Valve introduces Steam Deck

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The announced prices for "The Claw":

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Intel is not coasting. Intel is in a death spiral. And the end of Intel cannot come soon enough.
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Not sure how you can make that assertion considering the market share shown in Steam's hardware survey. I'm no fan of Intel but we need for them to be in the market. The work they are doing with their new CPU architecture using E-cores and P-cores as well as with Arc graphics is the type of competition that is needed to avoid stagnation in this sector. I want AMD, Intel and yes, even Nvidia to be successful in their own ways. The last thing we need is a processor monopoly.
 
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Belvedere said:
Not sure how you can make that assertion considering the market share shown in Steam's hardware survey. I'm no fan of Intel but we need for them to be in the market. The work they are doing with their new CPU architecture using E-cores and P-cores as well as with Arc graphics is the type of competition that is needed to avoid stagnation in this sector. I want AMD, Intel and yes, even Nvidia to be successful in their own ways. The last thing we need is a processor monopoly.
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the market is bigger than desktop CPUs. plus AMD has a gpu business as well.
if you wanna see where AMD eats intel's lunch check some data center graphs.
 
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Belvedere said:
The announced prices for "The Claw":

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Not sure how you can make that assertion considering the market share shown in Steam's hardware survey. I'm no fan of Intel but we need for them to be in the market. The work they are doing with their new CPU architecture using E-cores and P-cores as well as with Arc graphics is the type of competition that is needed to avoid stagnation in this sector. I want AMD, Intel and yes, even Nvidia to be successful in their own ways. The last thing we need is a processor monopoly.
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Intel's CPUs post-copying the ARM big/little designs are genuinely very good and each iteration gets better especially as they move further from the forever-node 14nm. Their platforms have a long track record for stability. Not a good idea to bet against them.

AMD is back which is great but the big money maker in the server market I see it more as a reversion to the norm. My company used to buy a mix of Xeon and Opteron CPUs but stopped buying AMD for >5 years and now are back to using Epyc in the mix.
 
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the market is bigger than desktop CPUs. plus AMD has a gpu business as well.
if you wanna see where AMD eats intel's lunch check some data center graphs.
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Oh I understand this as well but for someone to say, let alone wish, for Intel to "end" is among one of the weirdest comments I've seen regarding tech.
 
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Dr. Geronimo said:
Performance based variants is a terrible thing and Valve had the right idea on that.
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I always go by the logic that if someone's priorities are high framerate and graphic fidelity then any handheld system should be simply avoided, regardless it is a console like the Switch or PC-based like the Steam Deck. Neither has the guarantee to run all games on optimal conditions due of the form factor, battery life concerns and such.
These models from competitors seem to be more a trap to idiots, with more money than sense, who fail to understand the simple basics of balance.
 
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These models from competitors seem to be more a trap to idiots, with more money than sense, who fail to understand the simple basics of balance.
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All these devices fail the moment they don't include track pads. All these handheld are designed to be held with 2 hands and are usually too long or heavy to 1 hand it, meaning you have to almost always adjust your hands or prop it to use the touchscreen.

The track pads may not be perfect, but they're the best solution to this problem.
 
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The track pads may not be perfect, but they're the best solution to this problem.
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The one situation in my experience where the Deck's trackpads are terrible is when trying to drag the mice icon to select several files at once on desktop mode. Otherwise yeah, they work fine to do basic computer stuff and with the X button to prompt up the virtual keyboard. The trackpads also allow to play games that actually require a mice to move/interact, such as Volcano Princess in my own case. Can't exactly think of a PC handheld not having those things.
 
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Oh I understand this as well but for someone to say, let alone wish, for Intel to "end" is among one of the weirdest comments I've seen regarding tech.
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intel has been cancer quite often for quite a long time, so a certain hateboner is to be expected. that AMD or anyone else would also inevitably become cancer without competition is usually a later thought.
otoh what would you really lose? sometimes the loss is less than you'd gain (before it inevitably turns to shit).
 
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The one situation in my experience where the Deck's trackpads are terrible is when trying to drag the mice icon to select several files at once on desktop mode. Otherwise yeah, they work fine to do basic computer stuff and with the X button to prompt up the virtual keyboard. The trackpads also allow to play games that actually require a mice to move/interact, such as Volcano Princess in my own case. Can't exactly think of a PC handheld not having those things.
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Are you using the trackpad to both hold down and drag the mouse? It can definitely be tricky if you do it that way. Have you tried instead to use R2 as mouse left click and the trackpad to only drag? I find it works much better that way. The virtual keyboard in desktop mode is still kinda buggy and needs work from my experience.
 
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Did all the plugin and mod devs fix their stuff for the oled deck yet or are we still waiting?
 
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isn't the OLED version just a display change? afaik everything else is the same, so everything should still work.
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Not exactly.

LCD -
Processor
7 nm AMD APU
CPU: Zen 2 4c/8t, 2.4-3.5GHz (up to 448 GFlops FP32)
GPU: 8 RDNA 2 CUs, 1.0-1.6GHz (up to 1.6 TFlops FP32)
APU power: 4-15W
RAM
16 GB LPDDR5 on-board RAM (5500 MT/s quad 32-bit channels)
Storage
Steam Deck 64GB
Steam Deck 256GB
Steam Deck 512GB


OLED -
Processor
6 nm AMD APU
CPU: Zen 2 4c/8t, 2.4-3.5GHz (up to 448 GFlops FP32)
GPU: 8 RDNA 2 CUs, 1.6GHz (1.6 TFlops FP32)
APU power: 4-15W
RAM
16 GB LPDDR5 on-board RAM (6400 MT/s quad 32-bit channels)
Storage
Steam Deck 512GB NVMe SSD
Steam Deck 1TB NVMe SSD

And to include the sidenote for both,
Both models include high-speed microSD card slot

Other than the APU being upgraded from 7nm architecture to 6nm, the ram speed has noticeably been improved as well. These both lead to performance benefits, clear regardless of the OLED also not just being a straight swap, as it runs at 90hz vs the LCDs 60. I think that's everything, but there could be more that's not specified.
 
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