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US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians
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I never though of it like that. I'm guessing state governments aren't subject to civil asset forfeitures?
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They have minority support in their own states and will be lynched
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I feel like you are really ignoring the meat of the argument here. Every actor in this situation is aware of the precedent in the courts as well as what the law actually says.
The entire cause of this situation is that the US has ruled that yes, only the federal authorities have the authority to enforce immigration policies. Much like in Arizona a decade or so ago. But today the situation is this:
"What do you do when the federal government refuses to enforce the laws of which they are the sole authority?"
This is the question we are waiting to be answered. As the White House has proven over the past several years that they have absolutely no intention of enforcing immigration laws that already exist. In fact they will provide material support in getting illegal migrants over the border. To the extent of breaking down barriers to let them through as has been captured on video numerous times.
So, does Texas and the other border states just have to eat the shit sandwich the White House puts on them while also giving them no recourse of any kind to alleviate the situation?
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If this move started en masse the blue states would do everything to make moving out of state as painful as possible. You already see the tip of the iceberg in California with the absolutely absurd state income taxes you have to pay for an entire decade after leaving.
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Sorry about the double post, but this is a very pertinent point.
This isn't a small law either: immigration enforcement and the lack therein is a de facto dissolution of the union. Much like slavery this is a question that will break America if the status quo doesn't change.
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Please do let me know when the supreme court gets around to protecting rights in blue states.
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Yes. It is important to understand that what is happening in Texas today is 14 years after Arizona SB 1070 back in 2010. Wherein the Obama Administration and SCOTUS took legal action against Arizona for stepping on the toes of their authority.
This SCOTUS ruling declared that state authorities could not even take steps to identify illegal immigrants and turn them over to federal authorities. That they couldn't do anything.
This whole crisis has been stewing for decades we are finally getting close to the boiling point. It is just as grave as 1861 because the entire point is that you are denying the states agency within our representative government. Which are again States' Rights.
The states have tried asking the federal government to enforce laws that already exist for decades and were met with silence. It isn't like they can go to Congress and make a law saying they should enforce other laws that we already have. They have no recourse here and so far the response of the White House for taking things into their own hands is direct punishment.
This is why it's peak faggotry to harp on about the Federal Supremacy clause because you are in effect going "but the law says!" While simultaneously ignoring that one side in the argument is already ignoring what the law says and has been for years.
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It's pretty intentionally setup that most laws will contradict either other in some ways. There was a list of all these obsolete laws, one which was about if any country the US has a treaty with bans something, then it's banned in the US too. Their example was that technically owning a lobster is illegal. There's so much selective enforcement on things and so convoluted that you can almost guarantee if you ask most lawyers some detail you'll get a different answer every time. They want it that way, I believe, so they can nail those they don't like and let those they do off scott free (cough Hunter cough)
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A lot of big political donors figured out about a decade ago that the real power to create chaos doesn't come from the law makers, but with the law enforcers. Soros was kind of a genius for diverting his efforts to local and state races. Unfortunately, it only works if you're trying to destroy the society. If you use the same tactic to fix it, you'll rightfully be called a fascist.
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You're not being creative enough if you believe this.
Suggestion:
"Agree and amplify" on defunding the police and restoring community policing.
Rail against professional police as a source of corruption and oppression, because they are.
Present the return of "hue and cry" doctrine and the bolstering of self-defense laws as a solution.
The right missed the boat on this one the first time, but they could stoke more ST Floyd incidents to push the above solution whenever they choose.
Reduce the concept of police to a rump whose only possible function is receiving what the citizenry choose to let live for trial.
Back before "professional police", it was nigh impossible to enforce the kind of anti-populist micro-management we see today top-down.
Back when "hue and cry" was a thing, cities were safer than the countryside because a high density of responsive men would overpower any gang.
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You are making the argument that immigration law as a whole is the equivalent to a 19th century law on lobster ownership?
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No, just that there's a history in the US of laws being unequally and sometimes ridiculously applied. And frankly, neither immigration law nor the lobster-style laws are enforced. That was my general idea. As others have said, Washington and CA flat out ignore USSC decisions whenever they feel like it. I just think laws without teeth are meaningless. I don't think it's fully settled, to say the least, whether if the feds ignore their own rules, who deals with it? Right now it seems nobody except Texas in this one case are even trying.
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I'm glad to know that my posts sometimes make an impact. I can't quote it since its from an old post but I'll reproduce it here.
Sounds like the predictions I've been making for a while might be coming true about the administration's complete lack of command authority.
This kind of thing is how you get a civil war, by failing to follow Rule 1 of Command.
Never give an order that will not be followed.
The reason is simple; once they overcome the threshold to disobey one order, they start doing it for every order and command authority collapses.
Sure, one little mayor seems like a small deal when they declare that X federal rule will not be followed; masks, guns, whatever. But it puts the Feds in a fix, either they do nothing and let their authority slowly erode and the country balkanize OR they crack down to try and make the mayor bend the knee.
What happens when the mayor doesn't bend? When the city council refuses to remove him, when the local PD and citizens rally around him, and the Feds end up arresting half a township for one little mayor standing up for his town? Well, done and dusted, right? CNN will call them all terrorists, the FBI office gets a commendation, and it's settled, right?
