AI Art Seething General

[A Watchful Ghost]

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This is fucking hilarious. "Everyone minus incels"? What does that even mean? You are right, his profile is full of shit like this.

I'm not really a huge fan of inevitability as an argument that something is good, but it's a great argument to piss off useless faggots like this to point out they can't do shit about AI, and that they are going to be getting fucked in the ass by a red white and blue Borg whether they like it or not, and they'd best learn to flip burgers.

What annoys me about retards like this is the fact that all of this could've been avoided had they stopped acting like Terminator was becoming a fucking thing, and put a regulatory code on the usage of AI, the limits, and what can be done without phasing out the human part of the job. But no, because corporations were becoming aware of how cost-effective it was becoming, they went into panic mode, and started chimping out by taking the other extreme route, and doing shit like 'AI cannot be copyrighted', and much more, furthering fucking themselves in the ass since god forbid foresight is a skill many lack.


This is not only about Art, it's about the other areas that do use AI, and helps them to make their jobs easier. However, 'Muh asspats' matter more than actually seeing the big picture for these useless cunts.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

What annoys me about retards like this is the fact that all of this could've been avoided had they stopped acting like Terminator was becoming a fucking thing, and put a regulatory code on the usage of AI, the limits, and what can be done without phasing out the human part of the job. But no, because corporations were becoming aware of how cost-effective it was becoming, they went into panic mode, and started chimping out by taking the other extreme route, and doing shit like 'AI cannot be copyrighted', and much more, furthering fucking themselves in the ass since god forbid foresight is a skill many lack.


This is not only about Art, it's about the other areas that do use AI, and helps them to make their jobs easier. However, 'Muh asspats' matter more than actually seeing the big picture for these useless cunts.

No, regulation is never the answer. What the labor force should have done was support companies that don't treat their employees like numbers. Instead, the labor force has aligned themselves with high paying corporations rather than supporting local/small business and are going to be paying that price. I used to work for Starbucks during their "free trade" campaign. Once I learned they were full of shit, I left and instead worked at a mom and pops coffee shop that drew in more customers than SB. Sure, I didn't have medical but I had a life, customers that don't scream at me for forgetting the whipped cream, or blending up 18 different frozen drinks for a drive through order. No respectable human should be put in that sort of situation. Not to mention, if corporations do start going all AI, well, time to bring back the Budlight model of boycotting.

 

[imaginary friend]

They best learn to be the best and only burger flipper to serve as the foundation point to train autonomous, deep learning controlled robots. The trick to combatting AI and not placing your personal job at risk is to specialize in something niche but important.

I'm just imagining AI that works at McDonalds and how much it would piss off the customers. They get no satisfaction from yelling at it, if it malfunctions they have to complain about it like another ice cream machine, and if it's coded to respond and is smart enough to explain things to the customers, they'll have no choice but to accept that a literal higher intelligence has corrected them (although they're used to the customer being always right). How do you talk back to a nearly infallible machine without the capability to be malicious or disrespectful? It's not really something you can defend your pride against.

People would absolutely boycott AI customer service for these things alone.

But no, because corporations were becoming aware of how cost-effective it was becoming, they went into panic mode, and started chimping out by taking the other extreme route, and doing shit like 'AI cannot be copyrighted', and much more, furthering fucking themselves in the ass since god forbid foresight is a skill many lack.

That is one thing I hope comes out of this. Copyright when it comes to art is a mistake. The rights of a creator should be: 1. being credited, 2. being able to sell or sell the rights to sell the original work, and that is all. None of this 100 year expiration date crap. Humanity has been refining and building upon already-created art and stories for centuries, and these people have literally banned it, so now everything is uninspired. You should be able to use parts of any already created work to make your own under fair use and make money off of it, full stop. It hurts no one, it's a plus for humanity, it's natural. I don't like to sperg about capitalism, but the way corporations messed up art and other creative projects is pretty infuriating.

If AI art is incorporated into creative projects, and AI cannot be copyrighted, that means creative projects are less copyrightable, which is a plus in my eyes. The system has already been horribly broken by Disney, so it can only get better from here. However, that's being too optimistic. They'll probably definitely find some way of skirting around it, while everyone else gets screwed over. Still, if AI messes up the copyright system, good. Maybe something will change.

