Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Napoleon III]

One of the rare exceptions where tech is NOT coming from the US is semiconductors. The high end, of course. ASML is from the Netherlands. Short term, that means nothing, the fabs are already built, they work. Mid term, the de facto monopoly of ASML on the high end manufacturing equipment could be used for something, even be the US, since the EU is their bitch, and ASML has too many ties to the US already. Long term this would force others to finally catch up, which might be a good thing for a less globalist world.

https://archive.is/Bhwk9 -

China's Premiere Chipmaker Accelerates to 7nm CPU Design Despite US Sanctions​

China is already doing it. I don't believe they have gotten down to 4nm but they have gotten down to 7nm and they have a plan to get down to 4nm and will eventually get there.

There is a concept in business where you can set the price higher because your competitors have to build a whole bunch of expensive infrastructure to compete with you. And so even if they feasibly could compete they don't because it isn't worth it. But this doesn't apply to use of semiconductor technology. China can compete and if it is a matter of National Security they will pay for it.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Looks like CRP is deceased.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1745863377493143906

 

[Tism the Return II]

Looks like CRP is deceased.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1745863377493143906

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Holy shit they actually got him? I wonder if (if true) it'll cause any sort of international repercussions.

 

[IamnottheNSA]

Looks like CRP is deceased.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1745863377493143906

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Show me the body, or else he is as dead as Byuu.
I'll buy it once the State Department has his death recorded as a citizen dying abroad.

 

[Male Idiot]

I doubt hohols would want Hungarians kidnapped to fight for them. Not unless they got explosive collars or are machoistic for fedposts.

9 out of 10 would surrender, 1 would go fedpost for Carpathia.

I mean if you got to die, better make it count, got nothing to loose and nothing to gain by fighting ruskies like a good goy.

 

[Doctor Love]

By what metric?

In general - average income, wages, affordability of goods, living costs, access to medical services...

The UK is masked by London and a relative handful of small areas.

Outside of the London sphere, you will find a whole bunch of just... disgusting inadequacy across the country. It's a big buggered by statistics:

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This is the reality - 60% of the UK earns under £20,000 per year. The average rent is £12,000 and that's excluding London. Most people, here, outside of bare necessities have little, if any, expendable income. Infact, not even that - most people seem to avoid eating meat because it costs so much, now.

The median, the 50th percentile, is actually less than £20,000 per year.
The actual numbers they display for the Google, for some bizarre reason, plays a whole bunch of tricks to keep the average higher than it should be. For example, and I am not actually sure how, they seem to count couples who share a household as a "single household income" - giving the "median average" figure they publish for statistics. In short, it's absolutely untrue - the numbers for a "single adult" is what you should focus on.

I genuinely suspect that they include whole households as "single" for average wages, then detract single people from "household income" for household income. Thus, increasing the average of both.

Unlike other countries which have this huge gap between incomes, the UK has a population of nearly 70,000,000.
With the £20,000 per year, which is around $2000 per month, figure, let's see how the average Briton actually compares with:

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Oh! Maybe Rishi Sunak can explain why the average soldier fighting in Ukraine earns more than the average Brit! 20% more, starting salary!

This isn't some statistical buggery, either. The portion of the UK that earns £20,000 or below is nearly 20,000,000. And this is just the tax brackets by income. There's an entire set of pensioners, disabled people, young families who aren't included in these statistics. These people earn a similar amount, too!

Germany, at its worst, still holds it as around 20% higher (2400 euros) for the median. This can be interpreted up to 3000 euros by the same metric, but it's for an adult individual. There is obviously some fuckery in Germany too. But if there is any country which should earn the title of being third-world masked by a rich elite, it's the UK. By far.

In fact, doing the maths in my head - the 50th percentile for the UK, which is like 19800 or so, is around the 70th percentile of the Russians. Russia. The country which fucking collapsed 30 years ago and is currently at war, with sanctions across the board.

Not only all of that - the "some regions in Russia" bullshit in the article before - while there are around 20,000,000 who earn below below £20,000 in the UK,
Russia has around 30-40,000,000 people who earn above that. Again. Russia. I would hazard a guess and actually say that, after CoL is taken into account, the average Russian has more to spend than the average Brit.

If you earn above $4000 per month, you are above 90% of the UK.

Let's use Russia again since it's well worth the comparison.

At $2000 per month, well, poor Russia is at around $1200 per month. So fuck them, right? We're better than Russia, right?

Except the difference in average rent, for a single apartment in a city, is around $800.

The average Russian, a country which is currently sanctioned and blockaded and we are spending massive amounts of money to help Ukraine against...

