Houthi Movement & Yemen Conflict

Badungus Kabungus said:
it's about other nations having a guarantee of security from Russia or China
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It's baffling to me that you think Russia or China would step up to bail out the West. Not to be too insulting but have you been locked in a cave for the past few years? Do you have any idea what we've been doing against them recently?
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
It's baffling to me that you think Russia or China would step up to bail out the West. Not to be too insulting but have you been locked in a cave for the past few years? Do you have any idea what we've been doing against them recently?
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It's not about bailing out the west. It's about taking over an influential position that was formerly dominated by America, embarrassing the west in the process.

For example, previously India (as a relatively neutral country) has enjoyed certain western-backed safety guarantees in relation to maritime trade. Now that the west can no longer provide those guarantees, will India stop all maritime trade or find a new partner who can provide those guarantees?
 
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Badungus Kabungus said:
forcing the world to rely on other players such as Russia or China to keep shipping lanes safe?
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That's a rich idea, assuming Russia is remotely capable of patrolling the shipping lanes for extended periods of time, let alone handling an insurgent non-state actor on shore. As for China, they have indicated no desire to do anything. Their little flotilla in Djibouti hasn't reacted at all.
 
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Badungus Kabungus said:
It's not about bailing out the west. It's about taking over an influential position that was formerly dominated by America, embarrassing the west in the process.

For example, previously India (as a relatively neutral country) has enjoyed certain western-backed safety guarantees in relation to maritime trade. Now that the west can no longer provide those guarantees, will India stop all maritime trade or find a new partner who can provide those guarantees?
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Seems more likely India would take this as an opportunity to flex its muscles and for the politicians inside India to push for further military buildup and modernization.
 
mindlessobserver said:
That's a rich idea, assuming Russia is remotely capable of patrolling the shipping lanes for extended periods of time, let alone handling an insurgent non-state actor on shore. As for China, they have indicated no desire to do anything. Their little flotilla in Djibouti hasn't reacted at all.
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If the west proves itself incapable of doing anything about the Houthi problem and assuming there's a good enough incentive for Russia, there's nothing stopping Putin from using soft power to pressure Iran to get the Houthis to stop acting like niggers, all without firing a single shot.

Why bother chasing goat herders across the desert when you can simply negotiate with their owners? Again, assuming there's a good enough incentive to do so. As of now there's zero incentive. But once the US vacates their seat and pirates start ruling the seas again, expect a lot more calls to the Kremlin saying "Vova, we need help."

The best and greatest said:
Seems more likely India would take this as an opportunity to flex its muscles and for the politicians inside India to push for further military buildup and modernization.
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I doubt it, a massive buildup like that would require a degree of coordination and competence that is unheard of by Indian government standards. They'd be better off making security deals with other nations.

"Modernization" is a dirty word for the Indian military. Just like "standardization" and "indoor plumbing." Look up their military procurement process for a good laugh, they still can't decide if they're using NATO or commie gear.

India's actual contribution to maritime shipping is a lot more, uh, humble.
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Badungus Kabungus said:
If the west proves itself incapable of doing anything about the Houthi problem and assuming there's a good enough incentive for Russia, there's nothing stopping Putin from using soft power to pressure Iran to get the Houthis to stop acting like niggers, all without firing a single shot.

Why bother chasing goat herders across the desert when you can simply negotiate with their owners? Again, assuming there's a good enough incentive to do so. As of now there's zero incentive. But once the US vacates their seat and pirates start ruling the seas again, expect a lot more calls to the Kremlin saying "Vova, we need help."


I doubt it, a massive buildup like that would require a degree of coordination and competence that is unheard of by Indian government standards. They'd be better off making security deals with other nations.

India's actual contribution to maritime shipping is a lot more, uh, humble.
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The only ships Yemen is blocking are Israeli owned, on their way to/from Israel and now US-linked shipping. If anything Russia will cheer them on and shrug. FAFO (but in Russian).
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
The only ships Yemen is blocking are Israeli owned, on their way to/from Israel and now US-linked shipping. If anything Russia will cheer them on and shrug. FAFO (but in Russian).
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There has been an attack on a Russian ship too recently. Houthis don't always have the best intel.

It's just bad for business for everyone in the long run. If the US steps down from that position, someone else will step up, simply because of how influential and profitable that role is.
 
Guys, guys, Eastern Europe clearly belongs to Hungary and the Reich. Also why would Russia work with the US, a hostile power that clearly wishes it no good?

Its like working along with Tyrone when he wants to shank you and take your three fiddy.
 
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Badungus Kabungus said:
There has been an attack on a Russian ship too recently.
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This one?


It wasn't a Russian ship, it was just purportedly carrying Russian oil. They say it's Panamanian-flagged but curiously don't mention exactly who does own it.

It is worth noting that all these ships are flagged in weird countries so the owners can avoid being taxed to pay for their defense.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
This one?


It wasn't a Russian ship, it was just purportedly carrying Russian oil. They say it's Panamanian-flagged but curiously don't mention exactly who does own it.

It is worth noting that all these ships are flagged in weird countries so the owners can avoid being taxed to pay for their defense.
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Whether it's doing business for Russia or is owned by Russia, those details are murky, yes. Just like they're murky to the Houthis who often can't tell what's owned by whom and just go full retard. Again, bad for business.

Short term it makes the west look like dicks and is just an annoyance at worst to Russia, yes, but long term it will start becoming more of a problem.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
The only ships Yemen is blocking are Israeli owned, on their way to/from Israel and now US-linked shipping. If anything Russia will cheer them on and shrug. FAFO (but in Russian).
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You've already been wrong about this multiple times. Why keep adding to the score?

