Are people with a disfigurement included in the list of groups of people this forum hates?

[geppeto's woodclock]

Or are they ok as long as they are cis?

 

[Hooked on phobics]

A forum setup to stalk trans people is offended by a prefix that goes back to jesus' time.

First off, "cis" wasn't used in relation to how its used until VERY recently, and outside that, it was rarely used in more common applications. I imagine most people never even knew the fucking term til around 2014 or whatever where it started popping up more, so saying its old is extremely deceptive if being charitable, really, its more of an outright lie. Before then, a "cis man" or "cis woman" was an unheard of idea, because the mass majority AREN'T trans, its like if you said "full bodied" instead of "not an amputee". its assumed, therefore you don't need the term. and making amputees feel better isn't a good excuse.
More over, its particularly with the combination of demanding pronouns like was stated, thats the annoying part. I'd honestly probably accept it as shitty clique lingo if 1, they didn't insist "no, you are cis" while also saying "no, im a woman despite my hairy balls".

I think this is just going to go in circles though because there's nothing productive here. You are angry at making fun of trans, and nothing is going to change on either side. I doubt you will stop being upset, and certainly the farms isn't going to magically change their views.

 

[Hyperbolic Steroids]

The "stinkditch" is just a place to post gross stuff about gay and trans people? Had a glance and a glance was enough.

I mean they are pretty gross by default but what does that have to do with deformities? I guess technically speaking trans people have a mental deformity that leads them to cause physical ones.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

I don’t know…doesn’t an Idol have to be real?

Well, if v-tubers can create "idols" at this point; i think we reached the point of no return in that matter.

Anyway, nice pfp

Thanks, Ty Lee is my 2nd favorite character before Azula in ATLA.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

Ciswoman makes perfect sense. It means a woman who isn't trans.

Oh, so ciswoman means real woman, not a man who's mutilated himself into the rough approximation of a woman.

Someone disagrees, but the dictionary agrees with me. Cis and trans prefixes are opposites.

Dictionaries are not authoritative. Dictionaries only write down what words are in use.

 

[geppeto's woodclock]

First off, "cis" wasn't used in relation to how its used until VERY recently, and outside that, it was rarely used in more common applications. I imagine most people never even knew the fucking term til around 2014 or whatever where it started popping up more, so saying its old is extremely deceptive if being charitable, really, its more of an outright lie. Before then, a "cis man" or "cis woman" was an unheard of idea, because the mass majority AREN'T trans, its like if you said "full bodied" instead of "not an amputee". its assumed, therefore you don't need the term. and making amputees feel better isn't a good excuse.
More over, its particularly with the combination of demanding pronouns like was stated, thats the annoying part. I'd honestly probably accept it as shitty clique lingo if 1, they didn't insist "no, you are cis" while also saying "no, im a woman despite my hairy balls".

I think this is just going to go in circles though because there's nothing productive here. You are angry at making fun of trans, and nothing is going to change on either side. I doubt you will stop being upset, and certainly the farms isn't going to magically change their views.

I'm not angry, just slightly amused a bunch of hardened anti-LGBT trolls and stalkers would be so upset at an old Latin prefix. I thought you'd be tougher than that.

 

[geppeto's woodclock]

Dictionaries are not authoritative. Dictionaries only write down what words are in use.

We aren't playing at dictionary definitions anymore?

Then take off that t-shirt you all wear that says "adult human female" on it?

 

[Hooked on phobics]

Well at least this thread serves as a good example for when someone is retarded on the kiwi farms..

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

We aren't playing at dictionary definitions anymore?

Then take off that t-shirt you all wear that says "adult human female" on it?

It's decided by use, not dictionary editors. You're asserting your definitions, and we are rejecting them, and asserting our own. If most people reject what you assert, you're a subculture and won't get on well with normals. We'll see who wins, won't we.

 

[Tablet County]

This is such obvious bait that you'd have to be retarded to take it.

 

[Targeted Individual]

I don't think so, have you seen how far apart the eyes of the owner of this site are?

 

[geppeto's woodclock]

It's decided by use, not dictionary editors. You're asserting your definitions, and we are rejecting them, and asserting our own. If most people reject what you assert, you're a subculture and won't get on well with normals. We'll see who wins, won't we.

You're assuming most people are TERFs. They're not.

Look at any group photo of TERF meetup, it's all people way over 50.

In definition by many dictionaries and in actual use by the LGBT community and allies and neutral people who don't take either side, cisgender means someone who isn't trans. It's also not defined as a "slur" by any dictionary either, it's just TERFs who are deciding it's a "slur".

 

[geppeto's woodclock]

Here's a TERF meetup photo helpfully uploaded by our good friend Indy Wind of the Willows on twitter, when she takes a break wondering what size of van TERFs fit inside of.

No comment needed.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

You're assuming most people are TERFs. They're not.

I'm not a TERF.

Look at any group photo of TERF meetup, it's all people way over 50.

You don't have to be a TERF to understand that surgeries and hormones don't change sex.

In definition by many dictionaries

Dictionaries are written by editors. They don't control language. They just control what entries are put in their company's brand of dictionary.

and in actual use by the LGBT community

LGBT is not a community. We don't elect spokesmen. I'm the G, and I want the T gone because it's fundamentally incompatible with LGB.

and allies and neutral people who don't take either side,

People who haven't declared a side have still taken a side.

cisgender means someone who isn't trans.