Actually comes out as BETTER than the average Briton. The 50th percentile for both, when you include the cost of living:

$2000 to $1200

Subtract $800-1500 for the Brit, and $250-500 for the Russian.

You get [1200-500] and [950-700]
Include bills, like food. Around $100 for a thin, healthy Brit. Around $50 for the Russian, exclusively due to price gouging and tax.
Then utilities, petrol, taxes - you quickly see that the average Russian - not the shitty "muh special algorithm says Russia bad" - the reality of the average Russian man or woman working a full day's work...

Well, shit, the Russian actually ends up better off. This is the level of outright destitution, here.

 

[Male Idiot]

That is gross and not net income right? Am I poorer than the average Russian? Damn.

 

[Doctor Love]

That is gross and not net income right? Am I poorer than the average Russian? Damn.

Raw income for both. The UK uses magic shit to try to make itself look better. Every country calculates it differently, so I tried my best to find the actual raw value - the pure dollar amount - that the average Brit takes home and the average Russian.

Sorry for formatting, I had like six tabs open. They hide the actual numbers way down the list.

The 50th percentiles for the UK, and 90th percentiles, are fucked up by statistical magic. Just taking any concentration on it, you find that the actual reality faced by most people in the UK puts us as a second world, developing economy by any real, honest metric.

We have a real problem, here. There's absolutely no truth to most of what you read about the UK. If you don't believe me, take a trip - skip London's city center, rent a car and go drive anywhere outside of the ring road.

While Sunak is out spaffing around Zelenskyy's guys, he's trying to distract from the fact that the UK is down to second-world. They can keep trying to play statistics, but the truth comes through every time.

The average Brit - the median salary - is only around £1600 and when you exclude London, it's even lower.

I can do the costs here, too, if you'd like. I just need actual values and I can try to get the "real" differences. We're fed constant propaganda about how lucky we are to live in the West, when in reality we're little more than debt-slaves.

 

[Doctor Love]

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To continue along the same vein, I'll compare it in Euros.

Average rent stays the same, but average Euro value is 1861.

Once you include average rents, too, which - being extremely generous to the UK side, and fucking off council tax and such and using the average rent in Germany (which is lower, and for a larger property)

You end up with a difference of over a thousand euros per month. And that is considering the average UK rent is, depending on the source, 40% higher than Germany.

The average German worker has a thousand more to spend each month than the average Brit.

The average Briton is, once you take into account living expenses, thanks to that fucking colossal, flat rate of literally thousands per month, stuck at a horrifyingly low income level.

The bottom 90% of Britain, even being stupidly generous and saying $4000 per month, is more like $2000 after those costs are taken into account.

So when you see that 90% of the UK has less than $2000 after expenses, you can draw a comparison. Even being extra generous - the economies of scale work against the UK. Once you start taking into account differences like mortgages, cars, transport costs - everything means that the average Brit genuinely has a standard of living closer to African countries than to anywhere else.

You have to subconsciously remove an extra few thousand to find the real values for the UK, and they are practically universal.

There is a $1300 difference in rent costs, flat, between Egypt and London.

But there is only a $1000 difference between Egypt and the UK for income, when the percentiles come into it.

 

[Male Idiot]

The average Hungarian income is 500 to 800 euros after taxes, and rent is anywhere from 300 to 500. You usually don't rent alone, renting is for couples or maybe best friends.

The expenses really depend on how much you use, but you can add another 200 for utilities and food, but mostly the former.

The latter is generally less excessive if you buy the cheapest stuff like flour, noodles, canned meat and so on. An old classmate could make himself food out of 2kgs of rice, 5 carrots, some pepper and chicken gizzards for weeks.

 

[Napoleon III]

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Looks like CRP is deceased.

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1745863377493143906

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I will say that CRP not so much deserved it but he should have known better.

This may be a controversial opinion but states in the middle of a major war are just not going to be very nice to people arguing the points of the country that they are war with. And that is a normal, reasonable and rational thing for those states to do.

I do wish however that Ukraine hadn't killed the guy or at least not in this manner. Killing him wasn't really necessary and probably isn't that useful and if you are going to execute someone do so in public with the full knowledge that said person is being executed. Don't do a mysterious "well he died in prison we're not responsible" act.

Show me the body, or else he is as dead as Byuu.
I'll buy it once the State Department has his death recorded as a citizen dying abroad.

There is always that possibility but I think that this is real. I could be wrong though.

In general - average income, wages, affordability of goods, living costs, access to medical services...

The UK is masked by London and a relative handful of small areas.

