Crime The Gun Influencer Who Used Small-Town Cops to Import Machine Guns - Federal prosecutors target high-end gunrunning operation

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Larry Vickers announced his guilty plea in a Facebook post.

James Sawyer, the police chief and only officer in Ray, N.D., spent his days waiting to catch the occasional driver going over the 25 mph speed limit where the highway hits this farm town of 700 residents. Outside of helping nearby deputies with a rare car chase or the sporadic break-in, there was little for him to do, town officials recall.


Until one day several years ago, when Sawyer got a strange request, according to court documents. A man named Larry Vickers, who held popular firearms-tactics training sessions for law enforcement, needed a favor: Could Sawyer help him import a machine gun into the country? All he had to do was write a letter that would be submitted to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives saying his one-man department was interested in buying the highly restricted weapon.

Vickers was no ordinary instructor. He was a Delta Force veteran, revered by military veterans and cops, whose gun videos got millions of views on YouTube. Sawyer agreed to help. The chief went on to write letters saying his department was possibly interested in buying 73 different firearms, including machine guns and short-barreled rifles, prosecutors allege. He never saw the guns. The letters allowed Vickers and his associates to keep or sell them.

You’re the only one I’ve ever done these for because I consider you a good friend, brother,” Sawyer wrote to Vickers in 2018, according to federal court documents.

Federal prosecutors in Maryland last October announced that a grand jury indicted Sawyer, Vickers and several others for conspiracy to illegally acquire machine guns. Prosecutors allege that dealers and police officials from around the country worked together to illegally import numerous heavily regulated weapons into the U.S. The sprawling gunrunning operation has entangled a former Homeland Security analyst and the former sheriff of the most populous county in New Mexico.

Most of the defendants have yet to enter pleas, but Vickers shocked his fans, many of whom believe he was unfairly targeted, by pleading guilty in October to participating in the gun-import operation as well as other charges. He faces at least five years in prison.

“I own my actions and understand the consequences—big-boy rules as many of us, myself included, have said in the past,” Vickers said, according to a post on his Facebook account.

Sawyer, who resigned from his post months before he was charged, also faces five years in prison if convicted. Neither Sawyer nor his lawyer responded to requests for comment.

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According to court documents, Sean Reidpath Sullivan helped export two Swiss rifles in 2019. In a text exchange, Larry Vickers expressed interest in the lower rifle, prosecutors say.

The federal government first imposed tight restrictions on machine guns—which fire continuously with one pull of the trigger—and short-barreled rifles in 1934 to crack down on their use by gangsters and bootleggers. Anyone wanting to buy one had to register it with the federal government and pay a special tax.

In 1986, President Ronald Reagan signed a law that banned the manufacturing of new machine guns for sale to civilians. Legal machine guns—those made before 1986—have since soared in value because of their limited number. A fully automatic M16 is worth between $40,000 and $60,000, according to industry experts. Their owners are usually wealthy gun collectors.

There was an exception. Dealers could still get new machine guns to show off to police departments that were interested in buying them for their SWAT teams. All the dealer had to do was get a letter from the police department and submit it to the ATF, a division of the Justice Department. If police officials liked what they saw, they could make the purchase.

But some dealers began using the process to bring guns into the country without any intention of selling them to police agencies, prosecutors and industry experts say.

“People started abusing it,” said a gun-industry consultant. “Now you’ve got guys bringing in hundreds of machine guns a year.”

In recent years, authorities have begun to crack down. A Maryland sheriff was indicted last year for writing letters to help get machine guns that a local shooting-range owner allegedly rented out to his customers. The sheriff has pleaded not guilty. Deputies from a small Pennsylvania sheriff’s department and a gun dealer were sentenced to prison time in 2017 and 2018 for illegally importing machine guns and selling the parts.

Federal and local law-enforcement officials are making changes to their policies. One sheriff’s department ensnared in the case has stopped issuing such letters. The ATF increased scrutiny of such transactions.

“When we see indications of noncompliance or unlawful activity, we appropriately respond,” an agency spokeswoman said. “We have enhanced review of these transfers.”

She declined to comment on the Vickers case.

The government hasn’t presented any evidence in the Vickers case that the guns ended up being used in violent crime. But federal prosecutors say their effort to reduce gun violence includes cracking down on illegal gun trafficking and possession.

“Law-enforcement officers who engage in this criminal behavior are not above the law,” said Marcia Lubin, spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Maryland, which is heading prosecution of the case.

Mr_Big_Koch​

It was a single gun sold online by an Arizona man with the username “Mr_Big_Koch” that played a vital role in cracking the case.

Christopher Fiorentino dabbled in bitcoin, real estate and firearms made by the German company Heckler & Koch, hence his username on an online gun marketplace. He lived in a wealthy Phoenix suburb, and owned an Aston Martin and a Mercedes-Benz G wagon.

Investigators at the ATF grew suspicious when a dealer in Florida reported that a gun it had purchased from Fiorentino appeared to be a highly regulated short-barreled rifle. They discovered that Mr_Big_Koch was selling a lot of guns and didn’t have a dealer’s license, prosecutors allege.

