Unpopular Opinions about Video Games

Nigger, speak for yourself. Don't project your failures onto other people in a desperate attempt to feel better that you are a loser.
I'm sure your Eve Online relationship with your father is a absolute blessing and you'll be telling your children and he his grandchildren about the time you mined that virtual asteroid for half a dozen of hours only to get enough virtual currency to be able to participate in murdering some poor bastard in 0 sec space for the first time together, miles apart...but together.


Maybe other losers like myself will wake up a little bit. Maybe not.
 
I'm just trying to find a way to escape the rat race myself and I sometimes think if more people at least could admit it to themselves that they are stuck in a loop they don't want to be, then having conversations and finding ways out or at least finding some respite from it all would be easier.

We can be slaves to our conditions but lets at least be aware of the fact that we have chains rather than willfully step into the mindset of those in the platonic cave that aren't by the power of self-delusion refuse to even acknowledge the sun.'




I confessed here, I confessed earlier too.
I used to play this online game before called Tibia, it was a MMORPG and I was in this clan run by a family.
I found it kinda nice as a kid that they all played the same game. But the older I got the more stranger it felt, especially considering the time they were spending there and how this place that in a way acted like a safe space from me *away* from my parents to indeed explore my own individuality was not that for those kids.


We can agree to disagree though, but Im not sure why you're being so against this idea, dont you see any merit in what im saying?
Alright, but what do you expect people to do?

People always identify a problem but never propose a solution, especially not one that isn't some generic, cookie-cutter, worthless "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" bullshit. It's like when people tell drug addicts to just stop doing drugs, that can literally kill them and doesn't factor in any of the unresolved circumstances which lead them there. "Thanks rando, you just unmolested me and removed the addiction from my system."

Now I'm not equating casual video gaming to heroine junkies, but people like their escapism. Do you want the average wage slave to just use what little waking time, energy, and resources he has to follow the advice of "if you're wanting to explore something then explore it"?

It's just unrealistic for most people.
 
Alright, but what do you expect people to do?

People always identify a problem but never propose a solution, especially not one that isn't some generic, cookie-cutter, worthless "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" bullshit. It's like when people tell drug addicts to just stop doing drugs, that can literally kill them and doesn't factor in any of the unresolved circumstances which lead them there. "Thanks rando, you just unmolested me and removed the addiction from my system."

Now I'm not equating casual video gaming to heroine junkies, but people like their escapism. Do you want the average wage slave to just use what little waking time, energy, and resources he has to follow the advice of "if you're wanting to explore something then explore it"?

It's just unrealistic for most people.

I'm struggling with it myself. Even people with the means to get away from it are struggling with it. IT-professionals with 6 figure salaries stuck in some kind of Gacha game. I just read a thread here where some of them apparently act as the female characters are surrogates for real women to them. In the literal sense, they feel they have relationships with them and get mad when their characters or relationships change in a way they do not condone.

It's sad to see that intelligent people who do not need to "Pull themselves up by the bootstraps" still get stuck in this.
We could open up a thread to discuss on what should be done but the start of solving any problem is recognising it is there, right?


Again, I think we would find comfort in the multitudes that suffer under the same conditions if we were to just admit it to ourselves. That would be helpful as a start.


The other path is far worse, we're not at the end, we're at the beginning. The future can become much darker.
 
I'm sure your Eve Online relationship with your father is a absolute blessing and you'll be telling your children and he his grandchildren about the time you mined that virtual asteroid for half a dozen of hours only to get enough virtual currency to be able to participate in murdering some poor bastard in 0 sec space for the first time together, miles apart...but together.


Maybe other losers like myself will wake up a little bit. Maybe not.
Unironically yes. Haven't you ever heard the expression "it's not what you're doing, it's who you're doing it with"? One of my best bros from high school went to college in a different state, and some of my fondest memories with him were us fucking around in Starcraft 2. Not every fond memory is going to be some profound experience where you watched the sun rise over a lake, man. Sometimes it's the little shit that sticks in your mind.
 
I'm struggling with it myself. Even people with the means to get away from it are struggling with it.
If you're struggling to get away from it then you should see a psychiatrist.

I've seen productive members of society play video games. Like I said, I was introduced to video games by a guy who was 40 years old, and who already had a job. And he had no problems playing video games in front of us.

Video gaming is just this generation's equivalent of book reading, or attending plays, or movies and TV. Each was condemned by people from the previous generation as a waste of time. Yet they endured, because they were a medium that mankind can use to transmit ideas and enjoy themselves, and life is meant to be enjoyed.
 