Outside of the London sphere, you will find a whole bunch of just... disgusting inadequacy across the country. It's a big buggered by statistics:

I didn't believe you because Germany is basically going through a recession (even if they won't admit it) right now. But I think it is more a case of The UK being especially shit rather than Germany being really good. The UK is really actually quite poor, which is kind of sad considering they used to be one of the richest countries in the world.

 

[Male Idiot]

CRP was a retard but the US bent over a retarded negress who did the same, but played bawksetbawls and got traded for arms dealers.

So they just pick and choose which retard to save, which isn't a good look.

 

[Doctor Love]

The average Hungarian income is 500 to 800 euros after taxes, and rent is anywhere from 300 to 500. You usually don't rent alone, renting is for couples or maybe best friends.

The expenses really depend on how much you use, but you can add another 200 for utilities and food, but mostly the former.

The latter is generally less excessive if you buy the cheapest stuff like flour, noodles, canned meat and so on. An old classmate could make himself food out of 2kgs of rice, 5 carrots, some pepper and chicken gizzards for weeks.

Okay so when I speak from experience - a single room in a town in most of the UK, especially anywhere near to bus stops or a train station, is £600 per month. In a city, that same single room which is a regular house, divided into several smaller units is £800-1000

So total rent is way higher. I was using the numbers for a single individual - like you may experience if you live and work as a single, independent adult.

I also eat like that.

This doesn't seem right at all for Hungary, though. Average income is really that low?

But I think it is more a case of The UK being especially shit rather than Germany being really good.

I made this little graph so you can see how much the 50% percentile actually has after the expenses. I could do with better numbers, since I was just guessing for a lot of this, but you can see the general issue. This is the reality for a lot of Americans too - for all the negro-related matters, they don't seem to understand just how different their income is to Europeans.

 

[Mav52ri]

I didn't believe you because Germany is basically going through a recession (even if they won't admit it) right now. But I think it is more a case of The UK being especially shit rather than Germany being really good. The UK is really actually quite poor, which is kind of sad considering they used to be one of the richest countries in the world.

That's basically my point, Britain only recently dipped into slight recession for one quarter but came back out of it, Germany meanwhile, the supposed powerhouse of the EU economy has been in straight recession and the industrial output has been tumbling, and growth figures show the UK outpacing the Eurozone, I would probably point this to us not being as dependant on Russian gas as Germany was (Norway is our main supplier for what our North Sea reserves fall short on), and being separated from the EU gives us a bit more flexibility in the legislation sense.

Don't take this as me saying everything is perfect in Britain, it certainly isn't, but I think from what I've seen we're a bit less fucked than the EU is from the economic blowback from all the shenanigans in Ukraine

 

[Male Idiot]

Keep in mind that the income is heavily taxed. Orbán had the idea that everyone should pay equal flat % taxes so gypsies remain poor. But gypsies don't pay taxes and earn black market incomes.

You can easily make 1200 euros, but a good third of it is going to taxes. Also take it into account that living alone isn't that widespread, especially in poorer income areas like rural places.

You can couch surf with your uncle, live with your parents, and generally you won't need to rent a place unless you aren't single. Than you got two people to pay for rent so it works out.

There are people who do live alone, but those are usually middle to upper middle class who can easily rent a single apartment for party/woman. But you do have free healthcare, if low quality.

 

[Doctor Love]

Don't take this as me saying everything is perfect in Britain, it certainly isn't, but I think from what I've seen we're a bit less fucked than the EU is from the economic blowback from all the shenanigans in Ukraine

The 50th percentile income in the UK is not even in the same ballpark as Germany.

The average German, right now, working 9-5 the same as anyone else, due to the amount of sickening bullshit the UK has put its own people through - has double our net income.
Infact, their 50% mark is equal to our 90% mark just doing the bare minimum of actual research.

The UK isn't thriving, we're a destitute shithole with incredibly high costs, extremely low wages and the combination of those two puts the average Brit on par with the average fucking Romanian. There are people who spent their early years getting bummed in an orphanage, like that one guy, who actually have the same "Quality of Life" as the average Brit. That is, the same house size, net income (after costs) and all the penny-snatching at every level.

The numbers are flat-out bullshit most of the time. You have to actually run it yourself - they pull all sorts to exclude as many people below the median as humanly possible.
Work 35 hours? You're not full-time. You don't get included in the average.
Work 60? You are doing overtime! You are included.

While most countries tend to simply take an average, the UK actively uses it to manipulate data. I assumed all countries were like that, for a long time - and upon further inspection, they are not. Atleast, not to the same degree.
And it makes perfect sense, when you consider how much jobs in the UK actually pay.
For my field, the pay disparity and living costs are so fucking gigantic that I would have more money at the end of the month if I lived and worked in SPAIN.
You have to really examine the numbers - the costs in the UK are equal to a different world in terms of job. You could work half as many hours for the same property in any other country.

