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[Rudolf's Friend]

I think the main reason why this movement popped up is because Breadtube is basically dying at this point with all of it's drama, so Youtube needs a new annoying movement to astroturf, and this was the result. It explains why so many people in this movement are Breadtubers or Breadtube-affiliated, well that and they basically want control over people's lives.

 

[JJLiautaud]

Kinda sad that we don't discuss NJB anymore:

He's such a smug asshole Jesus Christ and deceptive, there's a portion where he bitches about Montreal and its freeway system and "compares" it to glorious Holland(sorry Dutch bros) and the Autobahn and says that high ways shouldn't go through cities, like this:


but instead should go around them like this:


It really is tiresome.
(I know some these examples are weak, but this was literally 5 minutes of searching)

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

I think the main reason why this movement popped up is because Breadtube is basically dying at this point with all of it's drama, so Youtube needs a new annoying movement to astroturf, and this was the result. It explains why so many people in this movement are Breadtubers or Breadtube-affiliated, well that and they basically want control over people's lives.

I don't think so, this isn't a new thing. Psychotic urbanists who want to stuff everyone into a pod inside a giant, soul-crushing building and forbid them from leaving have been around for at least a century (Plan Voisin will be 100 years old next year) - and even the gay youtube incarnation has been around for years.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I don't think so, this isn't a new thing. Psychotic urbanists who want to stuff everyone into a pod inside a giant, soul-crushing building and forbid them from leaving have been around for at least a century (Plan Voisin will be 100 years old next year) - and even the gay youtube incarnation has been around for years.

I've been battling urbanists online for the last decade. Probably not as big as it is now but still something.

As far as "stuff everyone into a pod inside a giant, soul-crushing building" the first arcology you can build in SimCity 2000 is the Plymouth Arco, a Blade Runner-inspired monstrosity of a building that looks like those apartments where the roof line goes all the way down to the floor. The second (or third, I can't remember), Forest Arco, does have this bit of text suggesting a bit of satire: "The Forest Arcology is named for its attractive forest setting on the top level. Throughout the structure, citizens utilize recycling, operate ecologically sound industries, and maintain a rich verbal heritage that replaces television and radio. Unfortunately, the youth of Forest Arcos are bored silly and roam out into your city where they stare mindlessly at soap operas and sports programs displayed in the electronics department at local malls."

 

[A skinny fat man]

Kinda sad that we don't discuss NJB anymore:

He's such a smug asshole Jesus Christ and deceptive, there's a portion where he bitches about Montreal and its freeway system and "compares" it to glorious Holland(sorry Dutch bros) and the Autobahn and says that high ways shouldn't go through cities, like this:
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but instead should go around them like this:
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It really is tiresome.
(I know some these examples are weak, but this was literally 5 minutes of searching)

There's not that much more to discuss about him. He's a smug asshole who is basically everything he claims to be against. He just doesn't do or post much that's funny unfortunately. Especially not compared to urbanist communities on reddit and such.

 

[The Hardest R]

I don't think so, this isn't a new thing. Psychotic urbanists who want to stuff everyone into a pod inside a giant, soul-crushing building and forbid them from leaving have been around for at least a century (Plan Voisin will be 100 years old next year) - and even the gay youtube incarnation has been around for years.

That was also a big inspiration for ghetto projects like Pruitt-Igoe: they truly thought everyone would thrive in that environment. Some assume they were racist by design but that’s just because anyone who could afford to get the fuck out did, leaving behind those who didn’t, which were mostly black. These pod megaplexes would just end up the way project buildings did, except this time you’re not allowed to leave. It’ll be fun to get robbed and raped at gunpoint while you’re lugging up some of your tofu and bug paste from the supply depot, waiting for the dirty elevator that smells like stale piss, hoping some heccin’ niggerino doesn’t decide to make you his next target while you wait.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

That was also a big inspiration for ghetto projects like Pruitt-Igoe: they truly thought everyone would thrive in that environment. Some assume they were racist by design but that’s just because anyone who could afford to get the fuck out did, leaving behind those who didn’t, which were mostly black. These pod megaplexes would just end up the way project buildings did, except this time you’re not allowed to leave. It’ll be fun to get robbed and raped at gunpoint while you’re lugging up some of your tofu and bug paste from the supply depot, waiting for the dirty elevator that smells like stale piss, hoping some heccin’ niggerino doesn’t decide to make you his next target while you wait.

