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[Useful_Mistake]

I expect they will try to issue arrest warrants for Paxton and Abbott. Which would be amazingly stupid, but y'know...

If they do this, I will personally apologize to dust because he somehow managed to manifest the funniest outcome imaginable

That said, I do want to apologize to all the rest of you for sperging out just now.

 

[dustbuster]

Mine are not [mutually exclusive].

Are you sure?
You acknowledge the corruption that has completely undermined the American system, then you cite that corruption as a point of authority.
I wouldn't call that consistent.

I can applaud calling out violations of the Constitution as long as you believe it is alive, if under attack

It is not alive.
It is also not flesh and not subject to irrevocable death.
It can be restored after being destroyed, just as Poland has been, several times.

You cannot restore a dead object with a power it does not have

You cannot restore the constitution if you don't have the power to do so.

We agree.

If Texas were to just defy the Federal Government and it’s organs (including courts), certainly you’d have a point. But that is at all, not the point you are making

This entire exercise of Texas policymakers is a challenge to the existing orders.
It is from the start defiance.
They have chosen to act first and present justifications later.
We are witnessing a definitive escalation from the clasped hands and the "but what can we do?" that was presented for 30 years before, and a definitive escalation from the pre-emptive lawsuits seeking judicial permission BEFORE acting that was seen with Paxton's lawsuits regarding state nullification of federal firearm suppressor rules.

In this instance, the TX GOP has at last moved from assuming total authority of the system to the soft defiance Obama had in place by 2014

 

[Absolutego]

You misunderstand.

Just like the maga crowd has made it clear that they will let the rinos lose rather than keep picking a side that will keep backstabbing them. The left has made it clear they will make their side lose if they get betrayed on this issue.

Thus far the left has shown more able to carry out their threats.

This is good politics and maga should emulate this.

I think your prediction is wrong, because every time a left-wing populist movement emerges to dispute with the establishment take they inevitably pout and pull the lever for that candidate after the establishment and media has sufficiently brow beaten them. Democrats got people to believe Nader is the reason Gore isn't president when more Florida Democrats voted for Bush than him. They've been kicking Green candidates off of the ballot in races way before they started trying to do that to Trump. They dad-dicked Bernie in the primary way more than the RNC did Trump and they still turned out in droves for the pantsuit-bedecked whore, because it is an axiom of American politics that right-wing partisans generally view their opposition as stupid or naive, while left-wing partisans view them as evil.

They will turn out and vote for whatever corporatist whore gets appointed to the top of the Democrat ticket for the foreseeable future because of this. Maybe when the McGovern or Dukakis campaigns aren't around as a ghost story to tell millennials and zoomers about the evils of questioning their party betters, something will change for lefties on a significant scale, but I doubt it.

 

[ForgedBlades]

 

[mindlessobserver]

he wisest option might be to demand SCOTUS rule on this to resolve the issue, but that could backfire spectacularly. Paxton has made an excellent point: the federal government is being derelict in its duties. If SCOTUS says, 'No, if you sit on your hands like this the citizens of the state have a right to redress the issue' that kills the Arizona precedent and suddenly sticks the feds with having to enforce or start calving off chunks of authority -- and no government likes to do that.

It would also require a charitable reading of the SCOTUS's original jurisdiction requirements, by saying the dispute between Texas and the DHS constitutes an interstate dispute. But that's also a non starter if you are Joe Fed Boy. Texas has armed troops pissing on your Cheerios right now. You can't exactly wait 5 months for the Supreme Court to deliberate. That alone would be a huge blow to Federal authority. Keep in mind that most relevant incident comparable to this would be the Little Rock crisis around Central High School, where the Arkansas Governor called out the national guard to prevent integration. Eisenhower didn't go to the courts. He issued an executive order and called in Federal troops. And that was that. The national guard was not going to get into a shooting match with the 101st Airborne Division.

I could see something similar here. Maybe not quite as dramatic, but it is certainly within Biden's power to order the Texas Guard to vacate as Commander in Chief.

The simple truth is while this is fascinating, the Federal Government has no need to establish court precedents here. They already have the legal precedents necessary to come down like a sack of bricks on Texas. There is no incentive structure for both sides to go to the Supreme Court to mediate the dispute because that is solely to the benefit of Texas for no realistic gain for the Federal Government other then to just get permission to do what they can already do.