 

[AnOminous]

People would absolutely boycott AI customer service for these things alone.

I wouldn't. I'd just be glad it got my order right, didn't spit in it, and wasn't rude and on crack.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I'm just imagining AI that works at McDonalds and how much it would piss off the customers. They get no satisfaction from yelling at it, if it malfunctions they have to complain about it like another ice cream machine, and if it's coded to respond and is smart enough to explain things to the customers, they'll have no choice but to accept that a literal higher intelligence has corrected them (although they're used to the customer being always right). How do you talk back to a nearly infallible machine without the capability to be malicious or disrespectful? It's not really something you can defend your pride against.

People would absolutely boycott AI customer service for these things alone.

What's more likely is that every store would have a human manager because people need a human face to ask questions to. Plus someone has to be there to make sure the AI doesn't fuck up or call the cops when there's a chimpout.

I would not want to be that manager.

That is one thing I hope comes out of this. Copyright when it comes to art is a mistake. The rights of a creator should be: 1. being credited, 2. being able to sell or sell the rights to sell the original work, and that is all. None of this 100 year expiration date crap. Humanity has been refining and building upon already-created art and stories for centuries, and these people have literally banned it, so now everything is uninspired. You should be able to use parts of any already created work to make your own under fair use and make money off of it, full stop. It hurts no one, it's a plus for humanity, it's natural. I don't like to sperg about capitalism, but the way corporations messed up art and other creative projects is pretty infuriating.

People have a right to make a living off their own work. The fact Disney abused the principle of copyright law doesn't mean the core idea isn't good. It obviously hurts someone if they take money that otherwise would have gone to you because they made a ripoff of your product and happened to have a better marketing budget (like, say, Disney stealing someone's idea and making a fortune off it because they're a megacorp and you aren't--I'm pretty Disney actually did that to someone, and I don't mean the Lion King = Kimba thing either). That itself is a disincentive on creativity, since why should I create my own works when I can just sell a blatant ripoff of someone else's work? Copyright also helps protects the public from shitty knockoffs, as well as the reputation of the work itself.

A sane solution is like the 1909 Copyright Act that Teddy Roosevelt pushed for, which had the copyright terms be 28 years, with the option to pay a fee for one renewal period of 28 years. That's more than enough for a writer and their immediate heirs, but also still has an incentive for them to produce more works. This was overwritten by Hollywood degenerates many decades later.

 

[Colon capital V]

People have a right to make a living off their own work. The fact Disney abused the principle of copyright law doesn't mean the core idea isn't good. It obviously hurts someone if they take money that otherwise would have gone to you because they made a ripoff of your product and happened to have a better marketing budget (like, say, Disney stealing someone's idea and making a fortune off it because they're a megacorp and you aren't--I'm pretty Disney actually did that to someone, and I don't mean the Lion King = Kimba thing either). That itself is a disincentive on creativity, since why should I create my own works when I can just sell a blatant ripoff of someone else's work? Copyright also helps protects the public from shitty knockoffs, as well as the reputation of the work itself.

A sane solution is like the 1909 Copyright Act that Teddy Roosevelt pushed for, which had the copyright terms be 28 years, with the option to pay a fee for one renewal period of 28 years. That's more than enough for a writer and their immediate heirs, but also still has an incentive for them to produce more works. This was overwritten by Hollywood degenerates many decades later.

Then steal back from them and sell it as your own, if everyone steals and sells from each other then no one will be pennyless.
Also isn't that what Trademarking is for to differentiate shitty knockoffs from the real thing?

 

[AnOminous]

Then steal back from them and sell it as your own, if everyone steals and sells from each other then no one will be pennyless.

Good luck if you don't have law firms that take up entire floors of skyscrapers.

 

[Bloudwulf]

"Soul" and "Soulless" is just a spiritual rephrasing of the labor theory of value.

