Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Battlefield2142EU]

I was listening to some old Jim vs. Sargon content the other day, and wondering what happened to the Romanian carrier pigeon

Jim still right about Sargon and the skeptic community. I am a little surprised Romanian Igor doesn’t have a his own thread yet.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

Not really. 3D model reference has been a staple in comics at nearly all levels for nearly 20 years. When it's done right nobody even notices. The actual problem is that Isom's art sucks moreso than the specifics on how the sucky art was made.

Just to reinforce this: Sketchup was used by some in the industry as early as 2007? 2005 maybe even?

Shortly after Google bought SU, people were figuring out how to make art more quickly with it. Why SketchUp in particular? Google released it as free download, and there was a decent sized library of components (furniture, vehicles, buildings, even building components like doors, windows). It also had a default visual render style that worked well for roughs, although you could apply textures. It was also generally an efficient program, maybe 50mb back in the mid aughts. I think it was also on Mac, or could run on Macs without too much hassle. (I might be off on that.)

I remember a mid-tier artist showing off his process on blogger (of all things) in the late aughts, and it was amazing. It cut his work time down significantly, and the final product looked better. Proficient artists in the field were using it to make sure their perspective was accurate and consistent certainly by 2010. They were using it for reference, not as a trace (although I am sure some artists did/do that as well).

Ethan crowing about "muh digital" just shows how ignorant he is.

 

[Strix454]

I am sick of hearing people talking like cyberfrog and isom have same quality.

What makes Cyberfrog so much better than Isom? Ethan's problems with anatomy, faces, perspecitive and so on are hardly a secret;. Its right there on page after page. Ethan isn't a great artist. He has his fans. But saying that Cyberfrog is an example of great and superior technical drawing skill or coloring above the ordinary isn't really supported by whats on the page. Its not worse than ISOM, but its difficult to say how its better than ISOM.

Or are you claiming that the writing and story of Cyberfrog is somehow superior to ISOM? Do tell. Explain what about boring, going-nowhere story of Cyberfrog standing around facing the threat of those evil bugs is so much better than the superhero nonsense that is in ISOM.

Cyberfrog and ISOM are two incredibly ORDINARY comic books. There is nothing objectively to say that one is any better than the other.

 

[Fascist Kirk (ShavedAnus)]

Flash could have blocked Ethan all the way back this summer. He didn't. Until after Gary was on & people outside of CG claimed they got nightletter style DMs

 

[GPRIMACADO]

Meanwhile in the land of the orange Koaler. Not even a retard like me believed Liam worked for Indiegogo. it seems IGG may not be happy about his pretending to be their employee. This screen shot was forwarded to me.
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Liam has been busy lately. On some Darkgift stream I didn't watch he claimed to be a moderator at IndieGoGo and that it was he who had been shadowbanning Comicsgate campaigns.

Can confirm he isn't.

 

[Mister Dongs]

I dunno, maybe the CG Kings should grovel to Liam in the off-chance it turns out to be true.

 

[southpawdagon]

What makes Cyberfrog so much better than Isom? Ethan's problems with anatomy, faces, perspecitive and so on are hardly a secret;. Its right there on page after page. Ethan isn't a great artist. He has his fans. But saying that Cyberfrog is an example of great and superior technical drawing skill or coloring above the ordinary isn't really supported by whats on the page. Its not worse than ISOM, but its difficult to say how its better than ISOM.

Or are you claiming that the writing and story of Cyberfrog is somehow superior to ISOM? Do tell. Explain what about boring, going-nowhere story of Cyberfrog standing around facing the threat of those evil bugs is so much better than the superhero nonsense that is in ISOM.

Cyberfrog and ISOM are two incredibly ORDINARY comic books. There is nothing objectively to say that one is any better than the other.

Ethan is not the greatest artist ever, but yes technial drawing skill as you called it or coloring is really above the ordinary. Have you read the book yet?
isom is way inferior product and why are you sugarcoating it?
writing and story of cyberfrog is way better than isom no matter how you look it and paneling is no chainsawman or watchmen paneling but it works, better than most generic possible work of isom.
(Not to mention other things but just superheroes name in general, what kind of name is isom)
just try comparing two books cover by cover, pages by pages ,
what you says " Cyberfrog and ISOM are two incredibly ORDINARY comic books. There is nothing objectively to say that one is any better than the other." is a fallacy.

