Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Just because you made a mistake doesn't mean you have to lash out.
I understand that it's frustrating when you say something that you didn't mean to.

Everyone here knows how despicable Ukraine is.

Very few people outside of this forum seem to know it.

That's why we're here, isn't it?

You have already expressed that you are literally brain damaged. Perhaps you should recognise that you are making very poor posts.

The ur-example of this being your prior bizarre fixation on the Russians somehow managing to take a train to a number of European capitals and take over. (This was not you "thinking out of the box", this was you suggesting a ridiculous hypothetical on par with "What if the Russians dig a big tunnel straight to Kiev?"). Please observe your pink triangle and slow down; Think about your posts before you make them. You are rapidly losing (what little) credibility and goodwill you have.

I am not even taking your "Quik Maffs" posts seriously due to your prior assertions, I have little reason to not be skeptical.
 
The only question here is "with what money?" This same UK who has already running into trouble funding the NHS? The one who had to struggle to power all their shit during winter? The same who had been notoriously downsizing their army (understandable), and navy (not so understandable if you want to be taken seriously) since the 60s? That same UK?
 
The only question here is "with what money?" This same UK who has already running into trouble funding the NHS? The one who had to struggle to power all their shit during winter? The same who had been notoriously downsizing their army (understandable), and navy (not so understandable if you want to be taken seriously) since the 60s? That same UK?
Yes, that one. I can't help but notice a pattern: the Istanbul talks show promise and Boris Johnson shows up with an unannounced surprise visit to tell Ukraine to keep fighting because who knows why. Anthony Blinken says the US has officially ran out of money to bankroll the project and Rikshi Sunak shows up with an unannounced surprise visit to tell Ukraine to keep fighting because who knows why, also have 3 billion Google Play gift cards good sir, do not redeem.

The UK appears to be really, really interested in this war. Англичанка гадит as always.
 
The only question here is "with what money?" This same UK who has already running into trouble funding the NHS? The one who had to struggle to power all their shit during winter? The same who had been notoriously downsizing their army (understandable), and navy (not so understandable if you want to be taken seriously) since the 60s? That same UK?
This is what happens when you deindustrialize and blow down all your cheap coal power, reversing that course would already go a long way to righting the ship (and getting rid of all the freeloaders while they're at it).
 
I am not even taking your "Quik Maffs" posts seriously due to your prior assertions, I have little reason to not be skeptical.
Have you tried like... just maintaining your scepticism?

All I learned from it was that a sizeable portion of people here drastically overestimate the willingness and capability of Europe, while understating just how antagonistic they have been.

I regret nothing, I gave an adequate reasoning for the expressions and wild imagery, but the core of the point was that a hypothetical coup-de-mains based around an unprepared, yet antagonistic, Europe. Potentially using trains, because - as you may recall - there's no actual defence for it. It would be, functionally, no different from any other extreme, militaristic political move.

There isn't another level to it. Argue with the use of trains all you want - you seem to think there is no chance that the war will escalate further West or have global, world-changing consequences.

That is somehow even more retarded than loading soldiers up onto trains. It isn't my goal to convince you, all I can do is share my methodology and see if you can replicate the results or improve on it. The likely outcome is that the EU will become a militarily neutral entity, because Russia will not be able to guarantee security with an American or British military presence so close to their heartland.

Situation has changed, my current hypothetical is - EU will negotiate with Russia, separately from the USA, and at the bare minimum - an enforced neutral "zone" in the Eastern EU. It wouldn't need to use military force.

All you did was state an even more retarded assertion in response.

The only reason I changed my mind on the coup-de-mains was because I checked the economic outlook - the EU would be stupid to side with the USA and UK after this. Russia, now, has such a strong long-term position that they can roll on almost completely independently.

While I thought that the Russians would need to "persuade" Europe to turn against the UK or USA via the threat of physical invasion - now I think that the EU will run straight to Russia the second they have a clear opportunity to do so.

The disorder which is relevant, here, is aphasia. It is something which affects language. It's a reason for the odd phrases and sentence structure, and why so many of my posts are excessively long and scattered, leading to a confusing and muddled message.

Is there something about the triangle that I should know? I've only seen one other guy with it, and he's hilarious.

US has officially ran out of money to give
Rikshi Sunak shows up with an unannounced 3 billion gibs.
I would not be shocked, but honestly, Sunak is so incompetent that it probably is from the UK. It's like a skint man buying a new car.
 
when in Moscow you can probably get a comfortable 3 bed for the same money
You can get a comfortable two bed anywhere else in England for the price of a broom closet in London, but then there won't be any decent jobs in a 50 mile radius.
It's like a skint man buying a new car.
Oi look Rissher's buying a load of guns on finance for Ukraine, I bet Putins proper bricking himself right now.
 
