Naruto/Boruto Griefing Thread

[Would]

I've seen lots of retarded fandoms before, but never ones that have outright LIED and just made up things that never happened to defend the series.

May I introduce you to Death Note fans?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

If anything, Black Clover actually has the main character work his ass off. I would wager that Jujutsu Kaisen is also a pretty good contender for what Naruto as a story was "supposed" to do. Not the bullshit it later turned out to be.

It's even worse. The protagonist is better than people who spent their entire life training to combat Curses by eating demon fingers and watching DVDs. Including some bullshit 0.01 second reaction super technique he learns in a day.

Demon Slayer is better because the protagonist takes like 3 years to be passable and between every arc he spends months in a hospital recuperating and training.

 

[Gorillion others]

It's even worse. The protagonist is better than people who spent their entire life training to combat Curses by eating demon fingers and watching DVDs. Including some bullshit 0.01 second reaction super technique he learns in a day.

Demon Slayer is better because the protagonist takes like 3 years to be passable and between every arc he spends months in a hospital recuperating and training.

Here's what Jujutsu Kaisen has above Naruto.

THE MAIN CHARACTER DOESN'T PREACH ABOUT HARD WORK BEATING TALENT.

The series also makes a point to show that the talented and naturally gifted flourish, which the main character is from the start, and which other characters acknowledge.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Here's what Jujutsu Kaisen has above Naruto.

THE MAIN CHARACTER DOESN'T PREACH ABOUT HARD WORK BEATING TALENT.

The series also makes a point to show that the talented and naturally gifted flourish, which the main character is from the start, and which other characters acknowledge.

Counterpoint: I actually remember Naruto's name, personality and interaction with other characters. Also: Jujutsu's "lol just have good genetics" is the other end of the scale where hard work is meaningless and people just get random power ups for plot reasons.

 

[Gorillion others]

Also: Jujutsu's "lol just have good genetics" is the other end of the scale where hard work is meaningless and people just get random power ups for plot reasons.

The Uchiha in a nutshell.

Oh, and you're still a Narut***

Why? Because in Jujutsu, the "random power ups out of nowhere" isn't as obscene, and they actually make sense given the nature of the power system and relevance to the plot.

In Naruto, you get "OP Genjutsu that traps OP jobber in a loop". Or a continue.

 

[God of Nothing]

You caught me in a lucid moment and I remember it's Nobara, but I won't deny I wasn't forced to check it more than once...

haha

Jujutsu Kaisen is also a pretty good contender for what Naruto as a story was "supposed" to do

not even jjk knows what the fuck it's supposed to be

 

[ShitLurker]

I wouldn't go that far. I read that retarded 10 chapter Scarlet spring shit. The fact we had that stupid "who is the mother?" shit says volumes.

Holy shit! I completely forgot there was a whole arc of "is Sakura a cuck?". What SHIT tier of parenting did you have to recieve from your useless mother to be convinced you aren't even her daughter.

That Sakura lusts for the Uchiha nigger cock while dad is never home using work as an excuse didn't help her be seen has anything other than sloppy seconds...

Also, what happened to the deranged glasses girl? It just sounded like she was dead and there was a picture because "reasons".

Demon Slayer is better because the protagonist takes like 3 years to be passable and between every arc he spends months in a hospital recuperating and training.

It's one of the things I liked the most from Demom Slayer. Training was properly explained (to a degree) and there were palpable consequences to combat. The multiple arcs of just healing and how some of the hot shots had to outright do early retirement from the grave wounds they took made it feel more grounded.

not even jjk knows what the fuck it's supposed to be

Before JJK turned to shit I just treated it as a more competent Bleach as in the plot made little sense, the powers made even less sense and it was just an excuse to do cool shit. Then it crawled up it's own ass and started going into HxH autistic levels of explaining the shit that was never intended to make much sense.

Also, it clearly got bored with half the cast and now it's in one of the most abrupt talespins I've seen for a manga.

