Houthi Movement & Yemen Conflict

[Feline Supremacist]

Are you sure you're not some flavor of liberal? I'm getting all the right vibes for one, shame and self loathing sure but the way you talk about your fellow countrymen like you're better than them gives me the impression of a Lindsey Ellis type who finally left podunk nowhere and went to college. Maybe horseshoe theory is real after all.

It's just sclubs like you online, irl never had this problem; you're describing yourself. The middle class everywhere is usually the most vocal and retarded, since they are desperately pretending they were never lower class, and are trying to make everyone believe they are upper class, and always were, failing miserably. This allows them to be used by those really running this nation.

Using labels, like "liberal, right wing, conservative" is what plebes do, and have done since antiquity. Too bad your American public school education has failed you. Oh well.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Yemen is the easy bet sure but everyone also realizes that it wont really accomplish anything.

It will also involve significant US losses. In an election year. With no clear path to "victory" (whatever that means since nobody knows).

EDIT: Oh yeah, the President is a potato who isn't in charge of anything and nobody even knows where the Secretary of Defense is or his condition.

 

[The best and greatest]

Invading Yemen won't resolve this issue because it will just result in Iran training new jihadis as fast as the US/UK blows them up. Saudis been trying to do that since 2015. No shortage of a recruiting pool in those parts. Got to go after their support network. Supply routes, smugglers, etc.

Bombing Iran outright (or through a proxy if still trying to pretend to be civilized) may also send the right message, not like they responded the last few times Israel did that.

Iran's internal political situation seems rather fragile right now. Attacks on Iran will force the ayatollah regime to respond in some way as to not seem weak to their local population, dragging them into a possible escalation they cannot survive. Few more escalations and it will be 1979 all over again, but in reverse.

This won't happen but another thing you could do is sponsor a proper invasion/annexation of Yemen by the Sauds sort of like how the French did with the Normans. Pretty shitty thing to do but it'd probably prove more cost-effective than US-lead intervention.

It's just sclubs like you online, irl never had this problem; you're describing yourself. The middle class everywhere is usually the most vocal and retarded, since they are desperately pretending they were never lower class, and are trying to make everyone believe they are upper class, and always were, failing miserably. This allows them to be used by those really running this nation.

Using labels, like "liberal, right wing, conservative" is what plebes do, and have done since antiquity. Too bad your American public school education has failed you. Oh well.

Nah brah that shit you were talking a few posts up was personal as hell don't lie.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

This won't happen but another thing you could do is sponsor a proper invasion/annexation of Yemen by the Sauds sort of like how the French did with the Normans. Pretty shitty thing to do but it'd probably prove more cost-effective than US-lead intervention.

Wow. I guess you didn't know that that's exactly what the Saudi's tried and failed to do for the past decade - with US weapons.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

It will also involve significant US losses. In an election year. With no clear path to "victory" (whatever that means since nobody can say).

The DNC desperately needs a win this election season. Usually they bully some country south of the border but since most of Mexico, Central and South America (along with Africans, Haitians and other undesirables) are pouring through the southern border Yemen it is.

another thing you could do is sponsor a proper invasion/annexation of Yemen by the Sauds

This was been tried for several years and failed miserably. Just like the public school education you got. Maybe you should try going to a community college to fill in the gaps.

Nah brah that shit you were talking a few posts up was personal as hell don't lie.

lol see above.

 

[The best and greatest]

Wow. I guess you didn't know that that's exactly what the Saudi's tried and failed to do for the past decade - with US weapons.

Oh def which is why you'd need some level of direct US involvement but you'd have to balance aid with visibility to keep things kosher on the global stage.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

The DNC desperately needs a win this election season. Usually they bully some country south of the border but since most of Mexico, Central and South America (along with Africans, Haitians and other undesirables) are pouring through the southern border Yemen it is.

This was been tried for several years and failed miserably. Just like the public school education you got. Maybe you should try going to a community college to fill in the gaps.

lol see above.

I don't think anyone believes the Houthis can ultimately defeat the US but they can make it hurt.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Oh def which is why you'd need some level of direct US involvement but you'd have to balance aid with visibility to keep things kosher on the global stage.

It will be difficult to sell an direct invasion of Yemen to the US public. Everyone is very casualty averse, especially now.

Would be easier for the west to keep up the pressure on Iran using various proxies, constantly forcing Iranians to react to more escalations, upsetting the local status quo, getting the population riled up, supporting various separatist groups.

Same technique they tried on Russia, except it may actually work on Iran because, well, it's Iran.

Without support from Iran or anyone else, the Houthis will fizzle out.

 

[The best and greatest]

This was been tried for several years and failed miserably. Just like the public school education you got. Maybe you should try going to a community college to fill in the gaps.

Would still be worth it to give Houthis something to chew on instead of international shipping. Better their troops than ours anyway.

It will be difficult to sell an direct invasion of Yemen to the US public. Everyone is very casualty averse, especially now.

While true this is the same administration that was already considering a direct engagement with the Houthis. If I had to pick i'd rather the Sauds mercenaries did the fighting and dying.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Oh def which is why you'd need some level of direct US involvement but you'd have to balance aid with visibility to keep things kosher on the global stage.

This is the typical burger muttmerican mindset: "we can fix it by throwing some money at it!", displaying a lack of understanding of other nations, and Arabs in particular, but absolutely showing they know nothing about Yemen, its history or its people (and this is what the clowns in out government think).

I'm not going to go over it here but the Houthis have thrown Saudi money back in their faces, and insult them all the time for bowing to America and Israel. Money is something that doesn't work with Yemenis, and Houthis in particular. They want a confrontation with the US government and its military. If you think Iraq was a clusterfuck, Yemen would be that times 100, and draw in other Arabs nations, and possibly Iran.

