William James Mitchell vs. Twin Galaxies LLC, Jeff Harrist & Jeremy Young & donkeykongforum.com, Benjamin Q Smith

[Cyberpunk Panatela]

I'm a bit confused. Isn't Tashroudian Twin Galaxies' lawyer, and not Mitchell's? Can you elaborate?

Yeah, and I don't get what Billy Bitchell's legal team is trying here. Usually accusations of witness tampering by the opposition are followed up by a request for a retrial, especially if you have evidence thereof (or the guy is dumb enough to admit doing it, like Tashroudian here).

Probably just Bitchy Billy being his usual unpleasant self, and I think even he knows nothing he can throw at his own lawyer will stick.

Where are Billy's funds for all the litigation coming from? I refuse to believe that his epic hot sauce business makes that much money, and the Jamaican arcade owner that sends him money and runs errands for him and Todd Rogers can't be that wealthy, surely?

Rich parents, perhaps?

So are pretty much all ESports players. Even the legit ones learned the game by cheating in their youth and teens.

Case in point - the first big cheating scandal in League of Legends (and e-sport generally, afaik:

(If Walter Day were the referee here he would have allowed for the human element and let AF win)

Those e-sports guys are a disgrace in more ways than one - if they're not cheating they're using what the sporting fraternity refers to "Performance Enhancing Agents" and everyone else just calls "drugs".

This isn't a recent development. At the very first big transatlantic competitive event the preliminary meeting between the players was consumed by a discussion about which drugs were the very best for helping you win at CS-GO. The Americans favoured amphetamines and their analogues while the Europeans preferred beta blockers.

Even now, only one e-sports tournament prohibits drugging and does drug testing.

 

[World in Scarlet]

I get it to a point, but Karl's out of control. The hypocrisy on top of it is insufferable. Considering his big break was exposing cheating speedrunners, particularly Todd Rogers for submitting impossible times to magazines, it's really strange that Karl Jobst did literally the same exact thing. He gets a pass though because he voluntarily came clean... in a video with a fucking sponsor break for a shitty mobile game. Zero self-awareness.

He even accused the person who had beat him in the magazine of cheating with no basis or evidence.

I watched that video and I think you completely misrepresented the issue.
He "came clean" about cheating to get in a gaming magazine high score list that was filled with obvious cheaters when he was a child. Nobody takes that seriously which is why it has ads and everything. The entire video is tongue in cheek.

You claim this is comparable to colluding with a highscore tracking agency to get bullshit scores submitted and financially benefitting from that for decades and suing people who point out that the scores are obviously cheated.

And lmao @ clutching pearls about Jobst calling some random other kid a cheater because he beat Jobst' score that Jobst only got because he used godmode cheats and rammed enemies to death. I think there's a high probability it's true and either way it was a joking offhand comment, not a serious accusation.

If Jobst is actually that bad, then why do you feel the need to make up nonsense like this? His association with TDS is suspicious and I'd like to know about it, but I can't trust a word you say about it after you posted this shit.

 

[Captain Manning]

(If Walter Day were the referee here he would have allowed for the human element and let AF win)

Speaking of, one of the things that irritates me about this cockup is that everything I've read and seen suggests that Jace Hall is a pretty cool dude that inherited a really stupid mess when he bought TG. I feel bad for him right now. There's no doubt in my mind he ultimately did the right thing in telling Mitchell and Rogers to fuck off, even as the lawyers fuck shit up.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Billie's next record will be the largest amount of bogus court cases ever to happen at the same time.

 

[Not 6 Foot]

Imagine being backed up into such a corner that you have to nail your opponent for conduct to, "win," your case.
Imagine taking people to court because they said you lied about a video game score.

Fuck Billy Bitchell.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

I watched that video and I think you completely misrepresented the issue.
He "came clean" about cheating to get in a gaming magazine high score list that was filled with obvious cheaters when he was a child. Nobody takes that seriously which is why it has ads and everything. The entire video is tongue in cheek.

You claim this is comparable to colluding with a highscore tracking agency to get bullshit scores submitted and financially benefitting from that for decades and suing people who point out that the scores are obviously cheated.

