UN Pope Francis calls for greater dialogue and cooperation between Christians, Marxists - "I thank you for your commitment to dialogue,” the pope said in a private meeting on Jan. 10 with 15 representatives of an association of European leftist politicians and academics that seeks to bridge Catholic social teaching and Marxist theory.

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Pope Francis meets with representatives of DIALOP, Transversal Dialogue Project, an association of European leftist politicians and academics that seeks to bridge Catholic social teaching and Marxist theory, on Jan. 10, 2024, at the Vatican. | Credit: Vatican Media

Pope Francis this week called for cooperation between Christians and Marxists as a way to achieve greater “dialogue” and help in the search for the “common good.”

“I thank you for your commitment to dialogue,” the pope said in a private meeting on Jan. 10 with 15 representatives of DIALOP (Transversal Dialogue Project), an association of European leftist politicians and academics that seeks to bridge Catholic social teaching and Marxist theory.

“There is always a great need for dialogue, so do not be afraid,” the pope said during the event at the Paul VI Audience Hall.

Highlighting the nexus between social, economic, and ecological issues, the pope said that “politics that is truly at the service of humanity cannot let itself be dictated to by finance and market mechanisms.”

The pope buttressed his call for a more inclusive participation in economic and political decision-making by suggesting that “instead of rigid approaches that divide, let us cultivate, with open hearts, discussion and listening.”

“And not exclude anyone at the political, social, or religious level, so that the contribution of each can, in its concrete distinctiveness, receive a positive reception in the processes of change to which our future is linked,” the Holy Father added.

“Don’t back off, don’t give up, and don’t stop dreaming of a better world. For it is in imagination, the ability to dream, that intelligence, intuition, experience, and historical memory come together to make us be creative, take chances, and run risks.”

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Pope Francis meets with representatives of DIALOP, Transversal Dialogue Project, an association of European leftist politicians and academics that seeks to bridge Catholic social teaching and Marxist theory, on Jan. 10, 2024, at the Vatican. Credit: Vatican Media

The pope argued that “solidarity is not only a moral virtue but also a requirement of justice, which calls for correcting the distortions and purifying the intentions of unjust systems, not least through radical changes of perspective in the sharing of challenges and resources among individuals and among peoples.”

The pope closed his speech with a reflection on the importance of the rule of law, saying: “It is only in honesty and integrity that healthy relationships can be established and that we can cooperate confidently and effectively in building a better future.”

Pope Francis has made critique of the market economy one of the defining themes of his pontificate. In his 2013 apostolic exhortation Evangelii Gaudium, the pope wrote: “We can no longer trust in the unseen forces and the invisible hand of the market.”

HIGHLIGHTS | Pope Francis met at the Vatican with members of the DIALOP transversal dialogue project, which brings together socialists/Marxists and Christians in order to propose a common social ethic for Europe.




“Growth in justice requires more than economic growth, while presupposing such growth: It requires decisions, programs, mechanisms, and processes specifically geared to a better distribution of income, the creation of sources of employment, and an integral promotion of the poor, which goes beyond a simple welfare mentality.”

Vatican News noted that the Jan. 10 audience was “not a short greeting but an interview that lasted with spontaneous questions and answers for about 40 minutes.”

DIALOP was founded in 2014 after a meeting between Pope Francis, the Vienese leftist politician Walter Baier, former Greek prime minister Alexis Tsipras, and Franz Kronreif of the Focolare Movement, a spiritual and social renewal founded in 1943 — and approved by the Church in 1962 — to promote universal brotherhood and to foster dialogue between different religious groups.

Both Baier and Kronreif were present at the Jan. 10 meeting. In an interview with Vatican News following the audience, Baier noted that during the speech the pope highlighted “the need for solidarity” especially “toward socially disadvantaged people.”

“He called for a dialogue that goes beyond historical patterns, a dialogue that deals primarily with the excluded and vulnerable and that respects the principles of the rule of law.”

Kronreif said to Vatican News that following the pope’s call from the meeting, the association is “preparing a two-year project that should start in the autumn on peace, on how to build peace ... a project to involve especially the young generations in how to make peace grow from below, so that everyone feels called upon to create peace around themselves, to help the victims of war to realize what the roots of war may be and what are the tools to prevent it.”

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This is not true. The Bible records how Joseph implemented the proto-Bolshevik plan to enslave the goyim by tricking the indegenous Aryan-descended Egyptians into selling themselves as slaves to the Hamitic African Pharaoh and giving all their property to the state. This was the same move Paul pulled when he corrupted the Aryan Christ's teachings, except on a larger scale (the whole Roman/Edomite empire instead of just Egypt).
Since you brought up Paul & you’re trolling I’m unloading my hot take.

I do not care for Paul (formerly Saul) he comes off as a giant dickhead in the history.