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Ships attacked by the houthi in 2023 that weren't connected to Israel:

19/11/23 Galaxy Leader, hijacked en route to India from Turkey.
11/12/23 Strinda, attacked en route to Italy
13/12/23 Ardmore Encounter, attacked en route to Suez from India.
14/12/23 Maersk Gibraltar, Hong Kong flagged; sailing from Oman to Saudi Arabia.
15/12/23 Palatium III, en route to Saudi Arabia from Kenya.
15/12/23 Al Jasrah, sailing from Greece to Singapore
18/12/23 Swan Atlantic, carrying diesel from saudi arabia to Réunion
23/12/23 Blaamanen; Norwegian flagged, en route from Romania to India.

There are more that I can't verify, but it should put the lie to your claims. The Houthi are illiterates who, just like you, think that everything sailing in the Red Sea must be going to Israel.
 
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Badungus Kabungus said:
If the west proves itself incapable of doing anything about the Houthi problem and assuming there's a good enough incentive for Russia, there's nothing stopping Putin from using soft power to pressure Iran to get the Houthis to stop acting like niggers, all without firing a single shot.

Why bother chasing goat herders across the desert when you can simply negotiate with their owners? Again, assuming there's a good enough incentive to do so. As of now there's zero incentive. But once the US vacates their seat and pirates start ruling the seas again, expect a lot more calls to the Kremlin saying "Vova, we need help."


I doubt it, a massive buildup like that would require a degree of coordination and competence that is unheard of by Indian government standards. They'd be better off making security deals with other nations.

"Modernization" is a dirty word for the Indian military. Just like "standardization" and "indoor plumbing." Look up their military procurement process for a good laugh, they still can't decide if they're using NATO or commie gear.

India's actual contribution to maritime shipping is a lot more, uh, humble.
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Be careful buddy, people used to talk the same way about China.

As I understand their procurement of western/eastblock technology is more political than anything, reflecting their playing off of powers moreso than a lack of focus.
Historically India's navy has been old selloffs but more recently there's been a push for manufacturing more and more of their own native equipment, combining features from both old soviet and western examples.
Just last year I think they launched a new aircraft carrier that they made mostly themselves. It has a ramp yeah but its still a noteworthy milestone given how many nations globally actually build and operate aircraft carriers. Not even current-day Russia seems to have this level of industrial capability.
 
teriyakiburns said:
You've already been wrong about this multiple times. Why keep adding to the score?

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Ships attacked by the houthi in 2023 that weren't connected to Israel:

19/11/23 Galaxy Leader, hijacked en route to India from Turkey.
11/12/23 Strinda, attacked en route to Italy
13/12/23 Ardmore Encounter, attacked en route to Suez from India.
14/12/23 Maersk Gibraltar, Hong Kong flagged; sailing from Oman to Saudi Arabia.
15/12/23 Palatium III, en route to Saudi Arabia from Kenya.
15/12/23 Al Jasrah, sailing from Greece to Singapore
18/12/23 Swan Atlantic, carrying diesel from saudi arabia to Réunion
23/12/23 Blaamanen; Norwegian flagged, en route from Romania to India.

There are more that I can't verify, but it should put the lie to your claims. The Houthi are illiterates who, just like you, think that everything sailing in the Red Sea must be going to Israel.
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Galaxy Leader
"partly owned by Israeli businessman Rami Ungar"

Strinda
"On Tuesday, Houthi military spokesperson Yahya Saree said the group targeted the ship because it was “loaded with oil” bound for Israel.

Ardmore Encounter
"The Houthis’ reported attack on the Ardmore Encounter would be their sixth assault on vessels in the region amid the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas, as they say they will target any vessel travelling to or from Israel."
"The Ardmore Encounter reported no damage or injuries and continued on its way." [they were likely wrong about this one]

Maersk Gibraltar
"Danish shipping company Maersk on Friday denied a claim by Yemen's Iran-aligned Houthi movement that the militia carried out a drone strike on a Maersk vessel sailing towards Israel." "The vessel was not hit"

Palatium III & Al Jasrah
"The Houthis said both vessels had been heading to Israel. The group has said it wants to support Palestinians as Israeli forces wage war against Iran-aligned Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip."
""We assure all ships heading to all ports of the world apart from Israeli ports that they will suffer no harm and they must keep their identification device on," it said."

Swan Atlantic
"A misidentification over the Swan Atlantic’s management probably led to it being targeted by Houthi rebels, the ship’s owner has claimed."

Blaamanen
"While the US blamed the Iran-backed Houthi rebels for the attack, the rebels claimed it was a US misssile that hit the oil tanker."


Any more you'd like me to look up for the good people?
 
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teriyakiburns said:
One part-owner, a couple of "they weren't damaged so it's ok", and a bunch of "Houthis said I'm right so I'm right". You are literally retarded.
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And a bunch that likely had their transponders obfuscated or turned off altogether under US Navy direction. The point is the Houthis aren't deliberately targeting vessels that they don't believe are linked with Israel or the US.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
The point is the Houthis aren't deliberately targeting vessels that they don't believe are linked with Israel or the US.
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Yes, they are. They're shooting at ships because they're drugged up, nigger-stupid, illiterate tribesmen, who think they're hot shit because they got some Iranian rockets. The fact that you fall for their low-iq propaganda just confirms your own retardation, which was already demonstrated in this thread, when you didn't understand the connection between red sea shipping and the Suez canal, or when you kept insisting that the strait is only used by Arabs and Israel

None of those ships was transporting goods to Israel. Several of them were sailing south, or were not even sailing to the north of the red sea. The only link between Israel and any of those vessels is that one is owned by a British company, whose parent company is owned by an Israeli.
 
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