What is the appeal of DSP?

Thank you all for your replies, keep them coming.

For those this deep in the thread I have a follow up question.

Is Phil actually retarded?
He has a room temperature (degrees Fahrenheit) IQ, that's room temp without a HVAC system being used on it.
he clearly has undiagnosed autism, but instead of being obsessed with trains or whatever his special thing was "being a youtuber" for the 3-4 years he was actually successful at it (when there was no competition)

and that's funnier than you might think it is.
His obsession was with being a "pro vidya game player" and yes, it confirmed his autism. Youtube was just the distribution facilitator of that lifestyle cope he overdosed on, like the foil a crack addict smokes drugs from when down real bad.

Thread seems like a designated whiner (not descriptive of OP's attitude, just the thread's title) shitting street three page run? The lolcowiki used to answer just these questions fantastically, rest in power, taken down useful resource.
 
Thank you all for your replies, keep them coming.

For those this deep in the thread I have a follow up question.

Is Phil actually retarded?
Yeah but he’s just “high functioning” enough to keep his bs going until the wheels fall off his financially unstable train.

I believe he’s smart enough to know what he’s doing (why else would he continue to lie and rewrite history) but he’s retarded enough to not have any concept of the long term consequences of his actions.
 
Thank you all for your replies, keep them coming.

For those this deep in the thread I have a follow up question.

Is Phil actually retarded?

No, he's just stupid. He's stupid and since he lives in his house essentially alone with zero human interaction outside his chat (I'm not convinced him and Kat speak regularly).

You can see how its degraded Phil over the years, but he isn't retarded, he's just stupid as fuck. All of Phil's oddest behaviors are because he's a low IQ individual who doesn't get any social interaction.

That's a huge part of the appeal. He isn't a drug addict like Bossman or a stroked out glutton like Jack Scalfani. Who btw are my two recommended Not Dave cows, but very similar in appeal.
 
Just inertia at this point. I followed DSP since his early days off and on. Every year he's become less interesting (with a couple of exceptions) and at this point I've been aware of DSP long enough, I feel like I must know how it ends.
 
People keep saying Phil blew a lot of opportunities. Can someone name some of these opportunities? Are they like sponsorship deals or something?
In no particular order:

- Early youtube success, Phil was raking in incredible amounts of money on YouTube early in his career. He refused to change from short spammed videos after YouTube changed to 'engagement' instead of views and spent years not updating his capture equipment while insisting pointing a camera at his TV was 'authentic'.

-Refused to do 'extra' work for Machinima when they tried to push him as an e-celeb. Burned down that agreement by being a whiny bitch about shit and demanding they either instantly fix his issues or drop him.

-Went underwater on his first mortgage, refused to fix his finances, left it to crumble as he moved near Seattle. The original condo got repossessed because it was in such bad shape he couldn't sell it. He refused to deal with a company offering to property manage it as a rental because they didn't email him properly.

-Bought a new house near Seattle, which he has visited maybe twice, instead of living like a king in a flyover state.

-found a way to kite 13 credit cards until bankruptcy, when he could have paid them off and was making enough money to balance his finances.

-the BMW saga.

-It took him years and years and years to update his streaming room into something even passably presentable despite his fans telling him it was a bad look and wasn't helping him get eyes on.

-Wasted some actual organic growth (the vest streak) and managed to get the boot from Twitch the same way he got the boot from Machinima.

-Had multiple sponsorship opportunities that he's wasted or burned over the years. Gamer boxes, dandruff shampoo, twitch bounties, gamer chairs. Hell, iirc he had MULTIPLE gamer chair offers and picked the one everyone pointed out was the most blatant scam.


He's incredible at shooting himself in the foot.
 
To add to the Machinima story: Machinima offered Phil a partnership before the shortlived Blip.tv saga. He signed a contract (probably without reading it) and then canceled it because Machinima had the audacity to ask Phil to add the MAchinima logo in front of his videos and they asked he uses a specific file format. That was in his handcam days mind you. After everything else failed hew came crawling back to Machinima and asked for a job which he basically got

Then we have his "cooking show": while it was really horrible it could have become something especially as his fanbase actually WANTED to see Phil cook poorly. You know how he responded? "I don't know many recipes and I don'T want to be a phoney to look new recipes up" Seriously. Heck he could have even involved John and Howard into it making a new series called "DSP and friends cook poorly"

Or his DSP tries it. Maybe try to evolve into testing real food from restaurants (no fast food doesn't count) and maybe even take kitchen tours

Phil lacks imagination for a Youtuber career. Heck do you know how many gaming Youtubers are out there? Millions. Phil is just lucky he can live of the remnants of his short lived fame
 
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I'll say the appeal to Phil has shifted over the years a fair bit. At the start, Phil was kind of a generic dudebro. Phil's not entirely off mark saying he was the "Joe Average" gamer, because really, he wasn't that uncommon for 2008. Maybe a little bit older than what you'd see on PS3/XBOX Call of Duty lobbies, and definitely a little too bad for his age, but back then, there wasn't really any notion on how old is too old to play Videogames. Back in the 90's, if you were 30 and still fucking with a gameboy, sure. Nowadays, games are more like a sport you can play pretty much forever. It turned out to be a lifestyle thing.

