@Android Raptor Love Thread

[Tablet County]

As far as I'm aware the public school system has the Catholic Church beat by a significant margin. Of course there's a difference in that public schools aren't a monolithic institution, but the fact that so few people talk about it while getting their panties in a bunch over priests is ridiculous.

One group's diddling doesn't excuse another's. And, to be fair, the Catholic church probably isn't the only denomination that's touching kids, the Catholics just got caught doing it and so take the "credit" for all the child rape. Anglicans are British and mostly a carbon-copy of the Catholic church so that's a given. Evangelicals are performative weirdos and the preferred church of basketball americans, so I'm sure they get up to a lot of it. Seventh Day Adventists are fucking insane so they definitely fuck kids. Methodists are too cucked to possess a sex drive and probably don't even know what sex is.

Well, sign me up for a fan of what's "cultish" then, considering the alternative seems to be rampant hedonism.

People are most often insulted by remarks that are about them, so I can only assume that you and/or people in your family have taken part in purity ceremonies. or have taken a pledge yourself.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Oh hey, that's the verse child abuse manual To Train Up a Child is named after.

You probably think the organization Black Lives Matter actually cares about black lives lmao. People can abuse things, you know this, even you're not that retarded.

That's the book that recommends smacking the shit out of babies if they crawl off a blanket to instill fear at an early age and beating your kids with long hot glue gun refills because it won't leave a mark (and thus less likely to get your abusive ass in trouble with CPS)

Interesting, is there a scriptural basis for those recommendations?

That book has been linked to several child murders.

So you're a big fan, then.

People are most often insulted by remarks that are about them, so I can only assume that you and/or people in your family have taken part in purity ceremonies. or have taken a pledge yourself

Who said anything about being insulted? I just know your worldview is based on moral inversion common to modern society.

 

[Android raptor]

One group's diddling doesn't excuse another's. And, to be fair, the Catholic church probably isn't the only denomination that's touching kids, the Catholics just got caught doing it and so take the "credit" for all the child rape. Evangelicals are performative weirdos and the preferred church of basketball americans, so I'm sure they get up to a lot of it. Seventh Day Adventists are fucking insane so they definitely fuck kids. Methodists are too cucked to possess a sex drive and probably don't even know what sex is.

Evangelicals are the religious whackos I know the most about because Bible belt. There's actually an ongoing sex abuse scandal with the SBC, where they has a secret list of 200+ pedos they did nothing about and who were allowed to keep having contact with children. And that's just the tip of the iceberg with the pedo problem amongst Southern Baptists.

Honestly I think Southern Baptists have an even bigger pedo problem than Catholics. Especially with how bad incest and spousal rape/domestic violence is with then. Unfortunately, that's what you ultimately get with any hyper-patriarchal belief system where girls and women are seen as inferior and expected to be subservient to and obey all men (especially their fathers/male relatives and husbands).

There's also the fact that a lot of Independent Fundie Baptist churches are straight-up cults, and cults like IBLP are massively influential. Add in the fact that we're mainly talking about areas where poverty and lack of education are big problems, and it's basically the perfect storm.

 

[Ealen]

One group's diddling doesn't excuse another's

I'm inclined to agree. I just think the focus on religious abuse is a smaller part of a broader narrative that seeks to undermine the influence of Christianity.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Unfortunately, that's what you ultimately get with any hyper-patriarchal belief system where girls and women are seen as inferior and expected to be subservient to and obey all men (especially their fathers/male relatives and husbands).

Good thing Christianity doesn't teach women are inferior, then.

 

[Android raptor]

I'm inclined to agree. I just think the focus on religious abuse is a smaller part of a broader narrative that seeks to undermine the influence of Christianity.

Most people don't have a problem with Christianity by itself. Contrary to popular belief, I don't. People have a problem with people using Christianity to abuse and restrict the rights of others, and with how prolific abuse is (particularly within more conservative denominations). As well as churches covering up and shielding abusers instead of protecting victims (and even blaming victims in some cases, which is another think independent fundie Baptists are notorious for).