If you're struggling to get away from it then you should see a psychiatrist.

I've seen productive members of society play video games. Like I said, I was introduced to video games by a guy who was 40 years old, and who already had a job. And he had no problems playing video games in front of us.

Video gaming is just this generation's equivalent of book reading, or attending plays, or movies and TV. Each was condemned by people from the previous generation as a waste of time. Yet they endured, because they were a medium that mankind can use to transmit ideas and enjoy themselves, and life is meant to be enjoyed.

I'm referencing productive members of society. What does it matter if you're a productive drone or not?
Each new technology brings opportunities and challenges. Do you think all the critique against mindless TV watching wasn't merited?
How many old people in urban environments are stuck eating TV dinners and watching TV screens full of goy-slop over and over again. Isn't the whole problem of politics today how mass media has cast a spell on a generation of people who can't apply their critical thinking anymore?

The urban environment itself has become a sort of prison. We live closer to each other but generally know our neighbors less than before. Coupled with detachment through technology it may not be long before that effect is compounded even further.
 
Unironically yes. Haven't you ever heard the expression "it's not what you're doing, it's who you're doing it with"? One of my best bros from high school went to college in a different state, and some of my fondest memories with him were us fucking around in Starcraft 2. Not every fond memory is going to be some profound experience where you watched the sun rise over a lake, man. Sometimes it's the little shit that sticks in your mind.
For real. There are so many times when I was a younger lad that I remember playing with my friends from school on Xbox (360) Live. I still remember when I first played Minecraft on the 360 (Christmas Day, 2012), me and my cousin were playing split-screen on a 36 inch flatscreen, in a snowy biome, trying to build a castle together.

'm referencing productive members of society. What does it matter if you're a productive drone or not?
Each new technology brings opportunities and challenges. Do you think all the critique against mindless TV watching wasn't merited?
How many old people in urban environments are stuck eating TV dinners and watching TV screens full of goy-slop over and over again. Isn't the whole problem of politics today how mass media has cast a spell on a generation of people who can't apply their critical thinking anymore?

The urban environment itself has become a sort of prison. We live closer to each other but generally know our neighbors less than before

Negro, stop making a hobby into some big statement about Society(TM). I sell my sweat for what I think it's worth, the end.
 
I tend to notice the same thing with the anti-coomer anti-porn types. If you talk to them for long enough a lot of them will eventually slip up and admit they needed a 12-step plan to stop touching their peepee to tranny fart porn, so they're going to project that onto you and assume because they had no ability to self-moderate, you must not have that either. So we now need a wholesale ban on internet porn. For your benefit, of course.
I caught on to that when he started trying to make some sweeping moral message. Dude just can't admit it's a personal issue that he possesses. No, it has to be because Gamers are Losers.
 
For real. There are so many times when I was a younger lad that I remember playing with my friends from school on Xbox (360) Live. I still remember when I first played Minecraft on the 360 (Christmas Day, 2012), me and my cousin were playing split-screen on a 36 inch flatscreen, in a snowy biome, trying to build a castle together.



Negro, stop making a hobby into some big statement about Society(TM). I sell my sweat for what I think it's worth, the end.
I have those memories too, I never said gaming as a kid is bad or dad joining in for a session is something to be alarmed at.


That's a really complicated problem, but the root problem is a lack of community, especially church.

Well I don't know about church but yes, it absolutely is. It's hard to rebuild that when you barely meet your neighbor anymore.
The more time you spend staring at the screen the less you'll meet them. Nowdays people even order food online, have things delivered by amazon prime. Even that "cons00ming" aspect of capitalist decay is becoming worse, however implausible this seemed in the past. Dating is crazy. People used to meet people; through friends, college, jobs, events, bars, etc. All that is now down to 20%. 80% of people meet each other online dating apps. These are people that have no connection to your surroundings. Even as you form meaningful relationships with that one person, that relationship is not rooted in the world around you.

There's some hope, people are developing neighborhood apps, people are trying to connect with events happening in their area but the more is spent online the less time will be spent with those people around you.

Anyway I'll let this run its course.
Let me ask you though, is it pointless talking about this?

You seem receptive to the idea, but you're saing solutions are idealistic. So do we just accept that the majority of the world will slide into more and more of this in the future?
 