 

[GPRIMACADO]

I am sick of hearing people talking like cyberfrog and isom have same quality.
evs is usually late and have big ego. But people get their books eventually and usually the art is top notch. There aren't that many comics with this much quality anymore. while isom rely heavily on ready made assets and basically minimal human touch.

Miura from Berserk pumped out pages more than Ethan has in 6 years.

Also crying about assets being used when Marvel do it lmao.

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelcomics/comments/138vw6q/so_my_3d_model_from_2016_was_used_in_a_2022/

Plus if your argument is drawing from your mind vs from tracing. News flash, every artist has to have a point of reference. When you look at Ethan's Bill Clinton, he had to look up 90's Bill Clinton. When he draws the city landscape, pictures of city.

OMG Eric's artist Drew the Truck and House Model! Ethan spent 2 1/2 years filling in a background building with 400+ windows that anyone with 20/20 to 20/15 wouldn't see from that distance in sharpness.

 

[That Other Dude's Persona]

I've mentioned before how EVS's art has a certain ugliness for me (the coloring doesn't help), but I can understand why someone would be into it. I personally find his earlier, more cartoony stuff had a lot more personality.

However, the whole "not a lot of comics have such quality art nowadays, so it's OK to wait 4 years for it" is straight up EVS indoctrination. Not even CG indoctrination, because there are CG artists that produce amazing art every year and deliver it on time.

We don't do a lot of talking about comics in this thread, but if you wander into the verboten lands of Kickstarter (and look past the tiddy books), you'll be amazed at how many small companies and individuals have been consistently putting out beautiful (and politically agnostic) art for years. I bet you that's one of the reasons EVS and Malin don't want people exploring the KS ecosystem.


On the Leem front, has anyone noticed how he has been mimicking EVS's mannerisms? I noticed it in the stream where he talks about shadowbanning CGers, it's so weird.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I 100% don't believe anyone saying they like Cyberfrog's story.

 

[GPRIMACADO]

Ethan is not the greatest artist ever, but yes technial drawing skill as you called it or coloring is really above the ordinary. Have you read the book yet?
isom is way inferior product and why are you sugarcoating it?
writing and story of cyberfrog is way better than isom no matter how you look it and paneling is no chainsawman or watchmen paneling but it works, better than most generic possible work of isom.
(Not to mention other things but just superheroes name in general, what kind of name is isom)
just try comparing two books cover by cover, pages by pages ,
what you says " Cyberfrog and ISOM are two incredibly ORDINARY comic books. There is nothing objectively to say that one is any better than the other." is a fallacy.

Coloring is done by Kyle Ritter who he has known since 2012 (Can confirm via artwork he has on archived twitter)

One I owned Bloodhoney, sold Bloodhoney. Story is nothing but cliffhangers in a world devastated by disaster. Which leaves Cyberfrog after Harris run to be a Superhero with no meaning after the "Invasion" is done. Ethan sold it to me it was in 90's still, not a 20+ year time jump where everything is Walking Dead with a Frog.

Isom from what I can tell writing wise is just generic superhero, but regardless of shit beginning. It has something Ethan doesn't, continuation since Ethan said after 3 he's "Retiring" off his millions. So tell me again in 2026 how Isom is doing when you waiting for #3 from Ethan and Isom is at #15 or so.

What kind of name is southpawdagon? I mean at least he didn't name it HAVARD SAINTS 8 or whatever tongue twister Ryan named it. lmao

Sure hang on let me compare Marvel, DC, Dark Horse, etc page by page. OMG different art styles! WOW

You are, you are literally coming in here saying what is better. lmao

 

[southpawdagon]

Miura from Berserk pumped out pages more than Ethan has in 6 years.

and so did 200,000 other mangakas/comic artists but that is not the point.

Also crying about assets being used when Marvel do it lmao.

the problem is isom use every asset without even changing subtly. there are more than 40 examples out there on internet.

Plus if your argument is drawing from your mind vs from tracing. News flash, every artist has to have a point of reference. When you look at Ethan's Bill Clinton, he had to look up 90's Bill Clinton. When he draws the city landscape, pictures of city.

no shit sherlock. The problem with isom is not even tracing.
That "artist" just drag and drop most generic model ever without even changing anything.
If you dont know anything about 3d assets, you can rotate them, change their way around (for example car wheels).
That "artist" cant even do that (or never care).
Thats why in some panel cars looks unnatural.
in some panel some character just look out of place.
in some panel while isom sleeping on the couch, his feet floating and the sofa/couch underhim look weighless.
in some panel light come from left side but the light and shadow are so unnatural.

