William James Mitchell vs. Twin Galaxies LLC, Jeff Harrist & Jeremy Young & donkeykongforum.com, Benjamin Q Smith

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HedgehogBoysVEVO said:
Just chiming in to say I've tried Billy's hot sauce before. It's shit.
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I always figured it tasted like the $1 "Louisiana" hot sauce at the grocery store that's just Cayenne pepper powder dissolved in a fuck ton of vinegar with one clove of garlic for the whole batch.

Am I correct?

Edit: Watched my profanity.
 
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SCRAM said:
I always figured it tasted like the $1 "Louisiana" hot sauce at the grocery store that's just Cayenne pepper powder dissolved in a fuck ton of vinegar with one clove of garlic for the whole batch.
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Crystal is actually good and that's just cayenne peppers, vinegar and salt, not even garlic.
 
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Save the Loli said:
Galaga record holder was child rapist Stephen Krogman. Lonnie Cancienne--who was arrested in 1999 for flashing an underage girl--had the record on Asteroids.

Four that I know of:

Stephen Krogman (Galaga and Arkanoid record holder, TG referee) - raped a 12 year old girl
Ron Corcoran (TG referee and director) - Child molestor
Lonnie Cancienne (Asteroids record holder, associate of Ron Corcoran) - Public masturbation, including in front of underage girl
Ron Bailey (Berzerk record holder, showed up in a TG documentary) - Raped elementary school boys

Billy Mitchell is an associate of the first two, and Corcoran in particular is pretty sick since his crimes were covered up by TG staff like Robert Mruczek.

It seems safe to say that if you ever wondered who was setting the high scores at the arcade, it was the creepy guy who'd hang out in the back all day.
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If they were younger they’d all be transitioning.
 
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ZipDisk said:
Actually, your presumption was damn near spot on.
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And while that kind of sauce can be good, it's cheap for a reason. There's no reason to buy it from this swindling con artist at a huge markup. The Amazon page also lies and claims there's no sauce with more pepper mash. This is absolute bullshit. They claim 40% (all cayenne). I just checked my shelf and I have a number of sauces in a line that advertises 86% pepper mash, including their (mostly) cayenne sauce.

I would never buy Billy Bullshit's sauce because he can't stop lying even with easily disprovable lies when selling it.
 
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SCRAM said:
I always figured it tasted like the $1 "Louisiana" hot sauce at the grocery store that's just Cayenne pepper powder dissolved in a fuck ton of vinegar with one clove of garlic for the whole batch.

Am I correct?

Edit: Watched my profanity.
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AnOminous said:
Crystal is actually good and that's just cayenne peppers, vinegar and salt, not even garlic.
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Lousiana hot sauce and Crystal are both great and very similar tasting because of their simplistic excellence.

I never had Billy Mitchell's hot sauce but I have a feeling it's one of those overseasoned, overpriced hot sauces you see at the grocery store with a bunch of unnecessary shit added to it. So much shit in it the hot sauce is thick rather than just vinegar and cayenne pepper as a good hot sauce should be. All that extra shit makes the sauce overpowering. The food you put it on becomes the hot sauce because that is all you can taste.

A good hot sauce like Louisana, Crystal, or Tabasco enhances. You still taste whatever food you're eating with it, and you get the added sensation of the heat and the flavor of the pepper.

Tabasco is pretty good but it's a little too hot if you use it like I do. You only need a few drops of it, but whenever I'm eating a shrimp or an oyster poorboy, I like to really splash a lot of hot sauce on it. If I used that much Tabasco, it would be overpowering. That's why Crystal is preferable for my purposes.
ZipDisk said:
Actually, your presumption was damn near spot on.


I've been thinking of buying a bottle of mexi-pep to make diablo sandwiches, but the price is horseshit.
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He got the garlic part wrong. There is no garlic in Louisiana hot sauce.
 
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SCRAM said:
I always figured it tasted like the $1 "Louisiana" hot sauce at the grocery store that's just Cayenne pepper powder dissolved in a fuck ton of vinegar with one clove of garlic for the whole batch.

Am I correct?

Edit: Watched my profanity.
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That is exactly what it tastes like.
 
I don't really get why people are claiming Twin Galaxie's settlement equals a loss. From what it seems, both sides had been engaging in sanctionable conduct with each side filing motions to sanction the other. The whole case seems like an endless cesspit for both sides to burn money on in an infinite back-and-forth with the court, where the case isn't even about the case anymore. Settlement would be more of a win at that point than pissing away tens of thousands of dollars in fees that you'll never get back.

Unless a lot of money changed hands from Twin Galaxies in favor of Mitchell, which nobody can know if that did or did not happen, I would consider getting out of the case a win for Twin Galaxies.
 
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Because it's a complete cock block. We don't get to know shit. That's why we're angry. Closed settlements are annoying as fuck when you are a legal sperg. You don't even really learn anything. The only reason we know about the absolute retardation in this case is because of the depo, which was primo content, and the TG lawyer being a complete dipshit for going the cow route to confront witnesses.
 
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Caesare said:
Lousiana hot sauce and Crystal are both great and very similar tasting because of their simplistic excellence.

