US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Terrifik]

Pre-emptive coping about Iowa:

Opinion: Iowans consistently get it wrong

https://lite.cnn.com/2024/01/15/opinions/gop-iowa-caucuses-trump-lenz/index.html

https://archive.ph/jtB30

One little tweak and fact checking becomes fun.

It's not wrong it's just a lot of weak candidates which would be an easy win for Bidden minus Nikki Haley for some reason.

 

[dustbuster]

Everyone knows Trump is the nominee.

The whole point is to deliberately flush as much money down the toilet before the general to cripple Trump's movement.

Then, when they lose, blame Trump's message and attempt to bring back neocon shit.

At least that's the plan.
What will happen instead if the neocons get their way is the GOP base will go home forever, and they'll wither and die while Democrats stack the courts.

 

[Eggplant Wizard]

It's a total shitshow. We are stretched so thin, that if Iran russia and China decided to declare war right now? They could probably take whatever they wanted locally.

I am by no means an expert, but look at how bad we are man. We've sent most of our gear to Ukraine and Israel already, we already have to deal with shit in yemen, we dont have high enlistment, Our manufacturing is shit, our miliary cant plan or manage objectives for shit because they want to draw things out for the industrial military complex. The guy whos' supposed to be in charge is in the fucking hospital and his intern is running the show.

At best we do pretty ok for the first couple months conventionally before we start running out of missiles, ammo and the like. Then we have to pull out or risk getting fucked.

It leads me to the inescapable conclusion. Either the US swallows it's fucking pride some time in the next couple years and stops being a superpower, ( with some face saving lies) or it launches nukes first and goes nuts.

https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1746309434945540421 Palestine protesters rock the fence at the white house. first time ive seen SS in riot gear.

We have enough conventional munitions to turn a landmass the size of Texas into glass. We also have the means to fully deploy it within three weeks, anywhere on the planet. What we don’t have currently is a competent enough chain of command to actually do it.

Our manufacturing isn’t shit, it is being hamstrung by the gov’t. We can get things back into gear within two months, we just need to either elect people to remove the legislation or flat out ignore it.

If America was united and was at war with the world, with literally everyone trying their damn hardest to beat us, we would lose Hawaii and Alaska to the sheer numbers of the hordes, maybe. Eventually we would secure the sea near the mainland, then we could go and liberate lost territories. This is why foreign countries invest so much into dividing Americans.

Never forget the power of a solid manufacturing core backed by the mother of all weapon surpluses.

 

[dustbuster]

We have enough conventional munitions to turn a landmass the size of Texas into glass.

HAD.
We sent it all to Ukraine, and now Russia alone is manufacturing several times the number of shells NATO does in its entireity, for a fraction of the cost (because THEY still have domestic industry).

What won world war 2 for the USA was the huge industrial base that could be re-purposed to the war effort.

Now we have debt collection and telemarketing call centers, and welfare queens.
Our steel comes from china, our fertilizer from russia, our electronics from taiwan, and our fuel from the saudis.

 

[April Ryan]

In what p

HAD.
We sent it all to Ukraine, and now Russia alone is manufacturing several times the number of shells NATO does in its entireity, for a fraction of the cost (because THEY still have domestic industry).

What won world war 2 for the USA was the huge industrial base that could be re-purposed to the war effort.

Now we have debt collection and telemarketing call centers, and welfare queens.
Our steel comes from china, our fertilizer from russia, our electronics from taiwan, and our fuel from the saudis.

In what possible way has it all been sent to Ukraine? A few 30 year old himars and patriots represent such a minuscule fraction of the US arsenal as to be irrelevant. The amount of artillery shells sent has been massively overstated, and even if the stockpiles were empty it still would not matter as the air force and navy have not sent anything. The USAF could solo the entire planet, with the only thing that could slow it down being the US navy. Any war with Russia would be 48 hours of their entire military being precision bombed to annihilation followed by Putin begging for mercy, and a blockade of the Strait of Malacca would completely cripple the Chinese in about a month with out needing to fire a shot.

Yes, if the rot continues for another decade things will be very different, but the utter superiority of the US military right now can not be overcome by anyone, no matter how many troons are involved.

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

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https://twitter.com/FBI/status/1746910418436513980

The FBI killed him so they could marionette his corpse and make him say the shit they wanted.

If you ever wonder how the government got as bad as it is, just remember they were always evil. They've just lost the ability to hide it.