 

[God of Nothing]

Before JJK turned to shit I just treated it as a more competent Bleach as in the plot made little sense, the powers made even less sense and it was just an excuse to do cool shit. Then it crawled up it's own ass and started going into HxH autistic levels of explaining the shit that was never intended to make much sense.

Also, it clearly got bored with half the cast and now it's in one of the most abrupt talespins I've seen for a manga.

It's about the same as early Bleach, really. I think Bleach had a better tone though. Granted, it's just as retarded. Explaining moves during a fight is retarded in general, but I never felt it more goddamn annoying than in Sukuna Vs Gojo. We already knew all the mechanics save the domain expansion nonsense for fuck's sake. A punch from mr infinite hurts? You don't fucking say?

Are you telling me you don't love arcs that introduce a hundred new characters you can't remember the names of?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

It's one of the things I liked the most from Demom Slayer. Training was properly explained (to a degree) and there were palpable consequences to combat. The multiple arcs of just healing and how some of the hot shots had to outright do early retirement from the grave wounds they took made it feel more grounded.

Demon slayer really needed like 50 episodes of filler to build the world. Have the hero and his buddies partner with different Hashira to build them before the big arcs.

Also related, just watched the 100th Gintama episode where they talk on making protagonists recognisable from a silhouette

I doubt this will work for any JJK character.

 

[God of Nothing]

50 episodes of filler

People associating setup with filler has got to be one of modern anime/manga's greatest problems. Never any breathing room or time to develop anything outside of action. Granted, old series also had this problem just less so. Pacing is a vital part of a narrative's structure. You can feel the sharp shift in Demon Slayer, and it is not pleasant in the least. Same with JJK. Part 1 of Naruto had this with something immediately popping off after the end of an arc. Part 2 weirdly did that well but suffered with a lack of payoff in the early arcs themselves.

 

[ShitLurker]

Demon slayer really needed like 50 episodes of filler to build the world. Have the hero and his buddies partner with different Hashira to build them before the big arcs.

Agreed, but we at least got good arcs with the bug Hashira and the Sound Hashira and I'm ok with not fleshing everyone out. Specially with how Zenitsu's arc basically got fast tracked. It's clear the mangaka wanted to end it sooner than later and she managed to solve it pretty well all things considered. But yeah, the anime could get away with having more wind down arcs with some feedback from the mangaka. And filling out the rushed parts.

Also related, just watched the 100th Gintama episode where they talk on making protagonists recognisable from a silhouette
Direct link: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tMU92BIG9cU I doubt this will work for any JJK character.

LOL. Is Gintama worth reading/watching? I tried a few episodes but the comedy wasn't really landing for me. I can probably go through a manga much better, but being an older series the translation might be ass (trying to read Samurai Deeper Kyo and between just being tepid and the shoddy translation it's a hard read).

People associating setup with filler has got to be one of modern anime/manga's greatest problems. Never any breathing room or time to develop anything outside of action. Granted, old series also had this problem just less so. Pacing is a vital part of a narrative's structure. You can feel the sharp shift in Demon Slayer, and it is not pleasant in the least. Same with JJK. Part 1 of Naruto had this with something immediately popping off after the end of an arc. Part 2 weirdly did that well but suffered with a lack of payoff in the early arcs themselves.

Agreed. Constant tesnsion and cliffhangers eventually get old. It also reaches the point where you are told characters are friendly with each other because the plot demands it, not because it makes sense.

It's about the same as early Bleach, really. I think Bleach had a better tone though. Granted, it's just as retarded. Explaining moves during a fight is retarded in general, but I never felt it more goddamn annoying than in Sukuna Vs Gojo. We already knew all the mechanics save the domain expansion nonsense for fuck's sake. A punch from mr infinite hurts? You don't fucking say?

Peak Bleach was better than peak JJK now that it shit the bed, it just wasn't a very long peak. Best moment in JJK for me was the Yuji and Todo team up and anything involving Nanami and one just got removed from the plot and the other died in a pretty savage context. Bleach had everything till the end of save Rukia (and a bit of the setup for the hueco mundo arc was cool, Ikkaku bankai was peak).