I never had Billy Mitchell's hot sauce but I have a feeling it's one of those overseasoned, overpriced hot sauces you see at the grocery store with a bunch of unnecessary shit added to it. So much shit in it the hot sauce is thick rather than just vinegar and cayenne pepper as a good hot sauce should be. All that extra shit makes the sauce overpowering. The food you put it on becomes the hot sauce because that is all you can taste.
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If it has the ingredients it says it does (just cayenne peppers, vinegar, garlic and salt) it should be okay, but it's massively overpriced.
Tabasco is pretty good but it's a little too hot if you use it like I do. You only need a few drops of it, but whenever I'm eating a shrimp or an oyster poorboy, I like to really splash a lot of hot sauce on it. If I used that much Tabasco, it would be overpowering. That's why Crystal is preferable for my purposes.
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That's what I like Crystal for, except I like it for fried chicken where I can just douse the chicken with it.
ZipDisk said:
Because it's a complete cock block. We don't get to know shit.
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We know whether he gets his fake record back. Anything but that means he lost. Actually even winning means everyone knows he's a cheating, lying piece of shit, but managed to eke out a Pyrrhic victory.
 
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Wow, I've always been mildly amused with the Billy Mitchell saga and have been somewhat following it for years via Jobst and other Jewtubers, and of course the "King Of Kong" movie and other videos. I had no idea there was anything on KF, or that Null was peripherally involved until I saw this feature. The whole old video game records scene is lolcow worthy as a whole, but Billy Mitchell stands (big) head and shoulders above everyone else in that esteemed category. I can't believe that the whole Twin Galaxies saga has been going on for what seems like a decade and a half at least, and there are  STILL countless LOL-suits and back and forth bickerings over shit that ultimately doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things. You'd think that these grown-ass men sperging over 40+ year old video games would at least try to move on with their lives at some point. Even Chris Chan is living in the 16 bit world, for fucks sake!

GamerGateSurvivor said:
Apollo Legend committed suicide. He left a note blaming a few members of the speedrunning community but he didn't mention Billy Mitchell in it.
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Thats because, if anyone could, Silly Bitchell (by far the greatest thing Karl Jobst will ever contribute to humanity is this hilarious nickname for old Billy) would somehow find a way to pursue legal action past the mortal realm.
ZipDisk said:
Because it's a complete cock block. We don't get to know shit. That's why we're angry. Closed settlements are annoying as fuck when you are a legal sperg. You don't even really learn anything. The only reason we know about the absolute retardation in this case is because of the depo, which was primo content, and the TG lawyer being a complete dipshit for going the cow route to confront witnesses.
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Minor correction, but it's not always a legal requirement for lawsuit settlements to be subject to an NDA or other legal secrecy, although it's true that most are. If I were the type to care (and I don't) I would suggest keeping an eye on the TG records and top score charts to see if there are any changes or Bitchell gets added back onto the lists at some point. If I were to give an uneducated, barely interested guess, there *might* be some disclosures and/or statements put out regarding records or revisions to previous statements made at best. I doubt Silly Bitchell will ever get his full "glory" restored to the record books by TG or any other record keeping organization regardless of any legal proceedings.
 
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A Statement From Twin Galaxies:
Billy Mitchell’s Donkey Kong score performances of 1,047,200 (the King of Kong Score), 1,050,200 (the Mortgage Brokers score), and 1,062,800 (the Boomers score) were originally accepted and posted as record performances by Twin Galaxies based upon either video tape submission, live referee verification, or a combination of video tape submission and live referee verification.

On February 2, 2018, Twin Galaxies Adjudication began investigating a dispute claim filed by a community member asserting that these performances were not generated by unmodified original Donkey Kong arcade hardware as required by the leaderboard rules.

On April 12, 2018, Twin Galaxies removed all of Mr. Mitchell’s scores and banned Mr. Mitchell from competing on Twin Galaxies’ competitive leaderboards. This was centered upon a technical basis of what Twin Galaxies believed to be a demonstrated impossibility of original, unmodified Donkey Kong arcade hardware to produce images shown in the videotaped recordings of some of the disputed adjudicated performances. The basis for this decision was an independent investigation by Twin Galaxies, supported by a series of detailed submissions, experiments, and analyses by Twin Galaxies and from the Twin Galaxies community, each with varying degrees of technical expertise and access to equipment.

Recently, on behalf of Mr. Mitchell, Dr. Michael Zyda, an individual who holds a Bachelor of Arts in Computer and Information Science from University of California, San Diego, a Master’s of Science in Computer and Information Science from the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, and a Doctorate of Science from the University of Washington School of Engineering, and who has been qualified as an expert by California and federal courts, concluded that the game play on the subject tapes could in fact depict play on original unmodified Donkey Kong arcade hardware if the hardware involved was malfunctioning likely due to degradation of components.

Twin Galaxies is committed to ensuring fairness for all parties and to allow and consider any new information that becomes available. In addition, Twin Galaxies seeks to disclose all and any evidence so that individuals can form their own judgments. To this end, Twin Galaxies openly and publicly takes note of Dr. Zyda’s expressed expert opinion in regard to providing a method by which the videotape content in question might have been produced.

Twin Galaxies' mandate is to verify that submissions meet verification guidelines, not to investigate how they are produced. This latter area remains available to experts such as Dr. Zyda and other interested parties, who may examine and assess these matters for their individual purposes. Twin Galaxies takes no official stance on the creation of submitted content but can recognize and acknowledge Dr. Zyda's expert opinion.

In fair consideration of the expert opinion provided by Dr. Zyda on behalf of Mr. Mitchell, and consistent with Twin Galaxies' dedication to the meticulous documentation and preservation of video game score history, Twin Galaxies shall heretofore reinstate all of Mr. Mitchell’s scores as part of the official historical database on Twin Galaxies’ website.

Additionally, upon closing of the matter, Twin Galaxies shall permanently archive and remove from online display the dispute thread titled “Dispute: xelnia - Arcade - Donkey Kong - Points [Hammer Allowed] - Player: Billy L Mitchell - Score: 1,062,800” located on the TwinGalaxies.com website, as well as all related statements and articles.
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