Anyway, good to post something again, I'm in and out of the vortex nowadays, this very lightly touches on the recent autistic thunderdome we had in our lovely board but I'm not bringing that debate back, and I'm gonna cover the appeal of Phil over his several phases. Since it's a thread aimed at new posters, I guess this can serve as a decent enough catch up to the community's status for those who are interested. It's hella long so of course, feel free to skip, and it's spoilered so it doesn't take up all of your screen's real estate.

So at the start, most Phil fans were probably just the lower common denominator of the youtube audience. Teens and tween gamers. Some of his current retained audience (Derich) used to watch him when they were younger. At first Phil was pretty much run of the mill. Politically incorrect, hard drinking, hard partying dudebro who liked videogames even though he realistically wasn't very good at them. People used to think he was playing it up. Not a much different audience than what's still there, because nobody but teens, tweens, and some easier college degree guys really have the time to consume streams. Specially Phil's overly long, bloated streams, but we'll get to that.

All in all, yes, people did start to hate Phil for being a whiny bitch here and there. But the thing, even though it wasn't obvious to him yet, was that people watched him to laugh at him. If he was in on the joke or not didn't matter to the audience. Here's the thing though: Phil was CONVINCED he was "White haht pahpular, one of the OGs, the inventor of the term let's play" and all that other good shit because even if it wasn't immediately obvious by then, he WAS already a narc. If you know narcs, you can be laughing in their face, giving them a proper dressing down with faint praise and they'll take it COMPLETELY at face value. They can't even comprehend how you could have a poor opinion of them, they're so GREAT. Still works on him to this day, you can tell him that he's so great at Street Fighter 6 and those dang dastardly Cannon brothers fucked everything up and if it wasn't for them he'd be schooling Tokido with one hand and Daigo with the other, simultaneously, and the guy will get all smug and proud without even considering you maybe are just fucking with him.

So this whole rewriting history that Phil was a widely beloved, popular, well respected guy UNTIL that damn EvilAJ came and destroyed everything with his nuke-style TIHYDP movement that birthed the Scourge of God that were the Sons of Kojima is entirely Phil's fabrication. People liked to laugh at Phil and started taking issue with his attitude when he got pissy and uppity at them. That was that. This forced Phil into his first reinvention, as narcs often do, when one day they just start putting on a different act and claim they're a wholly different person even though the changes are mostly superficial, if even there at all: The Youtube Superstar Phil arc.
After that shock, and inspired by his love of wrestling and Hollywood Hogan in particular, Phil set about crafting a new persona. This Phil started acting like a wrestling heel, trying to intentionally piss people off, talk mad shit, and promptly fold whenever pushed because the real Phil was still a milquetoast coward. By now, I'd say the appeal shifted a bit to both how much of an irredeemable piece of shit he actually was (Project 7, general treatment of PandaLee, the sinking realization that he wasn't just a nigger-yelling dickhead on PS3 lobbies for fun/shock value but actually, really like that) and his unbridled autism. But undeniably, Phil's narcissism and general cluelessness led him to believe he was a star, and he could pull off really ambitious projects and become world famous. It's in this timeframe when he inspired Pewdiepie and started getting on most people's radars as the worst gamer on Earth. His propensity for getting narc wounded didn't help matters much, and people started picking up more hate for him because not only did he start to beg, but he relentlessly shat on everything he played when anyone with half a brain could tell that he was the problem. He still had an angle to get over, in terms he would understand, and struck gold with his homefront review, but he couldn't make anything out of his true, proper shot at stardom.

The swaying, the eating cup noodles with a spoon, the wolverine toy story time, the autistic drunk cooking vids, getting himself an 18 year old nympho intending to turn her into a maid, basically ensuring he was repeatedly Tyrone'd behind his back, becoming a fast food gourmand trying to barge in on Guy Fieri's niche, him being handed every possible opportunity and squandering every last one. Specially when compared to other OG FGC figures who went through much the same arc. Aris was toxic and ragefilled as fuck on stream, got cancelled for thirsting on some chick, got "reformed" and is mostly doing the same stuff nowadays, but everyone seems to like or at least respect him, he's still saying "creepy" stuff to videogame booba owners, "Checking for ceiling traps" and other stuff that isn't even entirely PC, but has always been entertaining.

