Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Not a cross the board. I've read at least one guy retired former 2nd Chechen campaign vet is getting 3800,000 Rubles per month for training the mobilized infantry. But again this is not standard.
I was referring to the standard infantryman starting out at around 200k. And to read that correctly - that's nearly four million per month? Like, that guy has racked up £750,000 since the war started?

Information security, combating information manipulation and propaganda

1. The Participants recognise that the Russian Federation continues to manipulate information in support of its war on Ukraine and will seek to continue to mutually support each other’s efforts to tell the truth well. To counter Russian information manipulation and propaganda globally, the UK and Ukraine will:

  • collaborate to improve Ukraine's capabilities to counter information security threats, primarily Russian propaganda;
  • work together with like-minded partners to communicate effectively at an international level, offering the world a truthful alternative to the Russian Federation’s disinformation campaigns;
  • co-ordinate on closer collaboration of communications output to counter disinformation; and
  • promote the development of joint educational and training programmes for information security professionals, including improving the level of English language proficiency in this area, regular exchange of experience and professional events involving information security professionals.

Rishi Sunak bravely ventures to Ukraine, promising to increase his efforts to cover up his own failures.


Russia has had some bad inflation last couple years due to sanctions.
I think they've worked that well, to their advantage.

It seems like they have actually spent the lion's share of their military spending on wages - that's how they kept the numbers high up. And conversely, because those soldiers will not emigrate - that money stays within the Russian economy. While we, and the Ukrainians, are wasting massive amounts of money - the Russians are using their military spending as economic stimulus.

So when Ukraine is dragging men off the street and forcing them into battle, the Russians are eagerly volunteering for the enormous pay increase. And when that money is invested back into their local communities, it ends up being spent on solid, real assets. Houses, starting new businesses, a well-distributed modification across the entire Federation.

Each Russian death backfires - they give $100,000 plus a monthly bonus to the families and widows. Each Russian death is another house being built, and another business being opened.

While everyone has had massive inflation, Russia has had an enormous wage growth too. They seem to have redirected that money into the "bottom" while ours ended up gathering at the top. The inertia of money within different economic areas changes, so their military spending has been, with a handful of limited exceptions, a high-velocity positive spiral through their entire society. A little bit like fractional reserve banking, except the inverse - rather than multiplying the money, it multiplies the value produced by each ruble.

That is only temporary - the ruble has a "diminished value" abroad, and being reinvested into Russian industry and infrastructure development at "true value" - leading to a "miniaturised economy" which is fully functioning, seemingly capable of sustained growth outside of the war. On average, measured in rubles, the economy seems to have gone up universally, ranging from 20% or so for construction, 66% for vehicle production, electronics by 40% - the article comments that Russia "needs to be at war" for this to continue, but in reality, they could maintain that status with a good treaty with China and/or the EU. Their minimum wage jumped up by nearly 20% this year!

Russia is now an economic bomb. Once the war ends, it will climb up to a top-5 spot

I don't know if this hints towards preparations for an offensive some time in the next couple months or not.
From my ruthless, obsessive search for information - I also have no idea. They have no need to, since they've already won.

When all is said and done, the myth that the UK is 'better off' than poorer parts of Eastern Europe, Spain, Rural France or portugal, is a big myth. A real big one.
I'd say, the second that Ukraine surrenders - the UK's economy will fucking collapse. Hence, Sunak scurrying over there to beg them to keep fighting.
 
From my ruthless, obsessive search for information - I also have no idea. They have no need to, since they've already won.
They have completely and utterly destroyed Ukraine as a viable state in the long term it is true. However they still have some goals they would like to accomplish. The conquest and subsequent protection of the rest territory east of the Dnieper and Odessa as well at the black sea coast in general. I suspect Russia would like to link up to Transnistria as well.

I think the west would have accepted a cease-fire if Russia offered it but Russia has not offered it signalling they have not accomplished all their goals.
 
I think the west would have accepted a cease-fire if Russia offered it but Russia has not offered it signalling they have not accomplished all their goals.
So - and apologies for more econsperging:

In a single sentence:

They have strategically utilized vacant factories that were left behind by well-known brands like Renault and Nissan, as reported by Reuters

They might just sit there, developing their infrastructure independently and grinding Ukraine into dust - waiting for the West to start breaking apart under the strain. And their lack of mobilisation backs view that up.

Our economy is built on debt, dust and empty promises. Russians have turned abandoned Western factories, via real industrial, economic development, into homes for their population. Every dead Russian soldier has a $100,000 sum for their widow or family. That's close to their average house price.

