US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Harambe]

Dear Comrade Biden

Thank you for making your stance on Taiwan's misguided notion of independence clear. Your check is being wired to you as we speak.

Sincerely
Comrade Xi Jinping
Chairman of the Mighty Chinese Communist Party

Arming and hyping up and marching Ukraine into an unwinnable conflict in 2014 was retarded and ultimately lit the world economy on fire, and Russia is mostly a raw materials exporter.
Leaders have to balance risk and try not to cause a war casually on a fucking Saturday.

Why would the United States, you know founded on the concept of independence, not recognize Taiwan's?

I dunno, it would kill a lot of people and probably end with Taiwan's de facto independence turning into de facto poverty and subjection.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Why would the United States, you know founded on the concept of independence, not recognize Taiwan's?

Because originally US didn’t want to fight USSR and PRC during the cold war, and afterwards people didn’t want a second cold war and China became a sizable enemy that had achieved nuclear capability (though technically that did happen during the Cold War) which makes regular wars unattractive.

 

[Absolutego]

Why would the United States, you know founded on the concept of independence, not recognize Taiwan's?

Chinks throw constant autism tantrums if you call them anything but "Chinese Taipei" and, for the moment, there's too many of them for us to completely ignore their whining without the donor class getting uppity about lost revenue.

 

[Molly Millions]

Their power will begin declining in about 10 years. This is China at peak performance and they still can't beat the softbois in the Navy.

 

[Sugriva]

Why would the United States, you know founded on the concept of independence, not recognize Taiwan's?

They bribed Biden with a new gaming PC

 

[Noebel]

Why would the United States, you know founded on the concept of independence, not recognize Taiwan's?

When Vietnam was searching for somebody to help with their French problem, US told them to fuck off. Depends on what is more important, like with anybody else.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

50 cent bros....

The rapper, or how much a 25cent candy costs since Biden took over?

 

[Faggitory]

Not for Biden. Biden’s standard procedure was to admit Taiwan was real, and to threaten China to not invade or interfere with it.

It seems like Biden wanted to be so anti-trump and pro "right side of history" that he directly damaged the country's relationship with China. Now, he's trying to pull back and repair some of that damage. Isn't he doing something similar with the border wall?

 

[sallowhal]

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https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-us-does-not-support-taiwan-independence-2024-01-13/

https://archive.ph/Lfrve

this has been the standard u.s. foreign policy position for years. they call it strategic ambiguity.

basically refusing to *say* anything that would piss off china, while still bankrolling taiwan's defense, training, and planning. while making strategic alliances in china's region. while overhauling our military (well, at least the marine corps) for the express purpose of fighting china on their turf.

geopolitics are weird

 

[mandatorylurk]

 

[sallowhal]

Why would the United States, you know founded on the concept of independence, not recognize Taiwan's?

for the same reason the united states has toppled many independent, democratically elected governments and installed right wing dictatorships while sucking the cock of countries like saudi arabia.

the united states doesn't give a shit about ideals. it's all a cost benefit analysis, and usually more aimed at keeping trade flowing than anything else. "we don't care if you're a brutal dictatorship or autocracy as long as you sell us your resources and buy our slop"

 

[Faggitory]

the united states doesn't give a shit about ideals. it's all a cost benefit analysis, and usually more aimed at keeping trade flowing than anything else. "we don't care if you're a brutal dictatorship or autocracy as long as you sell us your resources and buy our slop"

I hate to say it, but the US has a point here. No country can just go around and be the world's police, and America would make a lot of enemies if they unironically went "Hmm, we don't like the way you run your country and we think it should be more like America. We will now slaughter your people so that our ideals will win. You know, for independence!"

the united states has toppled many independent, democratically elected governments and installed right wing dictatorships while sucking the cock of countries like saudi arabia.

Now this part is scummy, but like the above, there's a lot of quid pro quo going on. I don't think any country can survive by being 100% moral, but that's a lesson most people seem to ignore. You'll notice that with even bleeding heart ideologues; even they'd do scummy shit while justifying it in their own way.

 

[tehpope]

RE: US doesn't recognize Taiwan's independence

YOU. FUCKING. RETARD.

Its good for people who want Trump in power. But it still gonna lead to pain and sorrow down the line if China decides to invade before the election.

They bribed Biden

With money, not a gaming pc.

 

[Hokuriku]

But it still gonna lead to pain and sorrow down the line if China decides to invade before the election.

An amphibious assault on an island packed with jungle cliffs and dense urban environments while heavily restricted by seasonal weather conditions is all the nightmare possibilities of Stalingrad and Gallipoli rolled into one, even before factoring in the semiconductor dead-man switch being held by said island and the PRCs military experience being little more than parade duty and building condos out of stone-coloured styrofoam.

Taiwan is far more useful to China as a perpetual jingoist flashpoint, if they actually wanted the island they'd spare themselves the potential military embarassment and pump their internal politics with pro-beijing agitators like rhey did in HK and Canada.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Joepdo is just gone, I mean he's fucking gone:


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even the girl knows there's something weird going on:

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Biden's retirement home nurse: "Well it looks like Joe Biden is off his rocker today, better get him his pills."

 

[Eekum Bokum]

Liberals really are a bunch of godless, America-hating homosexuals.

You mean leftists. Really wish people would stop conflating liberals with leftists.

 

[Niggs Monaghan]

I dream of a day when America minds its own fucking business and doesn't do evil and weird shit that the citizens never ever voted for or had any idea was even happening, and the FBI and CIA and ATF are dissolved.
Imagine if America just worked how it's supposed to.
Maybe if Townsends inspires enough autists there can be a colonial America revival and all the Early Ameriboos will root out the corruption with their muskets and homemade hard tack.

 

[George Lucas]

Why would the United States, you know founded on the concept of independence, not recognize Taiwan's?

Because Taiwanese independence has never been declared. Taiwan is still the Republic of China (NOT the People’s Republic of China) and even the DPP does not want to declare independence. Independence is controversial. I think the majority are still against it.

Another thing is that declaring independence would also de facto accept that the PRC is the legitimate successor state of the ROC. No politician in Taiwan will touch that. The ROC also cannot ‘declare independence’ from the PRC because it was never a part of the PRC. The ROC could theoretically recognize the PRC, but the PRC wouldn’t recognize it back anyway. The status quo is the best option and it won’t change until there’s a war or someone makes a huge diplomatic blunder (like when the U.K. lost Hong Kong in the most retarded way possible: letting a lease expire).

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Giving your people the means to earn a sustainable living would do more for the birth rate than importing all the garbage people third world countries don't want. But the corporations who hire lobbyists don't want that because it would cut into their CEOs' paychecks ever so slightly.

It also comes from an anti-natalist view that the founding people of a country as well as the foreigners are disposable, interchangeable, and replaceable.

 

[northstar747]

Because originally US didn’t want to fight USSR and PRC during the cold war, and afterwards people didn’t want a second cold war and China became a sizable enemy that had achieved nuclear capability (though technically that did happen during the Cold War) which makes regular wars unattractive.

yep there was the sino soviet split

The fall of the USSR and the opening up of chinese labor was very lucrative to the whole fucking world, taiwan wasnt under a boot and paying lip service to the PRC, while also having taiwan as a side piece worked.