Ichigo wad boring, but is miles better than Yuji that is just "there". Feels like the mangaka forgets he exists half the time, the gloomy katana guy would have been a better main character since the whole gimmick of the main character is the main antagonist did not have that much of a payoff.

And Kubo had a good system going. The shikai and bankai system was so open he could do whatever the hell he wanted without explaining shit (same perk as Stands im JoJo). Same deal with the hollows, though with the fullbring and specially the quincy he shit the bed.

Cursed enetgy on the other hand is a mess, why does Nobara use voodoo dolls, why does Nanami do critical hits? Why does Todo do swaps? The cursed voice kid and the gloomy kid with the katana make sense since they truly are cursed, but the rest?

Dandadan has a similar power concept where people get cursed by spirits and can tap into them but it's carried out miles better and you see where the cursed entity comes from and how it ended bound to the character.

Are you telling me you don't love arcs that introduce a hundred new characters you can't remember the names of?

Yeah, love that shit, extra funny when a random comedian that is incredibly out of place gets a huge amount of focus (even funnier that those chapters were legitemately entertaining from how out of the field they came) when more established characters are no shows for ages. I hoped the JJK mangaka learned from Kubo's fuckups but outside of getting bored quicker, seems to fall ino the same pitfalls.

 

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LOL. Is Gintama worth reading/watching? I tried a few episodes but the comedy wasn't really landing for me. I can probably go through a manga much better, but being an older series the translation might be ass (trying to read Samurai Deeper Kyo and between just being tepid and the shoddy translation it's a hard read).

My recommendation is 1-2 episodes a day. It get better but the comedy takes a while before the humor and characters are set up correctly, but when it gets good it gets really good and the laid back setting means it never gets entangled in power levels or plot arcs. Even the cast is small though sometimes characters from 50 episodes ago pop back.

Speaking of modern shonen, I guess Mashle counts but it's kinda underwhelming. It's not bad, but suffers from being really bland overall.

 

[God of Nothing]

Agreed. Constant tesnsion and cliffhangers eventually get old. It also reaches the point where you are told characters are friendly with each other because the plot demands it, not because it makes sense.

What is Itadori and Megumi's relationship again? For real. I don't get why people pretend like that was a big thing.

Ikkaku bankai was peak

I agree. More side-characters people write off as useless should be given those scenes where they show off. That was more hype than Ichigo's bankai for me, which might be a sign of other problems in Bleach. Someone else was finally competent, even if it was against another jobber.

Cursed enetgy on the other hand is a mess, why does Nobara use voodoo dolls, why does Nanami do critical hits? Why does Todo do swaps? The cursed voice kid and the gloomy kid with the katana make sense since they truly are cursed, but the rest?

It can't decide between stand abilities or ki, yeah. Doesn't help how flip-floppy it is on what is superior too. When you can just outpunch most things, there's just no point. It's like Gege wanted a traditional battle shounen while playing with Jojo. It's a fucking mess, and it's blatantly apparent the author decides on who wins. Kenjaku getting offed by a joke character after tanking a black hole was the most ridiculous shit.

 

[ShitLurker]

Speaking of modern shonen, I guess Mashle counts but it's kinda underwhelming. It's not bad, but suffers from being really bland overall.

Read Mashle already. Was mid at best. When it focused on being funny it was entertaining enough but any semblance of seriousness was horrible. Witch Watch which is from the same guy as Sket Dance (was also one of the helpers on Gintama) can be pretty wordy at times but it's fun enough for the most part and the serious moments are well enough even if rare and I imagine is closer in spirit to Gintama.

What is Itadori and Megumi's relationship again? For real. I don't get why people pretend like that was a big thing.

People projecting Naruto and Sasuke into them because there is nothing. I do remember this hillarious bit

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kvHFdk7xYwM&pp=ygUbSXRhZG9yaSBtZWd1bWkgbm9iYXJhIGZ1bm55

They needed a lot more of those for me to believe they were buttbuddies. Itadori seemed a lot closer to Todo who doesn't even deserve a "he retired" line and Nobara who got shit and whose death was squandered happening just after Nanami and with everyone thinking she wouldn't really be dead anyway (that take aged great!).