It's hard to even study how common abuse is in religious settings because so little is ever reported. It's also notoriously difficult for child abuse investigators to work cases of abuse in religious communities, since people are typically uncooperative and kids are coached to deny what happened as much as possible (something you see in the legal records of the Duggar case).

Good thing Christianity doesn't teach women are inferior, then.

A lot of people sure think it does. Just like how they think it teaches you can beat your kids.

These are problems in the more conservative ends of all the abrahamic religions. It's not an issue unique to Christianity, its just that Christianity is the most common religion in the US so its mostly Christian fundies pulling this shit here.

 

[generic sauce]

Women from religious upbringing are more likely to be molested by their fathers than a stepfather so sadly no, that issue isn't rare.

Android raptor surprised to learn that people from religious backgrounds don't tend to have step parents.

 

[Billy Bob Dick]

Good thing Christianity doesn't teach women are inferior, then.

Depends on which denomination/sect/specific church. Mark Driscoll notoriously refers to women as "penis homes". Bill Gothard teaches that women are to be subservient to men in all things. There are some fucked up people out there teaching misogyny in the name of Christianity.

If you're saying that Christianity isn't INTENDED to teach that women are inferior, agreed. In practice though, that's not the way it works.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

A lot of people sure think it does. Just like how they think it teaches you can beat your kids.

So you assert, but it's not true and I've never heard a Christian actually suggest otherwise.

 

[Android raptor]

Android raptor surprised to learn that people from religious backgrounds don't tend to have step parents.

Sometimes they do especially if it's a stepmom. They don't give anywhere as much of a fuck about men divorcing as women.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Depends on which denomination/sect/specific church. Mark Driscoll notoriously refers to women as "penis homes". Bill Gothard teaches that women are to be subservient to men in all things. There are some fucked up people out there teaching misogyny in the name of Christianity.

Bill Gothard isn't Jesus or even an apostle of Christ, so I'm not sure why any Christian would take his word over God's.

If you're saying that Christianity isn't INTENDED to teach that women are inferior, agreed. In practice though, that's not the way it works.

That's definitely what I'm saying, but the few listening to Bill over Jesus don't seem to be in the majority.

 

[Billy Bob Dick]

So you assert, but it's not true and I've never heard a Christian actually suggest otherwise.

John Piper, a prominent evangelical pastor and member of The Gospel Coalition, teaches that women cannot hold positions of authority in churches:

https://julieroys.com/john-pipers-position-women-should-not-lead-parachurch-organizations-sparks-controversy/

 

[Tablet County]

Who said anything about being insulted? I just know your worldview is based on moral inversion common to modern society.

If you believe that. I actually have a lot to thank Christianity for, even if I'm not a practitioner myself. It's basically the reason all of the things I like about Western Civilization exist. But it's still an institution established by humans, so it's far from infallible and a lot of people fail to recognize that. Plenty of the moral lessons in the bible are actually legitimately good, even if you take them from a non-spiritual angle. The only downside to that is there's a chance Hell might be real and you'll go to it when you die, but there's also a decent chance you'll get reincarnated into a dandelion or get eaten by an alligator.

Good thing Christianity doesn't teach women are inferior, then.

I dunno, it wasn't Adam who got fooled by Satan into thinking that disobeying God and eating the fruit of knowledge was a good idea.

 

[Android raptor]

So you assert, but it's not true and I've never heard a Christian actually suggest otherwise.

I'm not Christian nor am I a biblical scholar, so I can't say I know what those verses are actually supposed to mean. I just know that a shitton of people think the Bible says women are inferior and it's ok to abuse your kids, and act accordingly. It's something that, again, independent fundie Baptists are notorious for.

The spare the rod bit according to pretty much all religious people in my region, means it's ok to beat your kids. Which they all take great delight in. It doesn't matter what it actually means, because way too many people take it as permission to beat their kids as much as they want.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

John Piper, a prominent evangelical pastor and member of The Gospel Coalition, teaches that women cannot hold positions of authority in churches:

https://julieroys.com/john-pipers-position-women-should-not-lead-parachurch-organizations-sparks-controversy/

They can't. That doesn't mean they're inferior, they're just not leaders, like how the man is head of household. Man and woman have different roles. You're not a blue haired feminist shrieking for abolition of gender roles, are you?