 

[ShooterOfCum]

That's more than enough for a writer and their immediate heirs

28 years is way more than enough. No need for 56 years. I think people forget that just because copyright on something expires does not mean you suddenly stop making money from it. If someone made a Disney-tier successful work, had copyright on it for 28 years, the merchandising companies (if the copyright holder owns them) will not just evaporate into thin air the moment the copyright expires. People don't forget who the original author is even if he/she might not have the copyright anymore. The clout is still there to help the author with further success, and so on. Artists were patronised just fine during the Renaissance without centuries-long copyright and copyright loopholes.

Copyright also helps protects the public from shitty knockoffs

You're talking about trademarks. Trademarks protect the consumer, copyright protects the author. For example, the visualisation and concept of a Space Marine is the copyright of Games Workshop. Calling the Space Marine a "Space Marine" or "Adeptus Astartes" is a protected trademark, so that the consumers know that they are not getting a shitty knockoff story about space marines, but the actual Space Marines™ from Games Workshop.

 

[Ukraine is Big Gay]

Dipping in to also mention an angle that online artists shot their own foot with, especially since the super majority of twitter artists are just vanity project architects, and or making goonerbait on commission. They really failed wholeheartedly to absorb wisdom from the wisest blob of adipose on earth, Gabe Newell.

A service issue will always fuck you harder than anything else in a market, period. And that service issue is layered internally and externally with them. They make it incredibly hard and awkward to "hire" them and even if you do it's still a moronic obstuse process, It's professional setting kryptonite too.

They have a lot of GALLERY websites that they use including ham-fistedly trying to use the most inefficient shit like twitter to show their bodies of work, and they regularly bitch about payment processors and patreon style rule shifts as they flit from megacorpo processor to donation site etc etc...
...But not a single one of them or a group of em has effectively "Self unionized" in a sense and made a commission worker friendly website that's more professional and sensible and has all the relevant regional tax stuff ready to go, or a more official hub for that sort of thing.

So the customer and potential consumer side of things is one of the most obtuse idiotic song and dances.

So hypothetically, you want a picture of a hummingbird across some sort of logo in a certain style of vibe for your product or nerd project? Well- You have to either use a specific set of websites that are just unsorted shit piles with no enforced and mandatory/accurate tagging wrestling with the most backwater web design and spackled with fetish imagery no matter what you toggle settings with. Or you have to somehow word of mouth/psychic fucking void echo stumble upon their twitter handle, then when you do find one to start the transactions you are having to back and forth correspond in PMs like the 90s. Because none of these people use meeting software or the phone.

And when you're finally ready you have to use another- entirely different website or service you have to sign up for just to shoot this goober your money for the fucking simple solitary thing you want, and it has it's own separate rule sets and delays and issues.

Oh right did I mention also you have to interact with this person and add them on some sort of other social media account or messenger to REALLY be certain that your project is being worked on? And there's no actual veneer of professionalism to be found, and if you're too private an entity they will get 'noided because they can't hand wring and politically vet you and the process starts all over again? Because a lot of them are also political rabble rousers of whatever flavor first and an artist second?

TL;DR end summary:
Yeah, no fucking shit it looks way more enticing, easy and streamlined as any corporate entity trying to just get shit done to want to get in on the tech that lets you pull aside a random office lackey and have him type "Hummingbird carrying a piece of cloth, with [font] [logo] written across it." Til you can cherry pick a good one the boss likes and have it cleaned up for pennies on the dollar by some schrodinger's sweatshop korean art firm.

Asspull citation: I've worked for/with dipshit companies that were way too cheap to just have a dedicated asset guy or team. Nobody listens and half the time they just bitch and get some guy internally in the company to do the same thing after middle manning around or finding out they're having to basically fight tooth and nail and pull aside people who are paid too much just to make a glorified e-busker take their money.

 

[Whatevermancer]

If AI art is incorporated into creative projects, and AI cannot be copyrighted, that means creative projects are less copyrightable

You'd have to prove that the work was AI-generated first, and it's already getting hard to tell between man-made and AI-generated art, so I assume in 5 years it will become completely indistinguishable.

A service issue will always fuck you harder than anything else in a market, period.