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I'm referencing productive members of society. What does it matter if you're a productive drone or not?
Each new technology brings opportunities and challenges. Do you think all the critique against mindless TV watching wasn't merited?
How many old people in urban environments are stuck eating TV dinners and watching TV screens full of goy-slop over and over again. Isn't the whole problem of politics today how mass media has cast a spell on a generation of people who can't apply their critical thinking anymore?
The folks who introduced me to gaming were more than capable of using their brains to critique politics and what's wrong with society. And yet they had no problems enjoying video games. Just as their parents had no problems enjoying comics and cartoons in their old age. Again, it all comes down to how you consume the media. And if I'm being honest, prior to gaming being infected by SJWs, gaming was one of the few mediums willing to challenge people and allow them a place to vent without the political bullshit that infected Hollywood. Whether it's Ocarina of Time's Water Temple testing your patience, or Gradius testing your motor skills, or Mass Effect 1 and 2 testing your morality, gaming was a place for people who wanted fun without the modern goyslop bullshit.

I mean, what else is there? Sports is just the same crap repeating over and over again, where those with better genes and motor skills humiliate everyone else. Movies are all about SJW nonsense and gurl power except the women aren't appealing. TV shows just throw shit on the wall and see what sticks. Gaming at least asks the viewer to be involved while allowing them a place to interact with others in ways that keep it fresh and new.

The urban environment itself has become a sort of prison. We live closer to each other but generally know our neighbors less than before. Coupled with detachment through technology it may not be long before that effect is compounded even further.
So we should all just return to the countryside and be farmers all day. Yes, that'll do........except the farmers with large land plots and machines would just render you obsolete and no one buys your crops because the guy who owns large tractors and larger plots of land can sell food at a lower rate than you. Have fun eking out a low-level livelihood.
 
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I'm surprised it took this long before someone brought the "there isnt really a reason to..." meme issue.

There isn't really a reason to do anything that doesn't eventually lead to security (through money or amassing any other kind of assets), eating or fucking. There's less purpose to video games compared to kidnapping someone, raping them and then eating them but most people do the former instead of the latter.
 
I have those memories too, I never said gaming as a kid is bad or dad joining in for a session is something to be alarmed at.

This you?
It's even sadder kinda if people are having families and children and what not and spending that time online in a game that requires so much grind as Eve online. They could be out there building tree houses with their kids or taking them on camping trips. They could be creating meaningful engagements with the people around them and improving themselves and their community and having a lot of fun doing that.

You're backpedaling like crazy now that you're being called out. You started coming in swinging at all games, now you're narrowing your focus to gacha games and digital waifus, something that most of us agree are bad things. Those goalposts sure moved fast, didn't they?
 
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You're backpedaling like crazy now that you're being called out. You started coming in swinging at all games, now you're narrowing your focus to gacha games and digital waifus, something that most of us agree are bad things. Those goalposts sure moved fast, didn't they?
Because he probably realized too late how stupid he sounded by basically saying "Gamers are all smelly autistic antisocial losers living in basements!", but phrased in a less overtly hostile way, and forgetting that most people here can see right through that pRedditor shit.

And, not for nothing, but it also sounds like a freudian slip or silent confession from him, rather than an actual point of conversation/debate.
 
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You're backpedaling like crazy now that you're being called out. You started coming in swinging at all games, now you're narrowing your focus to gacha games and digital waifus, something that most of us agree are bad things. Those goalposts sure moved fast, didn't they?

I'm not backpedalling at anything, the man said that people have issues with "Pulling themselves up by the bootstraps". I gave him an example where it's clearly not the issue that's causing the problem. I'm still swinging at all games, some games are worse than others. Im swinging at Eve Online, am I not? Im swinging at Chess for gods sake.

What are you even talking about, you admitted everything I said was right and said the situation is hopeless so I should stfu, paraphrasing you.

Because he probably realized too late how stupid he sounded by basically saying "Gamers are all smelly autistic antisocial losers living in basements!", but phrased in a less overtly hostile way, and forgetting that most people here can see right through that pRedditor shit.

And, not for nothing, but it also sounds like a freudian slip or silent confession from him, rather than an actual point of conversation/debate.


Are you projecting now Foxtrot? I never said anything to that affect. It's you and others like you who keep talking about "Losers" and "My doctor is my Gaming buddy" and what not to somehow imply that social status has any impact on it.

I'm saying it's worse that a person with a family and especially children (if young, even more so) sits and plays fucking Eve Online if he does it at anything close to what it requires from an active player. That's why I'm calling you and your father out, though I did so more politely before.
 
I'm not backpedalling at anything, the man said that people have issues with "Pulling themselves up by the bootstraps". I gave him an example where it's clearly not the issue that's causing the problem. I'm still swinging at all games, some games are worse than others. Im swinging at Eve Online, am I not? Im swinging at Chess for gods sake.
Which is stupid. Some people have the time and cash to spare to play EVE Online. That is their decision.