I agree. More side-characters people write off as useless should be given those scenes where they show off. That was more hype than Ichigo's bankai for me, which might be a sign of other problems in Bleach. Someone else was finally competent, even if it was against another jobber.

Yes, but only if they are allowed to be relevant after that or are firmly removed once they have their crowning moment. Full Metal Alchemist was great with that, when fucking lion guy who seemed to just be a random jobber is one of the key factors in taking down a hemonculos, you know characters were added with a lot of care.

Kenjaku getting offed by a joke character after tanking a black hole was the most ridiculous shit.

He's trolling everybody at this point. He's sick of his series and he already got "successful anime adaptation" status.

 

[God of Nothing]

Read Mashle already. Was mid at best. When it focused on being funny it was entertaining enough but any semblance of seriousness was horrible.

the dude flexes to match magic, why go for a serious tone at all, smh

. Itadori seemed a lot closer to Todo who doesn't even deserve a "he retired" line and Nobara who got shit and whose death was squandered happening just after Nanami and with everyone thinking she wouldn't really be dead anyway (that take aged great!).

Yeah. Jesus Christ was Shibuya shit but nooooo. Muh spectacle and happenings with no weight.

He's trolling everybody at this point. He's sick of his series and he already got "successful anime adaptation" status.

Either that or is one of those new-age subversion-loving writers who have no substance.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

I remember better Hinata's last stand against Pain than any Sakura moment outside of her cutting her fucking hair and her being used as a puppet. Also, Hinata was never billed as one of the 3 main characters.

I never liked her last stand against Pain for two reasons. The first is the anime drags it out SOOOOO long that after awhile it starts to become funny watching Pain toss her around like a rag doll. The second is that after this huge confession we knew was brewing for some time....Nothing came of it. Not even a conversation. We don't even get an acknowledgement of it. So the moment where Sakura screams out for Naruto when he returns, set piece or not, is more memorable to me.

Which is extra sad seeing how absolutely fucked up he was after the save Sasuke arc ended and Chouji and Neji were almost dead (hot take, both should have died).

I agree but now we're talking about a completely different story. I mean they certainly sell those death scenes pretty hard.

 

[ShitLurker]

I never liked her last stand against Pain for two reasons. The first is the anime drags it out SOOOOO long that after awhile it starts to become funny watching Pain toss her around like a rag doll. The second is that after this huge confession we knew was brewing for some time....Nothing came of it. Not even a conversation. We don't even get an acknowledgement of it. So the moment where Sakura screams out for Naruto when he returns, set piece or not, is more memorable to me.

I went full manga master race, so saved myself from the misery of stretching a 10 minute scene into 20. I do agree that yes, Naruto basically fucking ghosting her was SAVAGE and another clear example of how much of a retard Kishimoto is. As for the Sakura scream... drawing a blank, though I insist, most of Shipuuden was a blur to me even though I was reading weekly. Best late game Sakura moment I can remember is how she was posing with Naruto and Sasuke and she was for reals going to do something and I think it was another let down, but at that point, Sakura being a let down was a given.

I agree but now we're talking about a completely different story. I mean they certainly sell those death scenes pretty hard.

Definitely, one could argue Chouji got some use in the rest of the story, but Neji could have died that day and would have at least left an impact instead of the gigantic wet fart that it ended up being. Though all of the Byakugan users got fucking robbed anyway, most super specialist lazy eye my ass, it ended up being the shittiest eye bloodline in the series.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

meanwhile IRL

my spudphone isn't doing this justice, the rims have the sharingan in the middle

 

[Spud]

Naruto and Sasuke as bickering friends/ rivals

Sasuke is a boring character all throughout and the rivalry should have been between Naruto and Rock Lee. Sasuke's leaving the village should have ended with Naruto plunging a kunai into his chest as the climax to their fight and him turning his back on Sasuke as he sank into the water. You could even have Sasuke reflect on it, he reaches out to Naruto to apolgise for what he did but all he sees is Naruto with his back turned and walking away from him, Naruto with tears in his eyes for dramatic effect. You can then have him monologue about how he sacrificed his village and friends for this new power and he couldn't even beat Naruto with it whilst he sinks into his watery grave. Then make something up about Orochi watching him and Naruto fighting to see Sasuke's new power in action and how he pulled him out the water to save him so he can be in shippuden.