1.Coloring is done by Kyle Ritter who he has known since 2012 (Can confirm via artwork he has on archived twitter)

2.Isom from what I can tell writing wise is just generic superhero, but regardless of shit beginning. It has something Ethan doesn't, continuation since Ethan said after 3 he's "Retiring" off his millions. So tell me again in 2026 how Isom is doing when you waiting for #3 from Ethan and Isom is at #15 or so.

3.What kind of name is southpawdagon? I mean at least he didn't name it HAVARD SAINTS 8 or whatever tongue twister Ryan named it. lmao

4.Sure hang on let me compare Marvel, DC, Dark Horse, etc page by page. OMG different art styles! WOW

5.You are, you are literally coming in here saying what is better. lmao

1. cyberfrog coloring is good,i agree.
2.isom story is good, you agree.
isom can churn out product faster, i agree.
3.bro it is just a user name, deal with it. I am not even gonna try to argue you about your username.
4.marvel,dc,darkhorse have nothing to do with comparing cyberfrog and isom, this is so retarded. next thing i know, you can says vertigo,jump,champion have different aet styles too.
5. yes, as you can see now,I am consistently saying cyberfrog is atleast better than isom by miles.
so what is the problem?

 

[That Other Dude's Persona]

Coloring is done by Kyle Ritter who he has known since 2012

I should point out that several pages of Cyberfrog 2 were colored by Kelsey, because Ritter decided to go on a vacation last year. So, the paypigs that are now attacking Kelsey would still be waiting for that shit book if it wasn't for him.

 

[GPRIMACADO]

On the Leem front, has anyone noticed how he has been mimicking EVS's mannerisms? I noticed it in the stream where he talks about shadowbanning CGers, it's so weird.

He's been simping for him for a LONG time. Now that he has Daddy Ethan back, he's high on life again.

I mean he even has a Bell now for maid service.

 

[GPRIMACADO]

and so did 200,000 other mangakas/comic artists but that is not the point.

the problem is isom use every asset without even changing subtly. there are more than 40 examples out there on internet.

no shit sherlock. The problem with isom is not even tracing.
That "artist" just drag and drop most generic model ever without even changing anything.
If you dont know anything about 3d assets, you can rotate them, change their way around (for example car wheels).
That "artist" cant even do that (or never care).
Thats why in some panel cars looks unnatural.
in some panel some character just look out of place.
in some panel while isom sleeping on the couch, his feet floating and the sofa/couch underhim look weighless.
in some panel light come from left side but the light and shadow are so unnatural.

TLDR

Go fight in another channel bud, you'll get no quarter from anyone here to read your word salad.

 

[southpawdagon]

TLDR

Go fight in another channel bud, you'll get no quarter from anyone here to read your word salad.

1. No.
2. dont thirst on bbc too much just sayin.

 

[Strix454]

Ethan is not the greatest artist ever, but yes technial drawing skill as you called it or coloring is really above the ordinary. Have you read the book yet?
isom is way inferior product and why are you sugarcoating it?

Yeah I did. I saw major perspective mistakes. Problems with anatomy, figure drawing and faces, things changing relative size all over the place and all the other things Ethan's art is known for. I saw page after page done in color schemes that looked awful. Too much heavy blue, yellow and green on page after page.

Here is an example of ordinary art. The proportions are wrong. Perspective is off. and you have two front-on human characters that look like they were pasted from clipart in the background. And I'm no expert in inconsistent "light sources" like Nick Rekeita was in his ISOM art analysis, but I do kind of wonder what applying Nick's rules would say about the lighting in this art.

writing and story of cyberfrog is way better than isom no matter how you look it and paneling is no chainsawman or watchmen paneling but it works, better than most generic possible work of isom.

So its a better because you say so. Because "it works".

what you says " Cyberfrog and ISOM are two incredibly ORDINARY comic books. There is nothing objectively to say that one is any better than the other." is a fallacy.

To say that something is objectively better than something else requires applying a common objective standard to each and evaluating them. You liking Cyberfrog isn't an objective standard. You saying "it works" isn't an objective standard. Going page by page through Cyberfrog, there are many pages of sub-optimal and problematical art that can objectively be pointed to. As many pages as can be pointed to in Isom. There isn't an objective standard to point to in terms of the story of one being superior to the other. The flaws of one are the flaws of the other.