 

[tehpope]

Biden (lets be real, his handlers) have to respond, and not just to be petulant assholes.

That's impossible. They're gonna be assholes about it and egg the right on. They will keep escalating the situation. The consequences be damned.

The party's in a crisis state. They're going broke in battleground states because people have wizened up to the idea that they just want to be paid to bitch and moan about how the country's going to shit rather than actually doing anything about it. If they don't give the people a reason to give them money, the party as a whole will be gone by the end of the decade.

That's critical marxism. Complain and keep complaining until you get to utopia. I'll keep repeating it. Marxists are like hippies: they have no money. And what they do have goes to their friends and other marxists. Not liberals posing as marxists.

 

[clipartfan92]

Not trying to clog the thread up so please only reply with a rating to this post. I'm curious how many others on this thread were Coast to Coast AM listeners (Art Bell era). I have a feeling that there are more than a handful.

Rate if you were a listener of Coast to Coast AM
Rate if you were never a listener of Coast to Coast AM

 

[tehpope]

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Man of the people my ass. Trump is more in tuned to the struggles of the working class than Biden. He's like that picture of Diddy giving a wtf face to a dollar bill.

From the same press conference:

 

[Weppers]

...

That's critical marxism. Complain and keep complaining until you get to utopia. I'll keep repeating it. Marxists are like hippies: they have no money. And what they do have goes to their friends and other marxists. Not liberals posing as marxists.

Uh, that article is about state republican parties.

 

[dustbuster]

Marxists are like hippies: they have no money

They have plenty of money: taxpayer funds.
1/2 to 2/3 of their massive spending bills have been trillions in our money handed to their foot soldier organizations.
We know the GOP in congress are frauds because they have allowed that spending to grow without rolling it back when in control for 20 years.

We're not talking "entitlement programs", we're talking 100 million dollar grants to "street justice action organization number 455" and "restorative justice bail fund 667"

(this is why the national GOP is so broke they're having to cut corners on their convention)

 

[clipartfan92]

She was just saying what everyone was thinking.

White House apologizes to former 2024 candidate Asa Hutchinson as Biden courts anti-Trump GOP
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Zeke Miller
2024-01-17 21:36:17GMT

Spoiler

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House on Wednesday apologized to former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson for a Democratic National Committee statement a day earlier that mocked the end of his long-shot 2024 bid for the Republican presidential nomination.

White House chief of staff Jeff Zients called Hutchinson on Wednesday morning “to apologize on behalf of the president,” said press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre. “President Biden has deep respect for Gov. Hutchinson and admires the race that he ran,” she added.

Hutchinson posted on the social media site X: “The call from the White House was not necessary but still appreciated. We can disagree without demonizing.”

DNC press secretary Sarafina Chitika on Tuesday responded to Hutchinson’s decision to end his campaign with a statement saying: “This news comes as a shock to those of us who could’ve sworn he had already dropped out.”

While a candidate, Hutchinson was critical of former President Donald Trump and — unlike the remaining GOP candidates — refused to commit to supporting him if he won the nomination. Biden has aimed to court anti-Trump Republicans to support his candidacy in 2024.

While he was governor, Hutchinson worked closely with Zients and the White House during the response to the COVID-19 pandemic after Biden took office in 2021

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

The truth about the Texas stand off is that the Biden Administration knows it will win. The SCotUS has rules many times that immigration is not a prerogative of a State and rests solely in the greasy hands of the Fed.

The bigger question in my mind is what are they going to do about it? Abbott seems like he wants to push this so lets say the Biden drones go out and get a injunction against what Abbott and Co are doing...then what?

If Abbott doesn't back down do the Feds send in the Army to stand them down by force? That's a giant disaster just waiting to blow up when you get a bunch of hyped up Nasty Gurls facing off some out of state Fed troops all it would take is a little mistake and shit goes south reeeeeeaaaaal fast for everyone and I no longer have the confidence that anyone in American Government has the brains or the balls to step in and stop it. It'd be like watching a train-wreck in slow motion.