 

[dustbuster]

In what p

In what possible way has it all been sent to Ukraine? A few 30 year old himars and patriots represent such a minuscule fraction of the US arsenal as to be irrelevant. The amount of artillery shells sent has been massively overstated, and even if the stockpiles were empty it still would not matter as the air force and navy have not sent anything. The USAF could solo the entire planet, with the only thing that could slow it down being the US navy. Any war with Russia would be 48 hours of their entire military being precision bombed to annihilation followed by Putin begging for mercy, and a blockade of the Strait of Malacca would completely cripple the Chinese in about a month with out needing to fire a shot.

Yes, if the rot continues for another decade things will be very different, but the utter superiority of the US military right now can not be overcome by anyone, no matter how many troons are involved.

Someone's swallowing the neocon propaganda whole.
We're literally unable to match Russia in manufacturing speed and cost of shells.
It's not even close

 

[namelesstacotruck]

The United States military needs to actually go positive on their win loss ratio in my living memory against opponents for me to respect them.

Yeah they beat Iraq. Goatfuckers beat them in Afghanistan though.

 

[tehpope]

The United States military needs to actually go positive on their win loss ratio in my living memory against opponents for me to respect them.

In modern times, they're not meant to win wars. They're meant to keep them going to line the pockets of the MIC CEOs and shareholders in the various MIC companies.

 

[The Ugly One]

Our manufacturing isn’t shit, it is being hamstrung by the gov’t. We can get things back into gear within two months, we just need to either elect people to remove the legislation or flat out ignore it.

We have a single source of black powder, a critical starter in artillery propellant. The assembly lines to make Javelins at scale are gone. And if somebody actually sinks an aircraft carrier, a replacement simply isn't going to happen.

Any war with Russia would be 48 hours of their entire military being precision bombed to annihilation followed by Putin begging for mercy, and a blockade of the Strait of Malacca would completely cripple the Chinese in about a month with out needing to fire a shot.

In this fantasy of yours where the US Air Force is bombing Russian territory, I assume these jets are based somewhere that's not in range of a Kalibr? We're going to mass air power, take flight, and hit all the strategic targets in Russia before their long range ballistic missiles can launch? Get 'em like the Japs got us at Pearl Harbor, except we're gonna surprise attack all of Russia?

 

[silverstacks]

 

[SBG]

Everyone knows Trump is the nominee.
Why waste your time watching the caucuses or reeeing about them?

The anti-Trump people want to imagine they have a better feel for what voters want than the voters or Trump. It's entertaining to follow these primaries because you get to see how all their plans fall apart.

Personally I think it DeSantis would have had a shot if he'd made a couple basic changes.
1) State clearly that he wouldn't touch Social Security
2) Give up the sanctimony or holier than thou attitude

His campaign went to shit as they didn't get that these were bad things to voters especially when you're trying to act morally superior to people that already said stuff like sleeping around with models was funny rather than repellant. As a result, we're getting to watch these dumbasses flail around effectively shaming voters for who they already elected in the past while thinking this is helping them win. It's fucking hilarious.

 

[April Ryan]

Someone's swallowing the neocon propaganda whole.
We're literally unable to match Russia in manufacturing speed and cost of shells.
It's not even close

Who's talking about manufacturing? Like I said the USAF could bring Russia to it's knees in 48 hours. The ability to manufacture artillery shells doesn't matter when the Russians have zero answer to American air power.

And like I said if the rot continues things might change but as of right now the US is untouchable, and anyone saying anything otherwise has swallowed the Kremlins propaganda whole.

 

[dustbuster]

Who's talking about manufacturing? Like I said the USAF could bring Russia to it's knees in 48 hours. The ability to manufacture artillery shells doesn't matter when the Russians have zero answer to American air power.

And like I said if the rot continues things might change but as of right now the US is untouchable, and anyone saying anything otherwise has swallowed the Kremlins propaganda whole.

I have a minimum IQ threshold before I discuss anything seriously.
You don't meet it.
A simple perusal of the highlights of the Russia Ukraine War threads would have dispelled you of this terminal level of propagand-itis.

EDIT:
HOW TIMELY!
Here's a read right here in A&H to wake you the fuck up.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/first-...ts-the-vision-action-plan-coming-soon.180701/

 

[Betonhaus]

Who's talking about manufacturing? Like I said the USAF could bring Russia to it's knees in 48 hours. The ability to manufacture artillery shells doesn't matter when the Russians have zero answer to American air power.

And like I said if the rot continues things might change but as of right now the US is untouchable, and anyone saying anything otherwise has swallowed the Kremlins propaganda whole.

You really think private Jamal will be able to fly his Boeing built fighter past Russia's missile defense grid?