And lmao @ clutching pearls about Jobst calling some random other kid a cheater because he beat Jobst' score that Jobst only got because he used godmode cheats and rammed enemies to death. I think there's a high probability it's true and either way it was a joking offhand comment, not a serious accusation.

If Jobst is actually that bad, then why do you feel the need to make up nonsense like this? His association with TDS is suspicious and I'd like to know about it, but I can't trust a word you say about it after you posted this shit.

Watched Jorbst'v'dne from before he got popular and he was one of those "makes videos in an isolated sphere always worth watching" folk. His first few videos on Billy were cautious and "I did my research", but then he leaned way too much into the bully role. It was very clearly tongue-in-cheek the first few times; making claims and remarks completely out of character with a wink, to now doing it unironically. He put out 3 videos in a row of 15-20 mins length on that Billy shit before I unsubbed. Maybe in another 18 videos he'll be back to "hey this niche thing happened", but I fear he's too far down the media path. He has to talk about new shit constantly to stay relevant, whereas he previously just made good videos.

It's sort of like how you have that one joke with a friend, but suddenly it's all you got, and once you try to backpedal the relationship just dies.

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

Imagine being backed up into such a corner that you have to nail your opponent for conduct to, "win," your case.
Imagine taking people to court because they said you lied about a video game score.

Fuck Billy Bitchell.

Do we even know if Billy "won" anything? For all we know the settlement could've been in TG's favor and this witness badgering shit was totally unrelated. The trial was supposed to take place soon and we know all the evidence pointed against Billy, so he may have decided to quietly settle the case instead of getting shredded out in the open.
Although seeing the texts Tashroudian sent, it's a really bad look, he majorly fucked up. It reads exactly like Kurt Eichenwald's schizo threats towards random people he got in spats with.

 

[Ted's of Beverly Hills]

Just chiming in to say I've tried Billy's hot sauce before. It's shit.

I bought some from him at an event a couple years ago. It was alright, but Gringo Bandito is half the price at the grocery store.

 

[Anti Bully Ranger]

was consumed by a discussion about which drugs were the very best for helping you win at CS-GO. The Americans favoured amphetamines and their analogues while the Europeans preferred beta blockers.

So who was correct, team twitch or team smooth? Or did this conversation lead them into playing with speedballs of meth and beta blockers?

How many and how long were the rounds? I thought combat Pilots did meth because they had to be awake and alert for hours at a time scanning for potential problems.

 

[Not 6 Foot]

Do we even know if Billy "won" anything? For all we know the settlement could've been in TG's favor and this witness badgering shit was totally unrelated. The trial was supposed to take place soon and we know all the evidence pointed against Billy, so he may have decided to quietly settle the case instead of getting shredded out in the open.
Although seeing the texts Tashroudian sent, it's a really bad look, he majorly fucked up. It reads exactly like Kurt Eichenwald's schizo threats towards random people he got in spats with.

We don't know the details, no, but I use the term, "win," due to Billly's track record of manipulating the facts because he knows normal people don't look into these things.

If it wasn't in his favor you'll still see him saying that they could only get him to settle because they made shit up or intimidated witnesses.
Dude 100% waited for something like this and pounced on it in hopes he'd get some sort of mistrial-type situation and it's 100000% going to be part of his narrative every time you hear him speak in public now.

 

[ZipDisk]

I'm actually sad how much effort speed runners put in. Like if you watch them floating up walls and shit it looks impressive until you find out it took them literal years to figure out how to do it.

I also don't understand why anyone would buy Twin Galaxies and not start their own concern. Twin Galaxies LITERALLY has a Voldemort that you can't mention online in any context or lawyers descend on the site. (The man was a pedophile). One wonders if Twin Galaxies longstanding policy of submitting records on VHS cassettes was a cover for some other type of cassette trading.

I completely forgot about the fabricated plaque.

As to the equipment question, the argument for legitimate hardware is based on hardware vs emulation. Emulation is fucky and can result in inconsistent results.

The flapadoo about the joystick is that the later replacement joystick conveys a benefit to the player, and it seems to be the one thing that actually made Billy nervous.
I can confirm Gringo bandito is fantastic.

 

[DeusVult]

I'm just stopping by to tell you how amusing to me is when Karl is hyping up some new record in some game.