That's part of what makes urbanists absurd. They believe that the 1960s urban planning philosophies were completely wrong, destroyed America, freeways, projects, etc. yet are also convinced that they and like-minded city planners, enlightened with mid-rises, bike paths, and mass transit, are completely right and cannot be questioned.

 

[2lolis1cup]

He's such a smug asshole Jesus Christ and deceptive, there's a portion where he bitches about Montreal and its freeway system and "compares" it to glorious Holland(sorry Dutch bros) and the Autobahn and says that high ways shouldn't go through cities, like this:

unironically countering the argument against suburban sprawl the Br*tish had decades ago. Ring roads are a staple of a expanding city that needs to connect suburbs to each other. Chicago is a great example of how a ring will still form even when it can't.


also Houston is a great example as well.

 

[LaxerBRO]

So Alan is complaining about I-95 in Philadelphia and how it takes up the waterfront.

Okay, I agree that a highway isn't the most scenic use of the waterfront but let's temper our autistic emotions and look for a reason WHY this highway was built...

Huh...two stadium, a port, and the CSX Intermodal railyard.


Do you think a port, a rail Intermodal facility, and two stadiums need a highway?

Yes or no?​

 

[JJLiautaud]

So Alan is complaining about I-95 in Philadelphia and how it takes up the waterfront.

Okay, I agree that a highway isn't the most scenic use of the waterfront but let's temper our autistic emotions and look for a reason WHY this highway was built...
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Huh...two stadium, a port, and the CSX Intermodal railyard.

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Do you think a port, a rail Intermodal facility, and two stadiums need a highway?

Yes or no?​

>Complains about tourists doing tourists things
>Complains about vital infrstructure that makes a city a city and not a glorfied theme park
Many such cases.

 

[Luigi Cadorna]

So Alan is complaining about I-95 in Philadelphia and how it takes up the waterfront.

Okay, I agree that a highway isn't the most scenic use of the waterfront but let's temper our autistic emotions and look for a reason WHY this highway was built...
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Huh...two stadium, a port, and the CSX Intermodal railyard.

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Do you think a port, a rail Intermodal facility, and two stadiums need a highway?

Yes or no?​

To come somewhat to Alan's defense here, the waterfront in Old City is extremely barren and underdeveloped despite it's prime location due to the highway. Luckily, PennDot actually started a capping project last year which of course Alan failed to mention.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

To come somewhat to Alan's defense here, the waterfront in Old City is extremely barren and underdeveloped despite it's prime location due to the highway. Luckily, PennDot actually started a capping project last year which of course Alan failed to mention.

Either way, @LaxerBRO is right in that he's one of those people who takes a distorted view of the past to reason why the present needs to be eradicated.

Like pre-car streets being busy, dangerous, smelly, and dusty, old waterfronts of cities built on waterfronts had functioning ports, with fisheries, merchant vessels, and lots of warehouses, and many cities still maintain modernized versions of that infrastructure, like Philadelphia.

It's like how San Francisco had the Embarcadero Freeway, which by the early 1990s was torn down because "muh waterfront" but when it was built in the 1960s it was still partially functional with freight rail access to the piers that still worked as industrial piers (and in 1938, every pier had a railroad spur going into it).

 

[ComStar]

Do you think a port, a rail Intermodal facility, and two stadiums need a highway?

I do, but the urbanist has a fetish for rail lines goddamn everywhere, so we'd just replace one with the other.

Speaking of rail, what are the odds these people know anything about maximum incline for freight trains?

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I do, but the urbanist has a fetish for rail lines goddamn everywhere, so we'd just replace one with the other.

Speaking of rail, what are the odds these people know anything about maximum incline for freight trains?