I'm saying it's worse that a person with a family and especially children (if young, even more so) sits and plays fucking Eve Online if he does it at anything close to what it requires from an active player. That's why I'm calling you and your father out, though I did so more politely before.
That's not necessarily a problem if someone plays EVE Online. For all you know, that someone could be a contributing member of society, and he just plays EVE Online on his down time as his way of relaxing.
 
What are you even talking about, you admitted everything I said was right and said the situation is hopeless so I should stfu, paraphrasing you.
I did not say the situation was hopeless. You have many of the broad-strokes societal criticism correct, but you have the cause-and-effect inverted. I very seriously doubt if you took people's bread and circuses away they would suddenly take up arms and overthrow the system. It has less to do with those dang dirty video games sapping people's initiative and a lot more to do with people being divided over ticky-tack horseshit by government disinformation campaigns, and generally being unwilling to risk getting shot or going to prison.
 
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The folks who introduced me to gaming were more than capable of using their brains to critique politics and what's wrong with society. And yet they had no problems enjoying video games. Just as their parents had no problems enjoying comics and cartoons in their old age. Again, it all comes down to how you consume the media. And if I'm being honest, prior to gaming being infected by SJWs, gaming was one of the few mediums willing to challenge people and allow them a place to vent without the political goyslop bullshit that infected Hollywood. Whether it's Ocarina of Time's Water Temple testing your patience, or Gradius testing your motor skills, or Mass Effect 1 and 2 testing your morality, gaming was a place for people who wanted fun without the modern goyslop bullshit.

I mean, what else is there? Sports is just the same crap repeating over and over again, where those with better genes and motor skills humiliate everyone else. Movies are all about SJW nonsense and gurl power except the women aren't appealing. TV shows just throw shit on the wall and see what sticks. Gaming at least asks the viewer to be involved while allowing them a place to interact with others in ways that keep it fresh and new.


You're probably right about that it's how you consume it. I accept that gaming can be good, even great on occassion. I think I've been consistent in saying this. Also it helps some people out. Maybe Foxtrot and his dad can't meet physically so often, maybe that's an issue but then it's better that they stay in touch through a game than not at all for example.


There's ups and downs to everything.
I like playing games still and like you said, I think it keeps the mind fresh, especially something like Gradius.
But I think it's intellectually dishonest to say that there aren't glaring issues with where gaming, technology and online life in general and how its transforming our relations to one nad other. It's also clearly making us more passive and compliant.

We are accepting a lowering of our relative standards of living and abilities to do things in real life (both in financial terms but also practical, legal) because we are allowed a surrogate experience in the virtual world.
 
You're probably right about that it's how you consume it. I accept that gaming can be good, even great on occassion. I think I've been consistent in saying this. Also it helps some people out. Maybe Foxtrot and his dad can't meet physically so often, maybe that's an issue but then it's better that they stay in touch through a game than not at all for example.
So again, your point that gaming is bad isn't working. It's like people in the 1700s saying that attending plays is a sign of laziness. Or people in the 1800s saying that reading books is a waste of time.

There's ups and downs to everything.
I like playing games still and like you said, I think it keeps the mind fresh, especially something like Gradius.
But I think it's intellectually dishonest to say that there aren't glaring issues with where gaming, technology and online life in general and how its transforming our relations to one nad other. It's also clearly making us more passive and compliant.
False. That would be a failure on the side of the person, like when you have a guy who watches football games 24/7, or when you have a person who doesn't interact with people because they read books all the time. Also, gamers are some of the least passive and compliant people out there; any time there's an error, they bitch and complain. That's the opposite of say, MCU fans just blindly swallowing up content that was less substantial than the Sam Raimi Spider Man films or the Christopher Nolan Dark Knight films.

We are accepting a lowering of our relative standards of living and abilities to do things in real life (both in financial terms but also practical, legal) because we are allowed a surrogate experience in the virtual world.
False. People in the past lived with far less without complaining. In fact, the 90s was a time when your average pleb lived better than most people in past centuries. And that was the decade when gaming began to truly take off. If you actually studied real history instead of just reading off the script of some tryhard who hates gaming, you'd know this.

And even then, people had surrogate experiences with books, plays, comics, movies, and TV shows in the past. So it's not like gaming is the first time we had this. And most folks who are poor can't afford the new game consoles. Much less a good PC that can run them.
 
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