Cisgender means someone who isn't trans according to transgenderism and its followers. If you don't believe in tranny "science", cis is just a meaningless nonsense word. It's a neologism for members of the trans religion. Normal people don't need it and reject it.

It's also not defined as a "slur" by any dictionary either, it's just TERFs who are deciding it's a "slur".

Dictionaries don't determine what is and isn't a slur. Dictionaries are written by people with opinions and they're as fallible as anything else written by fallible people.

 

[geppeto's woodclock]

I'm not a TERF.

You sound like one.

Dictionaries are written by editors. They don't control language. They just control what entries are put in their company's brand of dictionary.

If we're not doing definitions anymore why do TERFs insist on wearing silly t-shirts that say "adult human female" on them?

LGBT is not a community. We don't elect spokesmen.

Funny, because I thought (cis-het) JK Rowling was the spokesperson for the LGBT community. She seems to think she is at least. White cis-het former funnyman Graham Linehan also thinks he speaks on behalf of gay and trans people.

Dictionaries don't determine what is and isn't a slur

There isn't a single dictionary who will define cis or cisgender as a slur, not one. It's only TERFs who claim it is a slur.

 

[geppeto's woodclock]

Is Linehan what you guys call a "Lolcow"? He should have his own thread here, his Twitter timeline is funny noone other than a few elderly TERFs take him seriously most people just make jokes about his racing car bed.

For those who don't know, former Father Ted writer Graham Linehan gave up his wife, children, career and life to become a full time TERF. His non-TERF wife wanted nothing to do with it and divorced him.

 

[Lake]

noone

You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

 

[Cats]

Real kiwifarms users don't "hate" anyone. In fact we discourage it because hating somebody over the internet is a pathetic way to live your life. You just have to look at the recent DSP board discussions to see how most of our users respond to that kind of behavior. Nobody sane here actually wants to harm anyone or even see anyone harmed, and if that sentiment is ever shared you can bet it won't be met with the kind of response that most of the sickos we have threads on here would want you to believe it would. Just because you enjoy laughing at and mocking a disgusting person does not mean you hate them or want to hurt them.

Forget about the fact that every single lolcow is a fucking terrible person at heart. You will never see anyone here making fun of a legitimately good person. We like people like that. Every cow here is at the very least a poisonously narcissistic idiot and at very worst a literal predator of some type. Any propaganda to the contrary usually comes from the cows themselves trying to keep gross or embarrassing shit from their past hidden.

 

[The Internet Dick]

You should laugh at, ridicule and mock but not hate.

Hatred of itself is neither bad nor good. Its moral value and justification depend on the object of that hatred. It is right and proper, for example, to hate specific groups or individuals such as pedophiles, communists, animal abusers, rapists, and so on. It's also right to hate conceptual abstractions such as greed, ignorance, injustice, and exploitation. God Himself hates sin.

So no, nothing wrong with hate. What one does with that hatred is another topic.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

You're assuming most people are TERFs. They're not.

Most people reject trannies, or at LEAST do not consider a "trans woman" an actual woman, but at best, a mentally ill man. You might think otherwise, but trust me its true, even if not voiced because people want to go about our lives, a mass majority only play along on the same level that an autistic child with an imaginary friend would be "played along" with, because people don't want drama over making an autist burst into tears. Not even from a moral sense, but because its not worth the time telling EVERY SINGLE TRANNY they are full of shit when they never listen anyway. This DOES NOT mean those delusions are valid to others, it just means its tiresome to others.

This doesn't mean TERF btw, I imagine the type of (real) women from lolcow salon in particular do not appreciate the term watered down, and certainly several guys don't appreciate being called a feminist, but its figured a massive tranny faggot like you can't understand how people use words anyway.

If we're not doing definitions anymore why do TERFs insist on wearing silly t-shirts that say "adult human female" on them?

You incorrectly assume that kiwi farms / anyone is "not doing definitions" when its rejecting 1, SINGULAR heavily politicized definition, not definition as a concept. Infact them wearing those shirts SHOWS they value definition but your tranny mind either cannot grasp, or most likely, REFUSES TO ACCEPT this, just as you refuse to accept your birth sex.

Definitions are obviously an accepted concept, but it can be an area of conflict, where community driven definitions are more accepted. In the case of cis, its really only used by trannies/tranny lovers like I said. Cis is rejected outside that, and I generally reject the term gender too since it was made by a child molester who caused 2 boys to kill themselves.

It provides no value, no additional context, no additional information, nothing, all it does is coddle the feelings of trannies. Thats frankly the ONLY use for cis, and I'd dare say even "gender" replacing sex in a lot of shit. And since a people don't value that, yeah, its rejected. Only reason gender is as accepted as it is, is because its basically the same as sex for such a mass majority of people.

And you will see this because even people who use the term gender will call trannies men, and pooners women. And its not because they are mis-gendering, they are PROPERLY categorizing their sex. Which also proves even GENDER as a term is conceptually rejected by a LOT of people.

 

[cybertoaster]

We laugh at retards, narcissists and overall shit people.

Someone who got disfigured in an accident is not necessarily any of those.