russians - potentially more so than anyone else.

The only other major country outside of Europe which has shown this quality is, surprisingly, Japan - which, despite its reputation of oppressive standards and a lack of personal freedom, still pulled off similarly innovative strategies during the Second World War. Like the bicycle offensive in Singapore.

With that in mind, I would say that the largest risk to American technological dominance is the EU-Russia arrangement that the United States seems so utterly terrified of. While China and India seem to be able to copy, they seem to fail at innovating beyond it, or exploring new uses for existing technology. But the EU and Russia both can, and often do, exceed the USA in technological advancement and this "additional" quality which I've explored a little.

Their actions on the nordstream pipe seem to confirm that fear - the idea that they would lethargically allow China to steal so much, but fucking panic and start dropping depth charges at the idea of a Russian-EU cooperation is very understandable, if it poses an existential threat to the USA.
 
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>Giant river of shit forms in Kiev due to burst sewer
>Sunak makes unannounced visit to Kiev
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Sirs, take me to the giant lake of shit, I must do the needful.
 
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The giant penis of doom said:
One of the rare exceptions where tech is NOT coming from the US is semiconductors. The high end, of course. ASML is from the Netherlands. Short term, that means nothing, the fabs are already built, they work. Mid term, the de facto monopoly of ASML on the high end manufacturing equipment could be used for something, even be the US, since the EU is their bitch, and ASML has too many ties to the US already. Long term this would force others to finally catch up, which might be a good thing for a less globalist world.
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The Netherlands is de facto US of A's bitch. They made sure of that post war via offers programs for Dutch students/citizens to come to the United States for cultural, educational, and professional exchanges. And a lot of Dutch citizens took that opportunity encouraged also by Dutch government at that time (especially in 1950 to 1970.

Core and the bases of engineering and other know how in the Netherlands was formed in the USA.

Not of course just scientists and engineers. A lot of Dutch politician also businessmen etc. Have a bias towards America. CIA also took advantaged of that by recruiting people. Hence why the politician, media are so cucked here towards America.

Heck, It's well known that Dutch intelligence service is part of the CIA in all but name.


Speaking of engineers i knew one that in the 60's went to White Plains High School in White Plains, NY as an exchange student.

I dated his daughter. The fucker cried tears of joy when Obama got elected.


The giant penis of doom said:
Yes, but. I think you underestimate the complexity of EUV lithography and the massive tree of complex components ASML assembles. That machine is more complicated than space exploration stuff. You not only need to replicate what ASML does, you have to replicate Zeiss and all the other, extreme precision components.
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You'd be surprised at actually how much Russia was involved with ASML.



A 2-hour long presentation and discussion about the development of EUV lithography in Russia. They are intimately familiar with the work of ASML devices because... They helped to develop parts of them.

For one of examples, the theoretical work for the most complicated part of the EUV lithograph, The 14.5 nm radiation source, has been done by the Institute of Spectroscopy of the Russian Academy of Sciences. The reason for that is that the IoS RAS has been building and selling 14.5 nm radiation sources for a long time, albeit with a smaller power output, unsuitable for lithography. But the physics of evaporating a bead of ionized liquid lead using a high-power laser is the same, no matter the output.


I'm actually quite surprised by myself. I knew long ago that with lasers Russia was approached post SU as they were a head of everyone in this field. And that multilayer mirror research done in the 70's in SU was fundamental in the west for EUV tech in the 80's.

But other then that this all new to me.
 
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IamnottheNSA said:
Man, that's a low blow. I don't remember where I saw it, but there was a study or some shit that mentioned that Bepis is the most popular carbonated non-alcoholic beverage in both Russia and Ukraine.
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Having gotten over a life long soda addiction, I can feel for that.

Sure, I still crack one every now and then, but it needs to be said: Soda is degenerate.
 
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sneedpest said:
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More info from March last year.
Wagnerian signed a new contract to rescue his wife.

Dmitry Karavaichik was convicted for the production and sale of drugs, and then, following Prigozhin's call, he went to fight in the Wagner PMC. After fighting for six months, he was pardoned, and then he signed a new contract.

He did it because not only Dmitry but also his wife was imprisoned. Karavaich's wife, Diana Gribovskaya, an officer's daughter and a physics teacher from St. Petersburg, was also convicted, and she had to spend 11 years in prison.
But recently, it turned out that she had been pardoned (apparently because of her husband's new contract)

Do you agree that everything was resolved beautifully? very romantic and very Russian story.
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Tism the Return II said:
It's so Joever bros...
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I have a friend in the trenches and he is saying that the shelling only intensified over the last couple of days. He is depressed as fuck, wants to go home and doesn't subscribe to the entire "Uktaine has ran out of money and people" narrative. Of course, his observation is purely anecdotal, he may just have the shittiest of luck, but my heart goes out to him and I want him back already. It will soon be two years since he left thinking the shitshow will last for a few months tops.
 
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Myrtle the Turtle said:
Another day I'm glad I don't live in bongland:
Britain’s prime minister is in Ukraine to offer aid and reassurance of West’s support against Moscow (archive)
If you're in the UK, they just signed a package, worth 2.5 billion pounds ($3.2 billion) over the next fiscal year. This is just pissing your country's wealth away.
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Some point with all the boat people coming ashore, Muhammed and Mohammed taking the welfare cheques and sending them back home, and Westminster shitting away all the wealth to Nazi and Barbarian-infested areas, the whole system is gonna come crashing down sooner rather than later (And somehow the EU is in a worse state than us, which is pretty amazing). If that ain't the biggest wakeup call that everyone in the high houses are a bunch of narcissistic dickheads who need to be out of power, I dunno what will be.
 
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