Total Uchiha Death

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

I wouldn't go that far. I read that retarded 10 chapter Scarlet spring shit. The fact we had that stupid "who is the mother?" shit says volumes.

Wasn't that more due to Sasuke being an awful dad? I read that and always found it hilarious that Karin just gave her those glasses, yet the idea Sarada just needing that exact prescription only leads credence to the idea Karin is her mother. Which is a pretty dumb plot hole. Also Sarada must be practically fucking blind for adult glasses to work on a child.

Peak Bleach was better than peak JJK now that it shit the bed, it just wasn't a very long peak. Best moment in JJK for me was the Yuji and Todo team up and anything involving Nanami and one just got removed from the plot and the other died in a pretty savage context. Bleach had everything till the end of save Rukia (and a bit of the setup for the hueco mundo arc was cool, Ikkaku bankai was peak).

Bleach got better after Aizen in my opinion. The Fullbringers themselves may not be interesting and may suck, but the story on paper is pretty good. No Soul Reapers, just Ichigo trying to desperately get his powers back because he's kind of a depressed mess without them. He's beaten, broken down, and eventually gets rewarded for all of his efforts. It's not like Kubo didn't execute it well either. Tsukishima is a terrifying villain and is executed pretty well. Even though Ginjo being a villain isn't a good twist and everyone expected it, watching him get everything deserves was at least satisfying.

I agree. More side-characters people write off as useless should be given those scenes where they show off. That was more hype than Ichigo's bankai for me, which might be a sign of other problems in Bleach. Someone else was finally competent, even if it was against another jobber.

The light novel CFYOW was pretty good and Hisagi is the main character. I don't like the retconning of his shikai, but his bankai is pretty neat. I know people say it's non-canon, but the TYBW benefits SIGNIFICANTLY from CFYOW and a lot of plot holes and context are filled there and actually made better. I'd even argue it is canon, since a lot of plot threads have now been directly put into the anime. On a side note, fuck Ichibei.

I do agree that yes, Naruto basically fucking ghosting her was SAVAGE and another clear example of how much of a retard Kishimoto is.

Naruto ghosting her is unironically hilarious. Especially since the Five Kage Summit and Sakura's stupid confession happens right afterwards. Hinata and Naruto barely share any time together until The Last. And even then she's kidnapped for half the movie. I swear to God Kishimoto has to be autistic or on the spectrum because it seems like he genuinely can't write romance at all. Even Kubo wrote Goodbye Halcyon Days for Orihime. That was at least SOMETHING.

Definitely, one could argue Chouji got some use in the rest of the story, but Neji could have died that day and would have at least left an impact instead of the gigantic wet fart that it ended up being. Though all of the Byakugan users got fucking robbed anyway, most super specialist lazy eye my ass, it ended up being the shittiest eye bloodline in the series.

Neji dying was such a cluster fucked out of nowhere moment. But I think what was even stranger was when the army was leaping to attack the 10 tails and formed the shape of a bird. I get symbolism but man that was cringe...They even did it one of the endings/openings which was even weirder.

my spudphone isn't doing this justice, the rims have the sharingan in the middle

While I was out in town this weekend I saw a guy with a big puffy Akatsuki winter coat. I couldn't help but stare. Naruto being as old as it is means most of the really obsessed merch outside of figures and t shirts is largely owned by boomers in or approaching their 30s which is pretty cringe.

Sasuke's leaving the village should have ended with Naruto plunging a kunai into his chest as the climax to their fight and him turning his back on Sasuke as he sank into the water.

That would make all of those "I couldn't save Sasuke" scenes hilarious. And boy would Sakura be mad....