>Be (((Saul of Tarsus)))
>Decide to be a giant asshole to Christians and persecute them even executing them
>Sees Jesus in a dream
>”I am now THE CHRISTIAN”
>Tells Jews they can now just stop studying Torah as it’s obsolete thanks to Jesus and become Christians too


That last part is what gets me, yeah I’m really sure those ancient jew scholars just really wanted to just drop everything they and the prior generations obsessed over. I don’t care if I’m committing heresy Paul just comes off as a real asshole. Without Paul’s bullshit Jews and Christians would have historically maintained better relations.
 
This is not true. The Bible records how Joseph implemented the proto-Bolshevik plan to enslave the goyim by tricking the indegenous Aryan-descended Egyptians into selling themselves as slaves to the Hamitic African Pharaoh and giving all their property to the state. This was the same move Paul pulled when he corrupted the Aryan Christ's teachings, except on a larger scale (the whole Roman/Edomite empire instead of just Egypt).

Christ wasn't aryan tho
 
jews did not invent communism. communism can trace it's roots back to medival europe, definitely not the mideast
All Marx did was look at what the French did during the Reign of Terror, slapped some bullshit woo-woo about the proletariat and the oppressed in there, and called it a completely brand new philosophy. Of course, you can also look at how fucked 1600's England was with weird-ass groups like the Diggers, Levellers, and Ranters.

Hmm... I suppose we really can trace the root of much of the world's evil to that foul, benighted isle.
 
Wow.. I feel bad for sects of Christianity that believe in or follows the pope a/o CC. The false one he seems more and more like every damn time he opens his mouth!

"Never an American" you say? How's that working out? lol
 
Wow.. I feel bad for sects of Christianity that believe in or follows the pope a/o CC. The false one he seems more and more like every damn time he opens his mouth!
There is no such thing as a true or false pope. They are all men and men are flawed creatures. Jesus knew this when he gave Peter the keys to the Church and did it anyway. We don't worship the pope or really (shouldn't) care too much about his opinion on anything. Our only real obligation is to pray for him.

I roll my eyes at his persecution of the TLM. Personally, I find the TLM extremely boring, overly pharisaical, and I hate that the priest doesn't face us except when he is sitting or giving the homily. I've heard all the arguments for why this awesome from TLM bros, but eh, it just doesn't work for me. I strongly prefer active participation between the clergy and laity during mass/liturgy. I just don't feel much otherwise. However, and I've talked to other Byzantine and NO Catholics about this at length, and we all agree that if that if the TLM works for some people, it should not be repressed. The ultimate goal is to bring people into the Church and communion with Christ. If the TLM is how it works for some people, so be it. So there is a strong feeling of general discontent towards Francis about this, no matter the Rite. I can somewhat understand Francis's view on TLM, but really, if he just left well enough alone and focused more on actually practicing what Christ taught instead of lip service, there would not be this 'problem' in the first place.

Matthew 6:6 I think covers this, doesn't it?
From what I understand, this was suggested because the Pharisees would make a huge song and dance about public prayer, but not mean anything by it. It was the virtue signaling of the day. It is better to pray in private and actually mean it then to go out on the streets and fake it for asspats.

The vikings could aim.
Ah, I don't have enough cocktails to reward you with.
Ritually cannibalize their own God every Sunday by eating his flesh and drinking his blood and chanting. It’s badass and if they presented it like that they could get all the Satanist heavy metal kids back interested in church.
I always think there should be more black metal Christian bands focused on the lives of the Saints. Some of the ways they lived and died were extremely hard and metal. The North American Martyrs and Ugandan Martyrs (which includes Anglicans) come fast to mind.

On March 16, 1649, Father Brebeuf and his Jesuit colleague Father Gabriel Lalemant were captured, severely tortured and murdered by marauding Iroquois. Their skin was cut off, hot irons were placed on their bodies and scalding water, mocking baptism, was poured over them. Kept alive for additional torture they were eventually tomahawked to death one day apart. Father Brebeuf is said to have suffered with such bravery that after killing him the Indians drank his blood and ate parts of his body seeking to acquire his courage.
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Black Robe - A movie about this.
 
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And so it goes. Maybe this time it'll shake some people free of their collective stupor.

"Christianity" as it is commonly understood (though I still hesitate to even associate this with the term) bears little resemblance to its origins. It was strangled in its proverbial crib. Christ's own teachings (even as distorted as they appear today) make it abundantly clear that institutionalized religion is doing it wrong. Very..very wrong. So very wrong.

One need not turn to man to find a savior or leader like some child completely incapable of taking responsibility onto themselves. Seek first the kingdom, frens - Gentile, Jew, or whatever other title you claim in this life alike. Pretty sure instructions were even left on where to look by someone who didn't want you to idolize him in the first place.

Nothing improves by constantly running from one savior figure to another while completely refusing to know thyself. It is beyond time to put away childish things.
 
I agree Christians should reach out to Communists like they should reach out and support other mentally ill individuals who need to be guided through life. Charity and compassion for the infirm is good. Retards can't help being retards.
 
Imagine being Catholic when half of your spiritual leaders for two thousand years have been complete cretins and degenerates.
 
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