It's a win-win for Russia, now. They have positioned themselves where even if you kill Russian soldiers, the recoil will still improve Russia internally. They have seized enough Western assets (which we left behind) to continue that for however long they need to. If they need more soldiers, they can just increase the wages. They have increased every industrial capacity by such an extreme degree that not only have they broken Ukraine, the West can barely keep up with it.


In brief - Russia is already an "unrealised" top-5 economy.
 
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Now, now - you don't have to actually read them. I put spoilers where I can so not to be too intrusive.

The thread is big enough for the both of us.
How about not shitting up the thread with your idiocy? You started off with a hypothetical Russian train invasion, cried about your CRP posts and now you think you're an economist that can predict Russia's economy. Nothing you post is relevant to this war.
I think the west would have accepted a cease-fire if Russia offered it but Russia has not offered it signalling they have not accomplished all their goals.
Why would Russia agree to a ceasefire after it was revealed there was no intention to adhere to the terms of Minsk I & II? That it was a ruse to give NATO the chance to arm up the Ukraine for an offensive to retake Crimea? There's not going to be a Minsk III; Russia will end the war when she's ready.
 
Nothing you post is relevant to this war.
Lol yes Miss, I'll be sure to keep it relevant, sorry Miss.

Or you could just be a big girl and do the obvious.
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Russia will end the war when she's ready.
Under what circumstances would Russia end the war? Like, specifically.
 
Should there be a separate open maths thread, somewhere? I went down the rabbit hole and realised how fucking warped the numbers propaganda is. Not only with Russia, but with China - while China still has a significant poor demographic, the top half of it is in-line with Western Europe. The "Chinese middle class" is the size, and quality of the EU.
Do it faget.
 
Under what circumstances would Russia end the war? Like, specifically.
Russia has repeatedly stated when the accomplish the goals of the SMO then it will be over.

Remember, there has not been a formal declaration of war, by Russia. Or the Ukraine, for that matter.
Or you could just be a big girl and do the obvious
Or you could be be a big boy and stop passive aggressive insults, and either STFU or discuss the actual war and actual events that occur.

You earned that pink triangle, faggot.
Is it shitting up the thread if it's barely moving?
Yes. There's a thread for shitposting about the war in Mass Debates if that's your thing:
 
Is it shitting up the thread if it's barely moving? It breaks up discussion and gives us something new to talk about while it's all quiet on the western front.
there's a difference between hypothesizing about possible routes the future can take, and single mindedly sticking to a really stupid scenario that is not possible or beneificial.
 
See, when you say this, how does this not follow into speculation?

Formal declarations of war are rigid, so why did Russia choose to declare the invasion as an "SMO"?

What, functionally, is the difference between the two?
You questions has been asked and answered in early threads. Use the Search function.
 
You questions has been asked and answered in early threads. Use the Search function.
By whom? And what exactly makes their hypothesisation more valid, or less valid, than anyone else's?

Without solid details, all you can do is speculate.

If you don't like something, you don't have to backseat janny it.

there's a difference between hypothesizing about possible routes the future can take, and single mindedly sticking to a really stupid scenario that is not possible or beneificial.
Well I have done both. Some are more realistic than others. And I would invite anyone else to chip in with their own speculations and your reasoning behind it.

Investigating everything is better than investigating nothing. The obvious middle-ground is to be selective about what you consider as important.
 
What an insufferable cunt.

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FYI he suffered a pneumothorax from a beating.
That moron apparently forgot the part about the vaccine not preventing people from getting or spreading covid. Even the cdc doesn't deny that fact anymore

and it sure sounds like he got the pneumothorax from a beating gone wrong. All things considered it fits with the treatment he's been no doubt getting in jail. and the troon of kiev going out of his way to repeatedly claim it was a natural death was blatantly obviously being a mouthpiece for the government who didn't want anybody pointing fingers at his treatment in jail killing him. They don't want the bad publicity or the legal issues involved with his death
 
It should be a war crime to sabotage peace talks and force a country to fight long after their losing was guaranteed.
It is a really nasty thing to do but ultimately unenforceable. It is one of those things like using civilians as a shields or the allied strategic bombing in WW2 that is kind of reprehensible and dishonorable but punishment for it can only be enforced upon an already defeated enemy. There can only be an understanding about acting honorably amongst civilized nations but much of the west fights like murderous serial killers as do many Islamic countries.
 
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