Does it really matter? You'll get cherry-picking every time. You ask for a city without roads, they show you Island-Venice (despite its rapidly decreasing population—every single day they lose 2.7 residents on average). You ask for railroad grades, they'll say that the Madison Incline (with its super-steep 5.89% grade) worked for years.

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

That was also a big inspiration for ghetto projects like Pruitt-Igoe: they truly thought everyone would thrive in that environment. Some assume they were racist by design but that’s just because anyone who could afford to get the fuck out did, leaving behind those who didn’t, which were mostly black. These pod megaplexes would just end up the way project buildings did, except this time you’re not allowed to leave. It’ll be fun to get robbed and raped at gunpoint while you’re lugging up some of your tofu and bug paste from the supply depot, waiting for the dirty elevator that smells like stale piss, hoping some heccin’ niggerino doesn’t decide to make you his next target while you wait.

there were many similar schemes over here due to the severe post-war housing shortage, and they were plagued by many of the same problems - one of the most notorious being Hulme Crescents in Manchester, which were demolished in the 1990s, and exactly no-one grieved for them
they had several major fundamental flaws: they were often badly built, councils used them to dump criminal/antisocial tenants out of sight and out of mind, and their designers totally failed to take humanity's natural antisocial dickhead factor into account, assuming everyone was as moral, educated, upper-middle class and generally virtuous as themselves
also, from an architectural standpoint, concrete does not age well in a wet climate, and it only takes a few years for it to go from gleaming and futuristic to grey and oppressive

He's such a smug asshole Jesus Christ and deceptive, there's a portion where he bitches about Montreal and its freeway system and "compares" it to glorious Holland(sorry Dutch bros) and the Autobahn and says that high ways shouldn't go through cities, like this:
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but instead should go around them like this:
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that bit to the west of Rotterdam is Europe's largest container port, which handles a hell of a lot of heavy goods vehicles, and these have to go through the city to get into or out of the port - without the urban motorway network, these would clog up city streets instead, and turn the place into a smog-infested hellscape

 

[ComStar]

Does it really matter? You'll get cherry-picking every time. You ask for a city without roads, they show you Island-Venice (despite its rapidly decreasing population—every single day they lose 2.7 residents on average). You ask for railroad grades, they'll say that the Madison Incline (with its super-steep 5.89% grade) worked for years.

Of course it doesn't matter. But i sometimes amuse myself by pointing out the goddamn obvious to these people so i can watch them be all confused for a while.

There was this one fella who was absolutely flummoxed by the fact that just because a river is there, it isn't automatically suitable for container ships, or any large vessel in general.

He had apparently never heard of navigability, he was just convinced ships were better than trucks and unable or unwilling to think any further

 

[Xarpho's Return]

There was this one fella who was absolutely flummoxed by the fact that just because a river is there, it isn't automatically suitable for container ships, or any large vessel in general.

He had apparently never heard of navigability, he was just convinced ships were better than trucks and unable or unwilling to think any further

Yeah. One of the reasons why Houston is a big port area is because of extensive terraforming....and one reason why the Brazos River never took off as a reliable, lasting port was shifting sandbars at the mouth and unpredictable flooding upstream.

 

[Midwit]

You ask for railroad grades, they'll say that the Madison Incline (with its super-steep 5.89% grade) worked for years.

The 2.65% Lickey Inline in Bongladesh is steep enough to necessitate the use of dedicated banking locomotives for freight trains to this day, inclines are generally to be avoided since they need special considerations and slow everything down.

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

The 2.65% Lickey Inline in Bongladesh is steep enough to necessitate the use of dedicated banking locomotives for freight trains to this day, inclines are generally to be avoided since they need special considerations and slow everything down.
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and historically, you also had the Oldham Branch Railway, that had a 3.7% incline over a mile on the approach to Oldham itself, which was so long and steep that trains had to be cable-hauled up it

 

[teriyakiburns]

and historically, you also had the Oldham Branch Railway, that had a 3.7% incline over a mile on the approach to Oldham itself, which was so long and steep that trains had to be cable-hauled up it

Looking back from today, perhaps people should have taken the hint and just not gone there.