When ATF agents raided the condo Fiorentino shared with his fiancée, they found more than 60 guns, including four short-barreled rifles that he hadn’t registered with the federal government, prosecutors allege. They also discovered that he had a Heckler & Koch machine gun that wasn’t registered.

But it was his phone that revealed a much broader web. There were WhatsApp messages between Fiorentino and a former Homeland Security analyst named Sean Reidpath Sullivan who had a side business importing guns from Europe. Prosecutors alleged that Fiorentino was buying imported guns through an alleged black-market network that Sullivan and Vickers had developed.

Fiorentino has pleaded not guilty to several charges, including possession of the unregistered guns, dealing without a license and pandemic unemployment-assistance fraud.

“Any transactions that he engaged in were through federally licensed dealers and anything they’re alleged to have been doing he was not aware of or involved in,” said Brian Russo, Fiorentino’s lawyer.

Sullivan also pleaded not guilty to illegal-gun-importation charges in September.

“We look forward to resolving in court the allegations that he unlawfully imported machine guns as part of his business,” said Jim Wyda, an attorney for Sullivan. “There is no evidence that Mr. Sullivan intended for firearms to get into the hands of dangerous people. And they didn’t.”

‘A peaceful place…a friendly face’​

To make their scheme work and help get the machine guns they wanted, Vickers and Sullivan appear to have zeroed in on small-town police chiefs like Sawyer, prosecutors allege.

The grand jury also indicted Matthew Hall, who served as police chief in Coats, N.C., from 2012 to 2020. Coats has a population of about 2,200, and had seven officers and no SWAT team during Hall’s tenure. Yet during his time as chief of Coats—whose town motto is “A peaceful place…a friendly face”—Hall requested the demonstration of 92 guns, prosecutors said.

At one point, Hall—on Vickers’s behalf—requested to see a belt-fed Belgian machine gun for possible purchase for his department, prosecutors say.

Hall hasn’t entered a plea, his lawyer said.

Prosecutors don’t say whether the police chiefs got anything in return for aiding Vickers. Text exchanges between Vickers and the chiefs included in the indictment convey the chiefs’ admiration for the celebrity gun trainer. Ray officials said it is their understanding Sawyer was an avid fan of Vickers’s YouTube videos.

At least one major law-enforcement figure was involved, prosecutors say. In the indictment of Vickers, Sullivan and police chiefs Hall and Sawyer, they allege that the former sheriff of Bernalillo County, N.M., identified as M.G., along with his undersheriff, sent letters to an Albuquerque gun-shop owner requesting demonstrations of more than 1,000 guns between 2015 and 2021, even though the agency’s SWAT team began phasing out machine guns in 2013. Manny Gonzales was the sheriff during the time frame noted by prosecutors.

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Manny Gonzales formerly served as the sheriff of Bernalillo County, N.M. Photo: Roberto E. Rosales/Albuquerque Journal/Zuma Press

Prosecutors say that Gonzales, like the other law-enforcement officials involved, had no expectation the guns would ever be used by the sheriff’s office. Gonzales, who ran unsuccessfully for Albuquerque mayor in 2021 and had been a Democrat, announced a U.S. Senate bid as a Republican this month.

Gonzales hasn’t been charged. A spokesman for his Senate campaign referred requests for comment to a recent FoxNews.com story in which Gonzales calls the allegations politically motivated, and said he followed the law and that his name would be cleared.

Prosecutors say the Albuquerque gun-shop owner to whom Gonzales submitted letters was helping Sullivan try to illegally obtain the weapons, and has been indicted in the scheme.

Current Bernalillo County Sheriff John Allen said he had no information on whether any of the machine guns requested by Gonzales were ever used for demonstrations for his agency—or where the guns are now. Allen has since barred anyone in the sheriff’s office from requesting machine guns for demonstrations.

“Sheriff Allen is deeply concerned about the potential circulation of over a thousand machine guns, especially in light of Albuquerque’s challenges with gun violence,” said sheriff’s office spokeswoman Jayme Fuller.

Last February, before townspeople in Ray learned about the charges, James Sawyer submitted his resignation letter. He said his health was deteriorating and he needed to retire from law enforcement. Sawyer had been living in a city-owned trailer and said he was moving back home to Alabama.

For Vickers, the felony conviction means that one of the nation’s leading gun gurus can no longer own or possess firearms. He must forfeit his gun collection to the U.S. government. Prosecutors said he can still use airsoft guns, but only for active-shooter training.

“Nothing could be a greater punishment for him than his inability to possess, use and demonstrate the use of firearms,” said Gerald Ruter, his attorney.

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I'm sorry but outside of Mr_Big_Koch, is any of this actually illegal? I'm 99% sure it's legal and the ATF just decided "well not this time tho lol". Because the dealer sample system is 100% legal and above board, it just requires everyone involved to have given their firstborn to the ATF which in cases like this, happened long ago.
 
I'm sorry but outside of Mr_Big_Koch, is any of this actually illegal? I'm 99% sure it's legal and the ATF just decided "well not this time tho lol". Because the dealer sample system is 100% legal and above board, it just requires everyone involved to have given their firstborn to the ATF which in cases like this, happened long ago.
It's illegal because their text chats reveal their intent and even though this is all legal the ATF get's to magically decide if you deserve your loisence to do this or not, they go around visiting all these people to make sure they're not just collectors, for example.
 