Regardless, I'd say post helikhapter jahb loss and into 2017 was the golden age of Phil. After that, we got a phase, let's call it "Mystery Scammer Lolcow" where the main appeal was deducing where the money was going. Fuck, I used to think that he'd be building a nest egg, because business was good and it was impossible that this dude was somehow blowing it all. People were theorizing that he had a coke habit, was into gambling, had to pay Panda hush money. That was the fun in that time period. It's why, in theory, the escort thing checked out so well until it didn't. And even then it turned out that Kiwi wasn't even wrong, just slightly off. There WAS a sugarbaby arrangement with a certain potato-loving, at the time skinny anime lady from Michigan. That phase was kinda brief, lasted until his whaled gacha account was found. Regardless, through most of this, Phil still sucked at games generously. After the swimming suit model with an eating disorder moved in though, Phil crafted his best yet, never before seen persona: Boomer Catdad Phil. A nice guy, a good guy who has overcome the failures of his past, fessed up to his mistakes and apologized for them, and is now just pledging his trade, free of charge, for all who want to see, but he does need your help and support, and how could you let such a good guy down, eh?

Nowadays though, I'm not gonna say Phil's a dry cow, he's still a really weird human, but this phase we're in, the Bitter Lolcow phase where Phil adamantly defends that he's not a lolcow because he's a really pretty princess in his button up boomer shirts and Zelda jammies, and he's not THAT fat, and he puts out meaningful, kyoo-rahted style kahntent for a kyoo-rahted style fanbase (Read: Only literal dents can put up with his shit any more) has mostly stripped away any common appeal he used to have, to a point where most people who bother following him hate his guts and want him to love himself now.

Most of the personality he puts on now, like most narcs tend to do, is what he perceives to be kosher in today's market. A hardworking social media figure with a small but tight-knit community who bends over backwards to put out the content that YOU wanna see. It's transparently fake to anyone in the know, sure, but the main problem is that it shows effort on Phil's side. Effort to scam more effectively. No one would have a problem with him trying to be less of a piece of shit, he's just fade into obscurity. The problem is that he's trying to have Max Dood's street cred while being one of the more comedic Disney villains personality wise. He's still smug, self-assured for nothing, in love with himself, toxic, condescending, rude, obnoxious, and if those hoove chews show anything, still very much a racist, if that even matters.

As his Street Fighter 6 tirades show, Phil's unable to even conceal his inner pigroach, even for short periods of time, as he'll tear into people over the slightest shit. Again, pretty much a narc thing. It's easy to empathize with someone who's mad over a videogame loss, and frustration is a normal thing to feel. I've seen many I HATE YOU BITCH GGS over the last few years and I just think as a whole the FGC, specially when online and therefore subject to the whims of just getting matched with someone cross continent and having a horrible game, is getting significantly more chill. Getting salty IS natural. You just don't have to be a dick about it. And most people won't bother rubbing in a win, specially a suspect one, when you're already frustrated. In this sense, Phil's a fucking unbelievable manchild. A bitch in victory and an asshole in defeat. When getting to 10-1 a dude in a game nowadays would say more about the game's balancing than about either of you as players, if you're on the same skill level. Only narcs feel a need to always and forever win or they'll feel slighted by the game, the weather and whatever. Well, narcs and obsessive perfectionists, but the latter will just turn that frustration inwards, have a breakdown, and come back later with more one frame links, perfect combos and the like. Narcs just expect to be handed their wins, on account of them being so great, y'know, like Phil, who has mastered the ancient arts of Random EX DP, Jab N' Grab and C.Short C.Short Command Grab.

But NYChrisG kicks his ass and it's all oh good match sir great strike sir how do you do sir you are most excellent at Street Fighter sir. People, in general, take issue with fakeness, and Phil's as fake as it fucking gets.

It's said a lot that Phil's the poster child for Dunning Kruger's and well, he is. I think his narc mentality also melds into it and blurs the line. Or makes it worse. Narcs tend to think they are absolute masters of their craft, like Phil once said he's mastered the art of mush-mouthedly spilling verbose bullshit into a microphone for two hours every day.