It doesn't matter how well you provide your services, cause AI beats you in performance.
You can type a prompt, wait a couple of minutes for the artwork to generate and make corrections, unlike with a real artist, where it'll take him hours or days to draw something.

 

[SwanSwanson]

Every day and every night I SEETHE about what AI did to art. AI art is literally worse than trannies because being an artist actually takes skill and being a woman is the easiest thing ever. WHY!?!?!? WHYYYY!!!!!!

 

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28 years is way more than enough. No need for 56 years. I think people forget that just because copyright on something expires does not mean you suddenly stop making money from it. If someone made a Disney-tier successful work, had copyright on it for 28 years, the merchandising companies (if the copyright holder owns them) will not just evaporate into thin air the moment the copyright expires. People don't forget who the original author is even if he/she might not have the copyright anymore. The clout is still there to help the author with further success, and so on. Artists were patronised just fine during the Renaissance without centuries-long copyright and copyright loopholes.

Sure it does. If the copyright is expired, I can distribute it all I want and make money on it. If I'm a megacorp and you aren't, then tough shit. People should be allowed to make money off their work, and at varying times it was very hard for that thanks to copyright loopholes. Like IIRC 120 years ago, songwriters would regularly get screwed over because people would play their music everywhere and make bank, but they'd never get a penny. Then copyright law updated to include that scenario. I'm not defending the copyright trolling that goes regarding "public performance" nowadays, but the basic idea is sound.

And looking it up, only 7% of copyrights in that era were renewed for another 28 years, so the market seemed to have self-corrected.

You're talking about trademarks. Trademarks protect the consumer, copyright protects the author. For example, the visualisation and concept of a Space Marine is the copyright of Games Workshop. Calling the Space Marine a "Space Marine" or "Adeptus Astartes" is a protected trademark, so that the consumers know that they are not getting a shitty knockoff story about space marines, but the actual Space Marines™ from Games WoWorkshop.

Not entirely, because copyright lets rights holders deal with the problem of derivative works. Think of fanfiction. Some corporation could print ream after ream of garbage fanfiction and drag down the reputation of the work it's based on. Maybe they turn children's works into erotica, appeal to furries, etc. Trademark only covers certain situations.

 

[linchan]

 

[Mr.Miyagi]

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I keep looking for the Subscribe button on my Stable Diffusion installation and just can't find it.

 

[i440BX]

I think authentic art made by people will still have its place.
Looking at AI generated images I can see a lot of times that there are artifacts, body imperfections, lack of sharpness in more detailed images.

I can see AI as a win for artists also. Like smart color/texture/adaptive bucket tool. If I have made an 4:3 wallpaper and want to extend to 16:9, then I could do some magic.

 

[888Flux]

Shitter users realized that the Mr. Chedda meme was AI generated, so they made a cleaner "ethically correct" version instead. Also, the person who generated the image is pissed off because people have been selling Mr. Chedda merch this whole time, and he hasn't earned a cent. Shitter users, like the hypocrites they are, are against copyright for this situation specifically.

Good fucking god, do I wish I had the time in my day to care about absolutely retarded shit like this. People are so beyond neurotic over every slightest thing because they have nothing else to do.

I think authentic art made by people will still have its place.
Looking at AI generated images I can see a lot of times that there are artifacts, body imperfections, lack of sharpness in more detailed images.

I can see AI as a win for artists also. Like smart color/texture/adaptive bucket tool. If I have made an 4:3 wallpaper and want to extend to 16:9, then I could do some magic.

these people will never understand that

 

[Sulla]

I keep looking for the Subscribe button on my Stable Diffusion installation and just can't find it.

These people don't know about anything other than the shitty corporate ai's.
If they ever learned about the cutting edge opensource models and controlnet they would 100% chimp out and start an actual butlerian jihad.

 

[linchan]

These people don't know about anything other than the shitty corporate ai's.
If they ever learned about the cutting edge opensource models and controlnet they would 100% chimp out and start an actual butlerian jihad.

mfer's are netflix brained

 

[linchan]

Now that Nightshade is released, time will tell it's impact on image generators. What do you guys think will happen?