You can get a comfortable two bed anywhere else in England
I tried my best to exclude London's inflated values and used some town center values from the East Midlands.

As a proportion of income it still comes up higher than the same floorspace in central Moscow.

Even if you could somehow commute from the cheapest parts of the England to London for work, or score a remote job with London wages in a cheap part of England, you'd still be worse off than someone doing the same hours, at the same job, in Moscow.
 
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Don't think I saw anyone post this. Paints a bleak picture if true.

I just got back from Ukraine, where I was visiting some friends.

Everything we have heard about what’s happening in Ukraine is a lie.

The reality is darker, bleaker, and unequivocally hopeless. There is no such thing as Ukraine "winning" this war.

- By their estimates, they have lost over one million of their sons, fathers and husbands; an entire generation is gone.
- Even in the Southwest, where the anti-Russian sentiment is long-standing, citizens are reluctant or straight-up scared to publicly criticize Zelensky; they will go to jail.
- In every village and town, the streets, shops, and restaurants are mostly absent of men.
- The few men who remain are terrified of leaving their homes for fear of being kidnapped into conscription. Some have resorted to begging friends to break their legs to avoid service.
- Army search parties take place early in the morning, when men leave their homes to go to work. They ambush and kidnap them off the streets and within 3-4 hours they get listed in the army and taken away straight to the front lines with minimal or no training at all; it is "a death sentence."
- It's getting worse every day. Where I was staying, a dentist had just been taken by security forces on his way to work, leaving behind two small children. Every day, 3-5 dead bodies keep arriving from the front lines.
- Mothers and wives fight tooth and nail with the armed forces, beg and plead not to have their men taken away. They try bribing, which sometimes works, but most of the time they are met with physical violence and death threats.
- The territory celebrated as having been "won back" from Russia has been reduced to rubble and is uninhabitable. Regardless, there is no one left to live there and displaced families will likely never return.
- They see the way the war has been reported, at home and abroad. It's a "joke" and "propaganda." They say: “Look around: is this winning?”.
- Worse, some have been hoaxed into believing that once Ukrainians forces are exhausted, American soldiers will come in to replace them and “win the war”.

There is no ambiguity in these people. The war was for nothing - a travesty. The outcome always was, and is, clear. The people are hopeless, utterly destroyed, and living in an unending nightmare.

They are pleading for an end, any end - most likely the same "peace" that could have been achieved two years ago. In their minds, they have already lost, for their sons, fathers and husbands are gone, and their country has been destroyed. There is no "victory" that can change that.

Make no mistake, they are angry with Putin. But they are also angry with Zelensky and the West. They have lost everything, worst of all, hope and faith, and cannot comprehend why Zelenky wishes to continue the current trajectory, the one of human devastation.

I didn't witness the war; but what I saw was absolutely heart-breaking.

Shame on the people, regardless of their intentions, who have supported this war. And shame on the media for continuing to lie about it.
 
This is what happens when you deindustrialize and blow down all your cheap coal power, reversing that course would already go a long way to righting the ship (and getting rid of all the freeloaders while they're at it).
You'd think the Brits would bow out gracefully. And seeing as they wanted a service based and specialized manufacturing based economy. Would try to act more neutral and level headed on the world stage.

And why continue to hitch their wagon with the Americans. Which best describe at this point as a decrepit country and regime led by a senile, pedophile and most likely fraud elected president and debilitated secretary of state, with a half of it's populace displaying intelligences of a cucumber.

A country that slowly post war became the opposite of what it stood for and was.


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On TG Anna Malyar, former Ukrainian deputy defense minister today is pretty much is saying what i have said few days ago.




Russian goal is to deplete Ukrainian forces as much as possible. So that the Ukrainians cannot create reserves of ammunition, manpower, nor can stockpile equipment and are mentally broken. Ukrainians do not have time to recover.

At the same time, the Russians themselves "save their personnel" by using the tactics of assaults in small groups, for which the Ukrainian Armed Forces are forced to spend a lot of shells. According to her same amounts of shells as for large groups of assault groups.

Meanwhile the Russian Federation began to form new formations. (From remainder of the mobilized man) Preparing for the next stage of the war.
 
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You'd think the Brits would bow out gracefully. And seeing as they wanted a service based and specialized manufacturing based economy. Would try to act more neutral and level headed on the world stage.
I need your input on some shit to verify, but it genuinely looks like the average Russian lives better than the average Brit, now. And I say that in the full knowledge of what Russia has been like over the last 30 years.

