Designated Whiner Shitting Street - General non DSP-specific discussion and stupid questions goes here

[WelperHelper99]

Stop arguing with random ballwashers. It's a completely pointless waste of time that just shits up the subforum even more. The dude legit argued that DSP isn't an e-begger because his livestreams his begging. He's either a massive contrarian or a complete retard.

You act like streaming isn't Phil's job. It is. I'm stating a fact. People giving him money is their choice.

 

[Squatty Potty]

You act like streaming isn't Phil's job. It is. I'm stating a fact. People giving him money is their choice.

Phil can both be a full time streamer and e-beggar, the two are not mutually exclusive. He begs far more than other livestreamers, so he gets more shit for it. Phil even admits in his own streams that he begs. I don't know why you continue to argue this point. I do agree that no one is getting scammed when they donate money to his boring ass streams, it's their choice.

 

[Kane lives in death]

Or the information that our former moderator 'Agent Proper' profited off DSP's content, linking his livestreams on here to drive traffic on his channel. This is problematic at best. Null claims he didn't know about this, which is disconcerting. This is something a moderator should absolutely tell to the administrator if it's an acceptable move. It's Null's forum. It does pain me to think about what would happen if we had a systemic investigation into the subforum, with a report that deals with facts and statistics.

To be honest i never thought much of it, yes i knew for a long time that agent proper was both a mod and a youtube detractor, but i never believed there was anything bad about that because he never tried to hide it
I guessed the boss of the farms was fine with it because why would i doubt that? We now know that Null didnt know about this, but again we had no way of knowing that.

He uses the same name on youtube and everything, i think a lot of the users simply thought the same thing than me. I was not gonna start sperging at a mod of the board if i didnt even know he was actually doing something bad.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Phil can both be a full time streamer and e-beggar, the two are not mutually exclusive. He begs far more than other livestreamers, so he gets more shit for it. Phil even admits in his own streams that he begs. I don't know why you continue to argue this point. I do agree that no one is getting scammed when they donate money to his boring ass streams, it's their choice.

The argument I often hear of Phil being a beggar is that he is tricking them.... somehow. That argument is retarded. If you cannot control yourself for entering your credit card because Phil is grumpy, that is on you. Clearly him being grumpy is a good tactic, he makes a fair chunk of change. If anything people find his "begging" funny, and when he's whining loud enough, they dump him cash, throughly amused. That's not begging. That's paying for a product.

 

[Crooked 16th]

Maybe next time let's just let Phil show off a Kat instead of bring the wrath of the rest of the site down on us. Causing some of us to get banned in the process and then having to send the DSP unban me please email.

Or is that to much to ask?

 

[myone]

Or the information that our former moderator 'Agent Proper' profited off DSP's content, linking his livestreams on here to drive traffic on his channel. This is problematic at best.

Is it really? I guess the board disclaimer was wrong all along, we actually are the autistic Illuminati after all, if we care about weird purity checks like this. Seriously, that's weaponized Fred Fuchs / SOK levels of autism.

 

[Squatty Potty]

The argument I often hear of Phil being a beggar is that he is tricking them.... somehow. That argument is retarded. If you cannot control yourself for entering your credit card because Phil is grumpy, that is on you. Clearly him being grumpy is a good tactic, he makes a fair chunk of change. If anything people find his "begging" funny, and when he's whining loud enough, they dump him cash, throughly amused. That's not begging. That's paying for a product.

Regardless of if people find Phil's constant pleading for contributions entertaining enough to donate, that doesn't change the fact that he's begging on the Internet. Making him a textbook definition "e-beggar". Phil's willingness to degrade himself online for money, complain when he feels he's not getting enough, and spend it on the stupidest shit is what opens him up to mockery.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Regardless of if people find Phil's constant pleading for contributions entertaining enough to donate, that doesn't change the fact that he's begging on the Internet. Making him a textbook definition "e-beggar". Phil's willingness to degrade himself online for money, complain when he feels he's not getting enough, and spend it on the stupidest shit is what opens him up to mockery.

Every streamer, fast food worker with a tip jar, and company that sells a product is a beggar by that definition. A ad to buy shoes isn't really different from Phil shaking his jar WHILE he provides his gaming stream. He isn't a bum providing nothing. He's gaming, doing something. You can find it funny and stupid, but he's working for it at least, he's doing his dancing monkey routine to get it.

 

[marlintan]

I think people that donates money to Keffals are retards and deserve to get scam in the first place then Keffals using the money that he promised to use for his legal fund into funding his drug habit is funny. I don't know how some of you people failed to see how funny the situation is.

But the bank leaks that proved that DSP spent 6 figures aren't funny?

 

[myone]

Ironically enough, today DSP had a 90 minute copecast, consisting in its entirety of unhinged ramblings about youtube rahbbing him of his gifted membership khantributions. Meanwhile people in here are earnestly arguing that he's not a pathetic e-beggar. Can't make this stuff up. 90% of his pre-streams are just counting money, complaining about money/views or begging for money.

 

[marlintan]

Phil is shit with money. White trash 101. He got out of it which is impressive when your enemy wants your house and assets to feed the black hole that is the federal debt. He beat the IRS. And that was after retards fucked with the judge

The IRS didn't care enough, how soon you forget the covid pandemic and how it fucked literally all US public services.

 

[WelperHelper99]

The IRS didn't care enough, how soon you forget the covid pandemic and how it fucked literally all US public services.