I get that it's against forum rules, but god damn if I can't empathize with Piece of Peace's burning hatred for the pigroach. I don't hate him that much, but what Phil is most known for to new detractors is just being a piece of shit scammer who pigheadedly refuses to play anything entertaining. The guy has started quitting to dashboard before a game kills him, for fuck's sakes. As of the Re0 ragequit, I'd say his appeal and renown for being entertainingly bad at videogames is all but gone. On top of that, to "curate" his fanbase and content, he makes it unwatchable on purpose:

He bloviates for two hours every day. He didn't use to do this and Surly Muppet called it "Prestream Creep". He was playing games poorly in a more or less timely manner, he didn't stretch out every game over the course of several months to make it impossible to clip/TIHYDP him without sifting through literal hours and hours of nontent, and still, he's just as fucking bad at games as he ever was. Even with chat. Even with guides. He hides the FatKat from the community and refuses to do co-op with her. No viewer lobbies. Online multiplayer kept to a minimum. 41 years old gamer with a 15 year professional career, mostly appealing for his babyrage, still playing everything on Normal. Noped the fuck out of a 50 thousand dollar easy peasy podcast with Keemstar. Noped the fuck out of a documentary with Mike Clum. Straight up ragequits games and runs to walksims when the challenge ramps up the slightest bit ever since Yakuza:LAD.
Nowadays I'd say there's three main appeals:

- Watching Phil STILL be bad at videogames when he has been actively gaming for most of his life. This is the more casual appeal and most people rely on clippers for it.

- Watching Phil peddle his bullshit 419 scam at literal retards and pulling apart his lies. Post bank leaks this appeal is mostly gone as everyone and their dog knows that the money goes to Scopely. But, much like people in 419 eating communities hate the scammers with a passion, people now hate Phil with a passion. This'll only get worse with time.

- Watching his degenerate dented fans do their thing. If Derich had more internet presence, he'd steal Phil's show in a heartbeat, I tell you that much.

And I gotta say, the worst fucking part, is he does this while pretending he's a heartwarming, dear old hardworking suburban dad who believes in traditional values while still having his heart and mind open to those newfangled woke virtues, and only wants to provide for his family, and needs your help for that, and he's really greatful, dear viewer. Everytime he starts bloviating about putting food in the mouths of his family, I want to personally tell him to fuck off. Or buy cheaper catfood at least. If you don't push him to clarify, he'll let you think he's a struggling father of two. That shit's just slimy. Phil sees no issue trying to farm unwarranted empathy, and that is bound to make some people sore.

It's undeniable that people hate Phil way more nowadays, and wanting to prod him into something happening is a natural outcome that was brought around by himself. By removing any sort of appeal to people into games and people wanting to watch a trainwreck, his three remaining appeals directly work against him, first being the outrageously autistic community he has curated, directly as a result of him not allowing any dissent. If you're allowed there, you're dumb enough to believe Phil's obvious bullshit, so you're probably not very pleasant to be around. This is why most nightstreams he's rocking a tumbleweed chat. Without the bots he's getting and the whales to prop him up, Phil would have faded into obscurity already. No way he's gonna get new fans, cool mods, or discussion in his social media because of both actively squashing it and how dented everyone around him is. You literally can't talk about anything with him around. Bryan and Kekon tried to discuss a little bit of Soulcalibur and Phil's dent started to show, he basically went "Oh my god my head's spinning I don't understand anythinnnnggguuuuhhh" and shut that shit down with the quickness.

It's said a lot but, hypothetically, you click on a stream on Youtube. The chat's completely dead except for two dudes very enthusiastically doing a Diaper Furfag Erotic Roleplay, and Derich copypasting shit from wikipedia. "Jin Kazama is the son of Kazuya Mishima and Jun Kazama." Well thank you Derich, I knew that. Nightbot politely reminds you that the best way to help right now is via tips, as Phil gets those immediately to funnel to Scopely. You were wearing headphones so Phil just unleashed a powersnort in your ear, piercing your eardrums. And the stream is labelled "Tekken 8" but all the guy's doing is discussing that Lil' Wayne is a literal who and giving very lukewarm takes on whatever gaming news were making the rounds on twitter. He starts to enthusiastically discuss how him and his mo-wife Khet -thumb towards door- just had amazing quesadillas, which are comprised of a tortilla, cheese, and ground beef with a really good sauce, this pepper-infused sauce that's robust, tasty, yummy, and very good. They do love Mexican-style food. They also had Margaritas, premixed, from a bottle. You ask "Game when?", you had to be subbed for 24 hours to even chat, and you catch a LIMB.