Wrong. The underlying command authority has not been restored, the arrested people are now martyrs, and trust is damaged. This sets the stage for another conflict, maybe even a larger one in a bigger city. And eventually, if the rift is not repaired (which the current power structure seems to have no interest in) the conflict will eventually rise to a governor telling DC to sit and spin.
That will be the real fireworks, I tell you. When a state's governor stands up and tells the Feds to fuck off with the support of his constituents then we are past the point of no return. The local FBI or Federal marshals might be sent to arrest the governor, and in response state authorities will be instructed to escort every Fedboi to the border. You better hope the local PD and state troopers are able to do that without firing a shot. Though if the shooting doesn't start there, it'll likely really kick off at any local military or NG bases. Assuming that they don't flip to support the Governor when this goes down.
Any way you slice it, this all starts with the political elite forgetting that all their power and authority derives ultimately from the consent of the governed. They have departed too far, and have sown the whirlwind.
This has been going on for years, with the 'Sancturary Cities' for illegal invaders and the low grade sedition with activist judges and the open defience with 'autonomous zones' and if you want to lay some blame on Trump for tolerating it you can. Regardless, the situation has been ratcheted up by the Democrats and Marxist Left for decades now, so I don't see the problem with the other side doing it now. Good for the goose, good for the gander, etc.
Either a reconciliation happens and the Fed starts to realign with the will and interests of the common man (unlikely) or the pressure continues to build to a boiling point.
You remembered! Truly, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
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Clown world. Hunter Biden is fighting for the Second Amendment against his father's weaponized DoJ
DoJ confirms they had all the info in the laptop (containing many crimes) a full year before Giuliani released it to the public
In better news, you can now legally show kids porn in Texas!
Trump once again winning in polls. DeSantis is starting to give up.
California remains the Master of Virginia
Citizens are starting to sue Biden because the immigrants are raping and murdering actual Americans.
DoJ confirms they had all the info in the laptop (containing many crimes) a full year before Giuliani released it to the public
In better news, you can now legally show kids porn in Texas!
Trump once again winning in polls. DeSantis is starting to give up.
California remains the Master of Virginia
Citizens are starting to sue Biden because the immigrants are raping and murdering actual Americans.
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More clickbait where the headline doesn't match the facts presented in the article, which are there in black and white. (very disappointing.. "just the news")In better news, you can now legally show kids porn in Texas!
The law in question doesn't bar the presentation of porn in public schools, it compels booksellers to include a sexual content rating like the ESRB for games.
I still don't agree with the ruling, because it assumes "corporate personhood" and under its rationale any basic product labeling/disclosure regulations are "compelled speech", but let's be very clear this is very different from a judge issuing a judicial order to expose kids to porn.
The Texas GOP were too cucky to confront this head-on, and the court was too autistic to recognize the implications of making it unconstitutional for the government to protect consumers' right to be informed.
Given the implications for product labeling laws in general, I do hope they appeal this to the supreme court. I'll have to find the ruling to see how bad the implications are for things like food and drug safety labeling in the 5th circuit. It's a question of how well Paxton understands these implications and argues them as to whether this case will properly move forward.
Executive orders are not durable enough for this kind of policy.
It must be banned by constitutional amendment, but because of just how unfeasible that is with the current compromised senate, it's probably better to spin up pro-liberty lawfare operations in general and start racking up precedents.
America First Legal is a good start, but the rot is so deep and so broad you need specialist groups for all measure of things from commerce law to child protection.
Milton Friedman's assertion economic freedom is an essential prerequisite to political freedom is especially relevant these days, but I'm unaware of anything beyond Citizens United that codifies this in judicial precedent.
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I try to remember anyone who makes good points in here. As an aside, you have no idea how much trouble that period in your username gave me. I spent longer than I care to admit trying to recall your name exactly to link you.
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An action movie by A24? Sounds like an oxymoron
Also WTF Kirsten, what happened to you? You didn't just hit the wall, the wall suplexed you
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That was my editorialization. Content warnings like in the case are precisely put in law so you can restrict the material to some extent. Of note that this rating system was supposed to work in tandem with new rules (that are still in place, but now have less teeth) that specifically prohibited public school libraries to have such material. So, I feel like both my editorialization and the headline is accurate.
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I feel like the labeling rule is an excuse for officials charged with vetting curricula to be lazy, which is how we got here in the first place.
If they did their damn job we wouldn't have AP textbooks that vilify the USA based on "critical theory" or present Trump with the same "honesty" and tone that wikipedia describes GamerGate or this forum.
It feels like the "organic" label for food, which is effectively useless.
That label was never the "teeth" in the law, the prohibition on presenting porn to minors is.
It should be enhanced to include critical race theory and foreign-sourced anti-american propaganda.
Parent and public interest groups will need to be vigilant: you cannot have "democracy" without people participating, which takes work
(which is why I ridicule democracy: human nature trends to laziness -- But it is the current system)
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Red states plan to cut taxes and staff their entire education systems from K through college with the most insane Marxists in the country. You see, once those kids start paying taxes, they'll realize how silly all this woke stuff is.
Can't wait for the courts to declare there are no damages and no standing and also laches.
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