Sometimes they do especially if it's a stepmom. They don't give anywhere as much of a fuck about men divorcing as women.

The Bible equally forbids divorce by both husband & wife. Read the Bible.

 

[Ealen]

Most people don't have a problem with Christianity by itself. Contrary to popular belief, I don't.

I think a lot more people do than they used to, and it's for the same reason as this hyper focus on religious abuse. It serves certain people's interests to reduce the influence of the Christian faith as it leaves a vacuum that makes the adoption of a different set of dogmatic beliefs much easier.

The spare the rod bit according to pretty much all religious people in my region, means it's ok to beat your kids.

Maybe, but even then it's within reason. Contrary to what a lot of people think, I don't believe spanking is inherently abusive, not that I would do it to my kids, and I don't think that verse encourages anything beyond such. But of course, people will interpret their religious texts as they see fit, and to me, that's the broader problem. Bad ideas are bad ideas, but good ideas don't mean shit to a people not equipped to adhere to them.

 

[Tablet County]

They can't. That doesn't mean they're inferior, they're just not leaders, like how the man is head of household. Man and woman have different roles. You're not a blue haired feminist shrieking for abolition of gender roles, are you?

Leaders are generally considered superior to people who are non-leaders.

 

[Billy Bob Dick]

They can't. That doesn't mean they're inferior,

Yeah, we're never gonna agree on even the most basic terms of this debate then.

Look man, I was raised Southern Baptist and I was a kid in the Gothard cult when it was 5M+ strong. I still lurk on the fringes of that world, and I do not agree with the so called "Christian" view that women can't hold positions of authority because I flatly disagree with that interpretation of the Bible. It's a horseshit interpretation. You and I are going to have to just disagree on this one. Religious Christian fanaticism makes me want to commit mass murder.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

The spare the rod bit according to pretty much all religious people in my region, means it's ok to beat your kids.

Only Atheists who Google lone scriptures to take God's teachings out of context would come to that conclusion.

Do you think the guy who taught this would give the greenlight to beating kids?

"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." - Matthew 5:39

"But whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea." - Mark 9:42

Leaders are generally considered superior to people who are non-leaders.

By who?

I do not agree with the so called "Christian" view that women can't hold positions of authority because I flatly disagree with that interpretation of the Bible. It's a horseshit interpretation. You and I are going to have to just disagree on this one. Religious Christian fanaticism makes me want to commit mass murder

Maybe not positions of authority generally, but at least in church and the home. But I think you might have a deeper issue considering that last bit.

 

[Android raptor]

I think a lot more people do than they used to, and it's for the same reason as this hyper focus on religious abuse. It serves certain people's interests to reduce the influence of the Christian faith as it leaves a vacuum that makes the adoption of a different set of dogmatic beliefs much easier.

The people that focus on religious abuse the most are people that experienced it firsthand. Even fedora atheist types are usually products of fundie parents still in the process of deconstructing their religious trauma.

The south sure as fuck isn't in any hurry to reduce the influence of Christianity. The opposite, actually, and that's another problem.

Maybe, but even then it's within reason. Contrary to what a lot of people think, I don't believe spanking is inherently abusive, not that I would do it to my kids, and I don't think that verse encourages anything beyond such. But of course, people will interpret their religious texts as they see fit, and to me, that's the broader problem. Bad ideas are bad ideas, but good ideas don't mean shit to a people not equipped to adhere to them.

Spanking is proven to be harmful plus a lot of kids, like me, just start hitting back after a certain point (and generally become angry violent little shits).

That said when it comes to fundies abusing their kids, I'm not talking about spanking. I'm talking about literally beating their kids, often with objects. Usually there's violence between the parents as well. To Train Up a Child has also done massive amounts of damage. I'm not exaggerating when I say its a child abuse manual.

Only Atheists who Google lone scriptures to take God's teachings out of context would come to that conclusion.

Then sure are an awful lot of devout fundamentalist Baptist atheists out there.

Who knew the Pearls were atheists?