Ask any GWOT infantry veteran about it, and they will tell you the same thing but of course no one cares what they think.

Would still be worth it to give Houthis something to chew on instead of international shipping. Better their troops than ours anyway.

They prefer qat.

See what I mean about being ignorant about the world at large? It is our undoing.

 

[The best and greatest]

This is the typical burger muttmerican mindset: "we can fix it by throwing some money at it!", displaying a lack of understanding of other nations, and Arabs in particular, but absolutely showing they know nothing about Yemen, its history or its people (and this is what the clowns in out government think).

I'm not going to go over it here but the Houthis have thrown Saudi money back in their faces, and insult them all the time for bowing to America and Israel. Money is something that doesn't work with Yemenis, and Houthis in particular. They want a confrontation with the US government and its military. If you think Iraq was a clusterfuck, Yemen would be that times 100, and draw in other Arabs nations, and possibly Iran.

Ask any GWOT infantry veteran about it, and they will tell you the same thing but of course no one cares what they think.


They prefer qat.

See what I mean about being ignorant about the world at large? It is our undoing.

It doesn't matter what they prefer if they're actively being invaded. You have finite weapons at your disposal, you can shoot at tanks invading your home or you can shoot at oil tankers and see most of your missiles intercepted anyway. Tanks are more readily replaced than an expedient passage through the Suez.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

upsetting the local status quo, getting the population riled up, supporting various separatist groups.

Same technique they tried on Russia, except it may actually work on Iran because, well, it's Iran.

That might've worked 20 years ago before Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and Ukraine. Did I forget any? Nobody there wants our "help" now, they can see what that means and where it leads.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

It doesn't matter what they prefer if they're actively being invaded.

lol as if the US military invading Yemen is on the table. Our leaders are venal, not mentally retarded (except for Biden and neocons).

You have finite weapons at your disposal, you can shoot at tanks invading your home or you can shoot at oil tankers and see most of your missiles intercepted anyway. Tanks are more readily replaced than an expedient passage through the Suez.

I see you are pretending cheap Geran drones do not exist. Remind me who mass produces them? (Iran)

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

That might've worked 20 years ago before Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and Ukraine. Did I forget any? Nobody there wants our "help" now, they can see what that means.

It would have to be done discreetly, because the moment anyone gets a whiff of western influence they'll shut the whole thing down. Easiest option is to covertly support a different flavor of jihadis, think ISIS. Or find some small population with grievances, like Zoroastrians or something.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

It would have to be done discreetly, because the moment anyone gets a whiff of western influence they'll shut the whole thing down. Easiest option is to covertly support a different flavor of jihadis, think ISIS. Or find some small population with grievances, like Zoroastrians or something.

Discreetly? WTF? Who the fuck do you think would be fooled exactly? Unbelievable. Is the plan to blow up Yemen and then say "Wasn't us! Must've been those other guys!"

 

[mindlessobserver]

I fail to see what any of the past two pages of sperging has to do with Yemen.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I don't think anyone believes the Houthis can ultimately defeat the US but they can make it hurt.

Well, I think the definition of victory has been twisted into a mere photo op and relentless media promotion as a result of GWOT. We lost in Afghanistan and Iraqis are attacking out outposts there and in Syria. An incursion into Yemen runs a real risk of drawing in other countries and taking away support Israel needs. So while the prudent thing to do is insist on a ceasefire in Israel to defuse the situation that won't happen so geriatric neocons will fall back on their favorite solution: invade an Arab country.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Discreetly? WTF? Who the fuck do you think would be fooled exactly? Unbelievable. Is the plan to blow up Yemen and then say "Wasn't us! Must've been those other guys!"

Don't have to fool everyone, just to have enough plausible deniability to avoid creating a casus belli. Just like how officially there are no NATO troops in Ukraine, even though everyone knows there are.

It's not even about blowing up Yemen. It's about ensuring supplies don't get to Yemen from Iran and about making it increasingly costly for Iran to prop up their proxies in Yemen. Without Iranian support and direction, the Yemeni will go back to bickering amongst themselves over the usual shit arabs traditionally bicker over.

 

[The best and greatest]

That might've worked 20 years ago before Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and Ukraine. Did I forget any? Nobody there wants our "help" now, they can see what that means.

It may not be a matter of 'wanting' our help. Those protests from the previous year were a pretty big deal. Their society isn't collapsing or anything but the tinder is present. I've also heard tell that the Iranians have some serious environmental issues going on and that water is becoming harder to find there.

lol as if the US military invading Yemen is on the table. Our leaders are venal, not mentally retarded (except for Biden and neocons).

I see you are pretending cheap Geran drones do not exist. Remind me who mass produces them? (Iran)

Who's in power again?
Cheap doesn't mean 'infinite' silly girl. Ukraine has drones but you don't see them just flinging them at every single target of opportunity inside Russia, because most of them are being used on the fight in Ukraine.

Anyway the best path forward for the US I still say would be to cut losses and transfer to an east-to-west arctic trade-route. If oil still needs to go through the Suez it can be protected more practically and cost-effectively without a heavy US presence in the red sea. Perhaps you could turn Djibouti into a major oil port that pipes oil to Egypt to minimize risk.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Don't have to fool everyone, just to have enough plausible deniability to avoid creating a casus belli. Just like how officially there are no NATO troops in Ukraine, even though everyone knows there are.

It's not even about blowing up Yemen. It's about ensuring supplies don't get to Yemen from Iran and about making it increasingly costly for Iran to prop up their proxies in Yemen. Without Iranian support and direction, the Yemeni will go back to bickering amongst themselves over the usual shit arabs traditionally bicker over.

And then Tom Cruise will jump his motorcycle off the skyscraper right before it blows up! Everyone clapped!!!