Our wage-to-costs are on another fucking planet and all it means is our income, effectively, has a gigantic - on it. You have to mentally subtract about ten thousand pounds per year from any UK income value to get a comparable value from any other country.

But you do have free healthcare, if low quality.

Trust me, you don't know what low quality healthcare means.

 

[Male Idiot]

The 50th percentile income in the UK is not even in the same ballpark as Germany.

The average German, right now, working 9-5 the same as anyone else, due to the amount of sickening bullshit the UK has put its own people through - is double.


Infact, their 50% mark is equal to our 90% mark just doing the bare minimum of actual research.

The UK isn't thriving, we're a destitute shithole with incredibly high costs, extremely low wages and the combination of those two puts the average Brit on par with the average fucking Romanian.

The numbers are flat-out bullshit most of the time. You have to actually run it yourself - they pull all sorts to exclude as many people below the median as humanly possible.
Work 35 hours? You're not full-time. You don't get included in the average.
Work 60? You are doing overtime! You are included.

While most countries tend to simply take an average, the UK actively uses it to manipulate data. I assumed all countries were like that, for a long time - and upon further inspection, they are not.
And it makes perfect sense, when you consider how much jobs in the UK actually pay.
For my field, the pay disparity and living costs are so fucking gigantic that I would have more money at the end of the month if I lived and worked in SPAIN.
You have to really examine the numbers - the costs in the UK are equal to a different world in terms of job. You could work half as many hours for the same property in any other country.

Our wage-to-costs are on another fucking planet


Trust me, you don't know what low quality healthcare means.

Trust me, months long waiting lists for an X-ray and the building looks like this.

https://hakohandmade.blog.hu/2016/07/28/amitol_nagyon_felek_magyarorszagon

A japanese girl has some pictures, and says that going to the hospital is her biggest fear in Hungary. Poor thing expected euro goyslop and got some hard vodka life, hah.

I don't have more since I'm tired, but I made this exact post like 10 times on the farms already. Oh, and if you want painkillers in a hospital, you will need to BEG for it.

Some videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAQgiB4DL5w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4egpjzJCHro

Leftie outlets LOVE this topic.

 

[Mav52ri]

The average German, right now, working 9-5 the same as anyone else, due to the amount of sickening bullshit the UK has put its own people through - has double our net income.

Again, I'm not trying to argue that were all hunky-dory on these isles, it's shit I can attest to that, but I was more focusing on the raw economic output, and how Germany's industry has been falling for six month's straight.

 

[Doctor Love]

Trust me, months long waiting lists for an X-ray and the building looks like this.

brother

I don't have more since I'm tired, but I made this exact post like 10 times on the farms already. Oh, and if you want painkillers in a hospital, you will need to BEG for it.

Brother you will be in for a real shock when you learn what real medical malpractice looks like. A long wait is nothing, so long as a doctor doesn't watch you collapse from sepsis, take your blood pressure, then send you home.

raw economic output,

Why the fuck would you do that? That's not your money, mate, that's some cunt who'll have you imprisoned if you call him naughty words!

 

[CaptainAutism69]

50% percentile

This shit right here is why I left the UK ages ago; the writing was on the wall.
Go to uni, study hard and you will get a good job and have a good life. No. Fuck that shit, go to uni, study hard, and you will get a job that earns you the national average salary, which down souf will get you a flat share with three other people, bills out of the ass, and 50 quid to your name at the end of the month after deductions for rent, bill, council fucking tax, phone, car insurance, pollution tax, petrol to get to work, food, parking at work, etc...
That was over 10 years ago, then the 'below inflation pay rises' started and people got even more fucked (look at nurses, teachers, doctors salaries over the last 15 years compared to inflation for a reason why there's a shortage of public services).

The UK used to be something, but it's turned into serfdom; you either work like a serf to pay rent, or you're a landlord living off the back of other people like my ex landlord who was some currynigger who 'owned' over 15 properties down souf and rented them out to pay his mortgages.

You know what's fucked up? You as a Brit, can go to fucking BULGARIA (the poorest country in the EU), get an entry level job in a call centre, and have a better quality of life than back at home *and* a better quality of healthcare (the two times I went to A&E there I was seen within 10 min by an English speaking doctor, while people back at home were on trolleys in corridors covered in piss, shit and blood after waiting for hours on end). Needless to say, my travels abroad brought me a quality of life that I could never have had back at home, such as having bought an apartment in an economically developed European country, buying some flash cars and having a decent profession. Brexit helped limit my options though so that pissed me off.