 

[The Nothingness]

Yeah they beat Iraq.

The mission was clear the first time the US went up against Iraq: get Saddam out of Kuwait.

The second time continues to remain unclear as Iraq current government is not a baston of democracy from almost a decade of nation-building.

 

[Eggplant Wizard]

Someone's swallowing the neocon propaganda whole.
We're literally unable to match Russia in manufacturing speed and cost of shells.
It's not even close

Again, all it takes is one piece of legislation, then we’re back on track. You have no idea how much bureaucratic bullshit holds things up. I say two months because that is how long it takes to beat the protesters out of the factories once we reopen them. No one can out produce an unchained America.

HAD.
We sent it all to Ukraine, and now Russia alone is manufacturing several times the number of shells NATO does in its entireity, for a fraction of the cost (because THEY still have domestic industry).

What won world war 2 for the USA was the huge industrial base that could be re-purposed to the war effort.

Now we have debt collection and telemarketing call centers, and welfare queens.
Our steel comes from china, our fertilizer from russia, our electronics from taiwan, and our fuel from the saudis.

All of our problems are social. We haven’t shipped our entire Cold War stockpile to Ukraine, they literally have nowhere to even store it. We still use domestically produced munitions as well, we have contracts that still haven’t run out for more munitions, our speed is slower because we have that much more stockpiled that we have had to retrofit for modern equipment. Yes you read that correctly: we retrofit bombs and shells, things meant to explode, for modern systems. The global market can be ignored at any moment, we just have politicians on the foreign dime blockading all attempts to break away.

 

[dustbuster]

All of our problems are social.

Were social.
Were being the operative word.
Those "social" problems have long-since graduated into structural and legal problems.

We have effectively deported every part of the industrial base we can deport.
Everything else we have made functionally illegal, from mining to smelting.
The Chinese can now stop any American war cold by embargoing steel shipments.

With a concerted deregulation and subsidy program to re-grow our industry, it will take a minimum of 5 years, but more likely 10-15, to restore said industry.

We've been trying with silicon fabs since 2018 and the first few slated for Arizona are still not yet active as of today.

And no, simply "restoring WAR industry" will not work.
That's how you end up with the current MIC monopolies gouging us and being too inflexible to scale.
We need legitimate, general, peacetime manufacturing that is capable of being mobilized for war in a short period like we had in the early 20th century.

Fukuyama's "end of history" is now thoroughly debunked and it's time to stop acting like "intellectual property" and "call centers" are a real economy.

 

[April Ryan]

I have a minimum IQ threshold before I discuss anything seriously.
You don't meet it.
A simple perusal of the highlights of the Russia Ukraine War threads would have dispelled you of this terminal level of propagand-itis.

Then tell me oh enlightened one, what exactly the Russians could do when 250 F-35s start pushing in their shit? When the sky is made of metal and every radar station, command station, rail depo and storage facility gets turned into a crater an hour after war is declared? I have read the Ukraine war threads, and have seen an Ukrainian army with old or obsolete equipment and no air support get 5-10 to 1 kill ratios against an army willing to zerg their way to small territorial gains. Just a few days ago I watched a video of 2 bradleys fucking up a t-90. How is it propaganda to understand that the military, that has resorted to human wave tactics against an underfunded under equipped corrupt pos country led by a fucking comedian, will fold immediately when faced with an enemy that can kill them when firing from half a continent away.

And by the way, the neocon line is that Russia is a dire threat which needs billions more money to the MIC to answer, so next time you try to shill for Putin you might want to update your insults.

 

[dustbuster]

what exactly the Russians could do when 250 F-35s start pushing in their shit?

Shoot them down before they make it that far, because it's clear they can see through the (much newer) stealth on our "stealth missiles" quite easily.
US Stealth Tech is built upon assumptions of radar tracking from the 1970's that haven't held since the 1990's

It doesn't matter if your radar signature is the size of a golf ball if the enemy is expecting golf ball sized objects and understands that REAL golf balls don't travel in excess of 700 mph

Stealth tech had about 15 years of shelf life, but it is now throughly and cheaply circumvented.
Our 5th gen fighters are the crowning example of the emperor with no clothes that is the current war industry in the USA, and the failure to properly guide ukraine to victory against a military force that consists of 1980's hardware badly and spottily retrofitted with the kind of coordinated targeting systems the US has had since 1991 belies just how incompetent our leadership are.

I have zero faith in a military that can't even protect our civilian cargo from niggers with third world tech

Now go back into the enrichment chamber until you learn to understand where we really are, before you and people like you lose us our own home territory.