They didn't "want a service based" economy or however they tried to spin it - they took a sledgehammer to most of the country, sold what they could and established a serfdom.
 
I need your input on some shit to verify, but it genuinely looks like the average Russian lives better than the average Brit, now. And I say that in the full knowledge of what Russia has been like over the last 30 years.


Nah, up until recently wages have been low and despite cost of living being also low. On average Russian household didn't have as much income to spend or save as a Brit.


However, there has been a substantial wage growth increases last year and will be still continuing this year.



This is due to manufacturing and replacement of goods from the west especially more of high-added-value goods. Increased in productivity. And shortage of workforce (especially qualified thanks to he 90's and 2000's) on Russian labor market.

Also finding markets especially in Asia for it's goods. While in EU Russian goods tended to be blocked even before "the sanctions from hell"


Of course there is also inflation that has risen. But the wage increase percentage has been higher.

They didn't "want a service based" economy or however they tried to spin it - they took a sledgehammer to most of the country, sold what they could and established a serfdom.

I disagree. Brits where well on the way into being a serious service economy. Brits also manufacture a lot more then it's actually visible. Due to it being cottage industry and specialized manufacturing.

They however it seems decided to tank that all.
 
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And I say that in the full knowledge of what Russia has been like over the last 30 years.
A nation of Europe Train Invading master warriors? according to your brain dagamed posts... just try to stop posting my dude

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I wonder how many people will risk their lives posting videos of the strikes aftermath
 
I disagree. Brits where well on the way into being a serious service economy. Brits also manufacture a lot more then it's actually visible. Due to it being cottage industry and specialized manufacturing.

They however it seems decided to tank that all.
In both cases, you're right, but the wage stagnation and their value in a real sense for the UK have decreased - we've seen a drop of a good 10-20% in real income in that same time. I ran out of Statista views, but to verify:
$500 for Housing, $6 for phone bills, food and groceries around $80 per month, transport at $33 - so around 55,000 Rubles per month

Furthermore, the soldiers in Ukraine - I have seen that they are being paid quite well, at 200,000 Rubles per month.

If those numbers are true, those soldiers are better off than a British doctor. With taxes included - that includes surgeons.

Is this an accurate number? I mean, no fucking way that that's 200k per month untaxed, right?

A nation of Europe Train Invading master warriors?
I understand the problem with the train, but master warriors? How powerful do you think the Bundeswehr is, exactly?
 
$500 for Housing, $6 for phone bills, food and groceries around $80 per month, transport at $33 - so around 55,000 Rubles per month
No idea. what the costs in Moscow are now. I havent been in Russia for tab more then a decade now.

Furthermore, the soldiers in Ukraine - I have seen that they are being paid quite well, at 200,000 Rubles per month.

Not a cross the board. I've read at least one guy retired former 2nd Chechen campaign vet is getting 3800,000 Rubles per month for training the mobilized infantry. But again this is not standard.
 
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Enough Economic comparison sperging

I know someone else mentioned the Jan 13th Airstrikes already but there is something interesting about these airstrikes that was somewhat unusual.
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During the airstrikes some of the missiles and drones were airborne for much longer than usual. The thesis as for why that I have seen is that Russia was using its slower missiles and drones to bait out fire from air defenses and then using the Kinzhal's Hypersonic capability to destroy the air defenses. Russia also launched a higher than normal amount of Kinzhals. In addition to making later strikes easier suppression of enemy air defenses would also allow Russia to conduct more close air support missions in the future. I don't know if this hints towards preparations for an offensive some time in the next couple months or not.

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Also interesting to note that the Study for War a western leaning think tank is acknowledging that Russia isn't in complete shambles. They also claimed Russia has 462,000 troops in theater and has enough reserves to conduct regular rotations of units to allow them to rest and recover. The strategic picture of this war has been hard to get a glimpse of so if this report can be semi-believed then it suggests that Russia has large reserves in waiting. I don't know if their number is wholly accurate or very precise but I find it easy to believe the general picture. I suspected and still do suspect the Russians are preparing for an offensive at some point. This doesn't prove that they are but it suggests that they could launch an offensive.
 
You as a Brit, can go to fucking BULGARIA (the poorest country in the EU), get an entry level job in a call centre, and have a better quality of life than back at home *and* a better quality of healthcare
And it doesn't stop at those metrics either; better women, better people, stronger societal cohesion, better food, better services, better weather, no pakis, no niggers...

When all is said and done, the myth that the UK is 'better off' than poorer parts of Eastern Europe, Spain, Rural France or portugal, is a big myth. A real big one.
 
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