However if the Feds make a bunch of bluster and noise but ultimately do nothing then what? The SCotUS no longer has any legitimacy as it's rulings can now be ignored if the Fed isn't willing to throw down to back them up. And I feel the Fed would back them up just because there are enough morons in places of power who would see a spate with Texas as a great way to consolidate an increase their own wealth and power and the thought of letting some Redneck Hick getting the better of Uncle Sam is just unthinkable.. Just think how many Dem Drones would cheer on a war with those ebil Red State Natzee's; a war that of course someone else would fight on their behalf as they're far too precious to risk their life fighting for what they believe in. No send in the corn fed Iowa and Virginia boys to go die on their behalf that's the ticket!

Let alone the fact that 90% of those Good Ole Boy's would support Texas if push came to shove. Awfull hard to live in a city that cut off from water, food and electricity, I tell you whut. Not that any of that would ever cross the Drones minds, they're on the right side of history after all.

It's elephants all the way down Sam, I'm telling yah all the way doooooooooown.

 

[dustbuster]

Welcome to the difference between enumerated powers and functional powers as bound by optics.

The border standoff is applying the same color revolutionary pressure the ST floyd did in 2020.

Biden's regime already understand the majority of Americans view them as illegitimately installed.
Marching in troops to open our border is not a good look for them.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Marching in troops to open our border is not a good look for them.

No, which is why I expect the next step will be Biden simply issueing an executive order nationalizing the National Guard troops in Eagle Pass, and ordering them to leave. If the troops still fail to leave after that, the Feds can just file criminal cases against them. There are lots of tools short of rousting the Army out of Fort Hood to go down and crack skulls. I expect those sorts of things will be used first.

 

[derpherp2]

That's critical marxism. Complain and keep complaining until you get to utopia. I'll keep repeating it. Marxists are like hippies: they have no money. And what they do have goes to their friends and other marxists. Not liberals posing as marxists.

Even when in power commies are fucking retards holy shit.

 

[dustbuster]

Biden simply issueing an executive order nationalizing the National Guard troops in Eagle Pass

I don't think it's quite that permissive.
The state of texas would have to be in active insurrection against the federal government and federal law.

I find it hard to justify invoking the insurrection act against the texas government for enforcing federal law, or to be more specific, refusing to neglect federal laws

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

I think I may not have been blunt enough in my comments about the Biden regime's options.

They can file criminal charges. Great. Who enforces them? Who can they send to take those officers in the Texas NG into custody? Once again, if you cannot enforce your rules, what power do your rules have?

 

[dustbuster]

I think I may not have been blunt enough in my comments about the Biden regime's options.

They can file criminal charges. Great. Who enforces them? Who can they send to take those officers in the Texas NG into custody? Once again, if you cannot enforce your rules, what power do your rules have?

The US Army or Marines proper (as opposed to the state guard) could do it.

Could being the operative part: would they want to draw that much high profile attention to the 10 million illegals they've been trying to deny for the past 3 years? Do they want to be seen aiding and abetting invaders?

 

[mindlessobserver]

The state of texas would have to be in active insurrection against the federal government and federal law.

No. The president just has to determine within his plenary authority that there is a reason justifying the federalization of a National Guard unit. What that reason is is irrelevant. It could be as pressing as a war with Germany, or he could decide Pennsylvania Avenue urgently needs trash picked up on it, and he knows just the military unit for the job. Or maybe they urgently need a field exercise. In Alaska. For 6 months. Starting February 1st. The only drawback, as it were, would be that a Unit of the Guard federalized no longer has to be paid for by the State until its returned.

 

[dustbuster]

No. The president just has to determine within his plenary authority that there is a reason justifying the federalization of a National Guard unit. What that reason is is irrelevant. It could be as pressing as a war with Germany, or he could decide Pennsylvania Avenue urgently needs trash picked up on it, and he knows just the military unit for the job. The only drawback, as it were, would be that a Unit of the Guard federalized no longer has to be paid for by the State until its returned.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/12406

10 U.S. Code § 12406 - National Guard in Federal service: call​

Whenever—
(1)
the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;
(2)
there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or
(3)
the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;
the President may call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws. Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia.

Last I checked, there was no criteria that reads:
(4) The President is unable with regular forces to PREVENT the laws of the United States from being executed by a state