Imagine there is a glitch in a game, because the dev never anticipated that somebody is going to play their game in an aggressively retarded way, only to beat the game 0.1 seconds faster.
Then some poor nerd spends months in his basement, without seeing the light of day and with minimal - if any - human interaction, looking for this glitch. Then the nerd spends months trying to exploit the same glitch, very likely trooning out in the process.

And Karl goes: 'AnD ThIs AcHiEvEmEnT Is GoInG To ChAnGe EvErYtHiNg In tHe HiStOrY Of SpEdRunNing', as if we've managed to colonize Mars or something.

Spoiler

Anyway, judging by the highlights in this thread I'm not sure whether the circlejerk is going in the 'Mitchel good' or 'Mitchel bad' direction, so sorry for the off topic.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I'm actually sad how much effort speed runners put in. Like if you watch them floating up walls and shit it looks impressive until you find out it took them literal years to figure out how to do it.

I also don't understand why anyone would buy Twin Galaxies and not start their own concern. Twin Galaxies LITERALLY has a Voldemort that you can't mention online in any context or lawyers descend on the site. (The man was a pedophile). One wonders if Twin Galaxies longstanding policy of submitting records on VHS cassettes was a cover for some other type of cassette trading.

Which one? Twin Galaxies/the retro video game high score scene is absolutely infested with pedophiles. It's possibly the only group worse than the SFWA since at one point, several TG refs and directors were convicted child sex offenders. And yes, Billy Mitchell would hang out with these people, as documented in that post.

If this Jace Hall guy is actually trying to clean up Twin Galaxies, then he needs an ocean of bleach.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

You dare critique the tactics of someone who is clearly a graduate of the Ty Beard School of Law?

One of the highlights of my life was seeing Vic and his pissy case go down in flames, tearing Nick and the rest of those wannabe right-wing shyster YouTube lawyers down with him. Jamie and Monica may have cringy third-wave feminist beliefs, but at least they aren't stupid enough to take advice from a guy whose BAC is perpetually 0.2 or greater.

 

[Near]

TG's reputation has got to be in the toilet if their founder was really involved in the coverup. It's understandable they would want to salvage it now. But man, that's gonna stay whether they win or lose. Especially after Todd Rogers and now Billy.

 

[FiveStarAce]

Can't belief Gerit Bobby Ferguson turned out to be a real cheater.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

And Karl goes: 'AnD ThIs AcHiEvEmEnT Is GoInG To ChAnGe EvErYtHiNg In tHe HiStOrY Of SpEdRunNing', as if we've managed to colonize Mars or something.

Making videos about speedrunning is such an astonishingly easy grift. Requires no effort, no skills, nothing but the ability to pad for time, and you get to milk ten times the views and video length ad revenue compared to the person who actually accomplished the achievement.

 

[waffle]

can someone explain this to me, i thought lawsuits were supposed to be expensive and time consuming
how do these people file so many lolsuits. do cheap lolsuit lawyers exist
like why has nick rekieta spent like 60k or some bullshit when the guy suing him likely spent nothing.
how rich is billy mitchell to always be filing lolsuits.

There are lawyers who are relatively cheap for various reasons, but even a cheap lawsuit all the way to a Jury is still used car money. The calculus is you can file a shitty lawsuit you don't really expect to win for $$ and it will cost the other guy atleast $$$ to defend it intelligently. It's still at least an upper middle class man's game and it has pleanty of downsides.

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

We don't know the details, no, but I use the term, "win," due to Billly's track record of manipulating the facts because he knows normal people don't look into these things.

If it wasn't in his favor you'll still see him saying that they could only get him to settle because they made shit up or intimidated witnesses.
Dude 100% waited for something like this and pounced on it in hopes he'd get some sort of mistrial-type situation and it's 100000% going to be part of his narrative every time you hear him speak in public now.

Undoubtedly so. I mean Billy could literally be found guilty of perjury and sentenced to prison and he'd still find a way to spin that story in what he perceives to be his favor because he's a loon, so in a way he's always "winning". He's still not out of the woods yet, he could still lose the Jobst lawsuit which would be a hit to his reputation (since it's over the same cheating allegations). Again, if that happens, I predict his coping mantra will be "I didn't lose against TG anyway" and "it was in Australia lel" but it's still a fairly high profile felting.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

Dude less of a bitch on regular show than he is in real life.