Now the IRS didn't care enough. This case went infront of a judge who talked to Phil privately. They were VERY involved. He beat the system

 

[ShooterOfCum]

Is it really?

To clarify, it's not the monetisation that's the problem. He is free to monetise his DSP restreams as much as he wants. I don't think many people on the site have a problem with that. At least I don't see anything wrong with that. The problem is that he was a moderator while doing it. If you ask me, it feels like a moderator should not be involved in such a way with the content he moderates.

I should also probably not say "problematic," but rather "contentious." As said, he did not mention this to Null to discuss if such a thing is alright. In hindsight, this is a valid concern, since Agent Proper admitted to looking to set up some kind of splinter forum for the detractors. Null voiced completely rational concerns that this might be a competing service. Whether the concern is real or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that it is something that is not obvious and warrants discussion, which did not happen between Null and the moderation team. It's easy to see why Null would feel strongly negative about the subforum in this case.

 

[myone]

I should also probably not say "problematic," but rather "contentious."

Sure, it's up to null to decide whether he wants that, but I don't think there's any kind of conflict of interest here. Also, it wasn't any kind of secret.

Null voiced completely rational concerns that this might be a competing service.

As other's have pointed out previously: Wasn't this on the back of null threatening to shut down the subforum? How would it be a competing service then?

 

[marlintan]

Every streamer, fast food worker with a tip jar, and company that sells a product is a beggar by that definition. A ad to buy shoes isn't really different from Phil shaking his jar WHILE he provides his gaming stream. He isn't a bum providing nothing. He's gaming, doing something. You can find it funny and stupid, but he's working for it at least, he's doing his dancing monkey routine to get it.

I don't know about you, but, I tip for good service, DSP never serves anything but his big ego... I don't see how he is different from the homeless guy on my block that ties us palm branches into "flowers" to sell for $2 to people in their cars while they pass by. May just be a matter of opinion I suppose.

 

[Squatty Potty]

Every streamer, fast food worker with a tip jar, and company that sells a product is a beggar by that definition. A ad to buy shoes isn't really different from Phil shaking his jar WHILE he provides his gaming stream. He isn't a bum providing nothing. He's gaming, doing something. You can find it funny and stupid, but he's working for it at least, he's doing his dancing monkey routine to get it.

An ad to buy shoes isn't 30 seconds of Nike bitching about their quarterly profits being down and that's why I should by their new shoes. I don't go to McGoyslops and hear the manager complain to be about inflation, why the McSlop went up by another $2 and that I should tip another $5 to the workers. I hope you're just pretending to be retarded with the false equivalencies.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I don't know about you, but, I tip for good service, DSP never serves anything but his big ego... I don't see how he is different from the homeless guy on my block that ties us palm branches into "flowers" to sell for $2 to people in their cars while they pass by. May just be a matter of opinion I suppose.

I mean there's a market for everything, including palm branch flowers.

An ad to buy shoes isn't 30 seconds of Nike bitching about their quarterly profits being down and that's why I should by their new shoes. I don't go to McGoyslops and hear the manager complain to be about inflation, why the McSlop went up by another $2 and that I should tip another $5 to the workers. I hope you're just pretending to be retarded with the false equivalencies.

See that sounds funny. Apparently not to you but somebody. He's putting on a show people are paying for. The bitching is part of the charm

 

[ShooterOfCum]

Also, it wasn't any kind of secret.

It might not have been a secret, but Null did not learn about this until yesterday. We need to keep in mind that he is a busy guy and won't be frequenting every single thread on the forum. That's just not possible.

How would it be a competing service then?

Are splinter forums ever a good thing? I don't have much reason to disbelieve Agent Proper when he says that he is not looking to compete with the forum, but it is not out of the realm of possibility that it would devolve into an anti-KF forum with time.

Wasn't this on the back of null threatening to shut down the subforum?

It's kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Null threatens to shut down the subforum, so the users clam up, mods think about splintering off, only making Null like the users less, only increasing the chances of the forum shutting down, making the users clam up more, and so on. You get the idea. I am not going to comment on who is at fault in this cycle, but it is definitely a cycle that drives both Null's and the subforum's mentality.

 

[Japs_eye]

Or the information that our former moderator 'Agent Proper' profited off DSP's content, linking his livestreams on here to drive traffic on his channel. This is problematic at best. Null claims he didn't know about this, which is disconcerting. This is something a moderator should absolutely tell to the administrator if it's an acceptable move.

"Eerrrm, if you look at example F on page 3,021, subsection B of The Rules of Trolling 101 you'll see the detractors were in fact, trolling incorrectly *pushes up glasses*"

Lastly, there is the general reaction from the subforum where all around no effort was made to extend an olive branch to Null.

When a guy comes in here yelling at us, banning all our favorite users, and DEMANDING we sit here and plead with him and explain why we like something that he doesn't- I'm gonna tell him to suck my dick from the back. That is drag queen levels of faggotry

 

[Lord_Point]

Are splinter forums ever a good thing? I don't have much reason to disbelieve Agent Proper when he says that he is not looking to compete with the forum

I dont really understand this point at all from the dear feeder. What compition? According to the ballwashers the DSP subform doesnt interact with the rest of the farms and is full of subhuman leeches. Why would he-who-must-not-be-triggered give a shit if the worst users were siphoned off?