Your method is the eternal comic fan way of evaluating comics. What you like is "good" and what (or who) you don't like is "bad". That is an example of an actual fallacy.

 

[chalkyresidue]

and so did 200,000 other mangakas/comic artists but that is not the point.

the problem is isom use every asset without even changing subtly. there are more than 40 examples out there on internet.

no shit sherlock. The problem with isom is not even tracing.
That "artist" just drag and drop most generic model ever without even changing anything.
If you dont know anything about 3d assets, you can rotate them, change their way around (for example car wheels).
That "artist" cant even do that (or never care).
Thats why in some panel cars looks unnatural.
in some panel some character just look out of place.
in some panel while isom sleeping on the couch, his feet floating and the sofa/couch underhim look weighless.
in some panel light come from left side but the light and shadow are so unnatural.

1. cyberfrog coloring is good,i agree.
2.isom story is good, you agree.
isom can churn out product faster, i agree.
3.bro it is just a user name, deal with it. I am not even gonna try to argue you about your username.
4.marvel,dc,darkhorse have nothing to do with comparing cyberfrog and isom, this is so retarded. next thing i know, you can says vertigo,jump,champion have different aet styles too.
5. yes, as you can see now,I am consistently saying cyberfrog is atleast better than isom by miles.
so what is the problem?

Tell me what you consider to be the gold standard of all graphic novels so I can decide you know what you’re talking about

 

[Strix454]

On the Leem front, has anyone noticed how he has been mimicking EVS's mannerisms? I noticed it in the stream where he talks about shadowbanning CGers, it's so weird.

In the stream last night, he appeared to be sitting in the dark for no particular reason. That was unsettling. Its disappointing that his suicide attempt didn't result in him getting any long-term help.

And is it just me, or did he just put up cloth in the background of his old "studio" and pretend like its a secure location hundreds of miles away from Grafton?

 

[southpawdagon]

@Strix454
I agree on too much yellow. but may be it is ethan/colorist art direction. i prefer darker/gloom theme but it is essentailly my own preference.
In picture you post, the major lightsource come from top of the forest and many light emitting thing (leds) reflect on metallic surface.
I dont know why you think the 2 figures look like the clipart. or why propotion is wrong.
at least the forest background looks good, it really bring you the vibe they are fighting in a forest somewhere not like unfinish/empty feel isom make me feel.

for the paneling/storyboarding part, i said it so simply. it is no chainsawmen or watchmen level, but it works. meanit is not groundbreaking but it didnt make you feel like there are meaningless things going on in the panel just to fill pages.

and you are just wrestling with words now.

and i dont just said isom is bad because i feel bad, the book just feel like a rush job or simply basic amateur webtoon type look that didnt feel like a 40$ book.

yes i rather wait 3-5 years for a good book or well prepare book, in meantime i can still read some good manga atleast.

 

[Arkenas Einbrecht]

Liam has been busy lately. On some Darkgift stream I didn't watch he claimed to be a moderator at IndieGoGo and that it was he who had been shadowbanning Comicsgate campaigns. However Liam is not an unmerciful janny; if the people of Comicsgate show deference and gratitude he might be persuaded to lift the shadowbans. Lately he's been calling for Shane Davis to send him streamyard links so the two of them can plot out how Liam will lift the block. This revelation has had mixed reception in the slum community, with most thinking Liam is playing them for retards and others calling for orange blood for these unrepentant crimes against the CG community.

Mike earned Liam's ire for saying that the writing credit for the children's book "Slimed" published by Scholastic was written by another Liam Gray, as well as opining on Liam's pre-marital sex life with the missus as sinful. Smiller/Liam relations have always had a love-hate dynamic but never moreso than now.

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That's just your delusions talking again, stalker. Enjoy prison. Why are all the cows I watch like this.

Now I'm not saying Liam necessarily has fetal alcohol syndrome as there are other reasons he could look the way he does but... hear me out:

Deceit is the air Liam breathes. Deciphering what he is actually saying is a hilarious game of "3 lies". A little known spin on the classic game "2 truths 1 lie".

In his defense he may actually have had to speak with the police. Two people(JDA and a person known by the username AbrownCBR) have been contacted by authorities regarding "credible threats uttered online by Liam Gray". SO uh...he may not be lying here but it may also be a total fabrication. Welcome to Leem! A living representation of the boy who cried wolf.