By constantly and incessantly begging for money even AFTER he was caught with his hand in Hogan's jockstrap, REPEATEDLY, he's done nothing to clear his name or assuage doubts that all of that money isn't going into Scopely's blackhole other than going "Nuh-uh, wadn't me! Couldn't be! It's those sick trolls, mayuuuhn!" which, of course, is the sort of thing that attracted guys like Actually first and then Peace to hypercompetently track his shit, and will prevent him from getting new whales in the future. I would argue this is Phil's biggest problem and will eventually be his undoing. You can't just keep crying poor and claiming to be almost destitute when a quick google search proves you earn about five minimum wages every month. A few of his paypigs, like Jaxx Raxxor, are significantly worse off than he is. And of course, no one who's mentally sound is gonna donate under the guise of charity to a guy who's making bank.

Phil, for all his insistence that he's not, is a scammer. And the main problem with that is that of course it attracts people who hate scammers. There's a cartload of scammer payback channels on youtube making bank. At this point I'm just surprised someone like Jim Browning hasn't honeytrapped his ass, because it would rake in the views like nothing before. Feigning distress for money is against most streaming sites' TOS, and that's the one thing I feel Null missed. Sure, it's kind of a nerd thing to do to call the teacher, and obviously the teacher doesn't even care in the first place, unless you're caught red handed, but the joke is, Phil HAS been caught red handed.

Yet Youtube lets him ply his scammer trade right on their website. Hey, if Phil told his dents "Guys, I really WANT that new Medieval Hogan, money please" I doubt anyone would have a problem with that. It's the fact that he's always going "I don't even have enough money to buy groceries." "I need to save the house." "I got two big bills coming up (Every single fucking week!)" to trick the mentally feeble into parting with their welfare checks.

I get that as a streamer you can ask for crowdfunding and if people wanna give you money, well, nothing wrong with that in my book. I would however say that showing up in a wheelchair every day, looking emaciated and gaunt, and weakly asking for money to survive another month only to then add another Lambo to the Lambo pile you've been secretly building, is, if nothing else, a bit of a dick move.
 
Very informative post, but its left me wondering where this term came from. It's meaning is clear enough but I've never heard it before so idk if its a DSP-centric term or if I'm just getting old and missing out on new slang.
 
Very informative post, but its left me wondering where this term came from. It's meaning is clear enough but I've never heard it before so idk if its a DSP-centric term or if I'm just getting old and missing out on new slang.
Several of DSP's fans/ supporters literally have dents in their head, similar to my own.
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I don't see DSP as all that interesting. Sure he does/says dumb or entertaining stuff but he's just...there. A bad gamer who whines and snorts and e-begs.
I think he's a lolcow, yes, but he's so boring that I just don't get how the guy has such a massive presence here.
People only like DSP to fuck with him and watch him bitch and moan at being terrible at games. The former is 90% why people talk about him so much.
 
Very informative post, but its left me wondering where this term came from. It's meaning is clear enough but I've never heard it before so idk if its a DSP-centric term or if I'm just getting old and missing out on new slang.
I've only heard the term "dents" used in the DSP-Sphere, and you'll also here them referred to as "wheelchairs" or "chairs." Same meaning, but with DSP's fanbase this is truly as accurate as it can be demeaning.

For example, this is Jayde. He's a supporter of Phil's for years and may be one of Phil's biggest fans with Derich probably being the only bigger fan.

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Jayde unironically talks like this, with his most memorable phrase probably being "it time go":

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There are other examples in the DSP Fan Thread however you'll find a common tread between an unironic fan and a lower mental acuity. This fact has also lead to the occasional meta discussion about DSP manipulating these people, and if you should feel mad/sad/bad about it, or if these dents get what they deserve after not managing to notice the most basic of manipulation for what it is.
 
I've only heard the term "dents" used in the DSP-Sphere, and you'll also here them referred to as "wheelchairs" or "chairs." Same meaning, but with DSP's fanbase this is truly as accurate as it can be demeaning.

For example, this is Jayde. He's a supporter of Phil's for years and may be one of Phil's biggest fans with Derich probably being the only bigger fan.

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Jayde unironically talks like this, with his most memorable phrase probably being "it time go":

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There are other examples in the DSP Fan Thread however you'll find a common tread between an unironic fan and a lower mental acuity. This fact has also lead to the occasional meta discussion about DSP manipulating these people, and if you should feel mad/sad/bad about it, or if these dents get what they deserve after not managing to notice the most basic of manipulation for what it is.
I feel bad for Jayde. He seems to be a genuinely nice kid and is one of Phil’s only fans that isnt a sexual deviant. The others deserve Phil
 
Phil having the mystical power to outlive everything life throws at him, and fucking the IRS is reason enough to love him
imo I give that power to Jack "Survived my 100th Stroke" Scalfani but I guess you can say DSP can outlive any internet problem, while Scalfani has surpassed the physical realm entirely
 
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