“I own my actions and understand the consequences—big-boy rules as many of us, myself included, have said in the past,” Vickers said, according to a post on his Facebook account.
Goddamn fucking retard. Don't feel an ounce of sympathy for him. This could have gone all the way to the SC and we could have had the NFA repealed.
 
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An absolute load of bullshit. I'll eat my hat if even a single one of these guns was used in an act of violence. Stupid niggers can post their shitty rap videos of them flashing their "GLOCK wit da switch an extenz" (GLOCK pistols illegally modified with select-fire switches and high capacity magazines) and sell the select-fire switches on fucking Facebook Marketplace, and nothing happens. But God forbid a law abiding White man and veteran wishes to exercise his Second Amendment right. Even in the days of Prohibition, the scourge of gangsters with Tommy Guns was heavily sensationalized by the news because of a few high profile incidents (St. Valentines Day Massacre, Bonnie & Clyde, the Dillinger Gang), and even then NFA 1934 was fucking unconstitutional. Hopefully Vickers lawyer is smart and will challenge the charges as being an infringement of the Second Amendment and not in keeping with the historical tradition of gun laws going back to the Founding Fathers. We have had quite a few wins lately because of that.
 
If criminals can get machine guns, then law-abiding citizens should be able to get machine guns. Any weapon a criminal can get, I should be able to get legally

ALL state level firearms restrictions are violations of the Constitution

If the Taliban and Pakistani goat herders can get the M16A4 with select fire issued to the USMC.

So should I.

 
These guns are only accessible to rich people, this could not happen to literally just anyone. You have to have money and connections.

That's the bitch of it: these should be available to every law abiding US citizen. The reason only the rich can afford them is because the unconstitutional laws, especially the Hughes Amendment from 1986 banning civilian sales of newly made machine guns, have caused the prices to be out of reach for the common man due to the limited pool of civilian transferable weapons. Machine guns should be viewed and treated like any other firearm and priced accordingly. All things being equal, there is no difference between a select-fire version and a semi-auto version of the same rifle that would justify the full-auto version being 10-20x higher in price.
 
If criminals can get machine guns, then law-abiding citizens should be able to get machine guns. Any weapon a criminal can get, I should be able to get legally

ALL state level firearms restrictions are violations of the Constitution

It would be better to say that if the military can have it, so should the citizens. The whole point behind the Second Amendment being included was to guarantee the right of the people to be able to arm themselves to be the equals of any standing military. It was to mount a defense should the government turn tyrannical and use the military to impose its tyranny on the people. Benjamin Franklin owned literal field artillery and lent them out to the militia during the Battle of Boston. Now, when was the last time you remember being able to walk into your favorite bang shop and walk out the same day with an M777 or an Abrams tank?
 
That's the bitch of it: these should be available to every law abiding US citizen. The reason only the rich can afford them is because the unconstitutional laws, especially the Hughes Amendment from 1986 banning civilian sales of newly made machine guns, have caused the prices to be out of reach for the common man due to the limited pool of civilian transferable weapons. Machine guns should be viewed and treated like any other firearm and priced accordingly. All things being equal, there is no difference between a select-fire version and a semi-auto version of the same rifle that would justify the full-auto version being 10-20x higher in price.
Yeah I know that. What I'm saying is owning a machine gun is illegal for practically everyone. But this specific situation is for people that that can pay for something that costs twice as much as a new car but does absolutely jack shit in the grand scheme of the world. Not just anyone can do that, only a very small group of people can do that.
 
Yeah I know that. What I'm saying is owning a machine gun is illegal for practically everyone. But this specific situation is for people that that can pay for something that costs twice as much as a new car but does absolutely jack shit in the grand scheme of the world. Not just anyone can do that, only a very small group of people can do that.

I would not be surprised if going forward we see more cases like this, only of a more and more dubious nature. Obviously someone who has a machine gun collection, especially a large one, is someone with money. Money means influence and influence means power. And someone with a passion for these kinds of firearms, or firearms in general, is most likely not going to align with the politics of those who are working to fundamentally change the US. TPTB who are pushing for these changes would probably see an opportunity to remove a political enemy (and their money and influence) by making trumped up bullshit charges to ruin them.
 
These guns are only accessible to rich people, this could not happen to literally just anyone. You have to have money and connections.
Yeah, they literally took away 2nd Ammendment rights from a rich person, and you're going to say "this could not happen to just anyone"?

I'm not making a point about the specifics in how they did it, or the guns in question. All they have to do is bring up some bullshit felony charges on you and basically force you to cop a plea deal and it's done.

Edit: I've said for a long time that the weird way in which they "decriminalize" marijuana is going to be a gateway to gun restriction and confiscation, as it's illegal for marijuana users from owning guns. Most gun owners I know who have been buying "legal" pot have seemed completely dumbfounded when I point out that this is a thing when they've had to sign on the dotted line that they understand this any time they purchase a firearm.
 
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