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[TowinKarz]

Looking back from today, perhaps people should have taken the hint and just not gone there.

Well, not with THAT attitude!

That's part of what makes urbanists absurd. They believe that the 1960s urban planning philosophies were completely wrong, destroyed America, freeways, projects, etc. yet are also convinced that they and like-minded city planners, enlightened with mid-rises, bike paths, and mass transit, are completely right and cannot be questioned.

Tower blocks, freeways and a token park didn't work.

But, five-over-ones, bike lanes and a token park with Wi-Fi obviously WILL.

Speaking of rail, what are the odds these people know anything about maximum incline for freight trains?

I'm convinced a lot of people, not just these urbanists, but people in general, even pro-HST people, don't even know what freight trains DO or what they're FOR..... and seem to think they block traffic at crossings and take up land along rivers and harbors for no reason at all.

They really seem to wonder why you can't just take those 10 acre rail yards out of the city and then use the land for something better......

 

[Fried-Rice12]

I do, but the urbanist has a fetish for rail lines goddamn everywhere, so we'd just replace one with the other.

Speaking of rail, what are the odds these people know anything about maximum incline for freight trains?

What goes up, must come down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

The idea of self-driving cars does kinda creep me out, but....

https://archive.md/IUlGQ

 

[msd]

Some tard on Nextdoor "noticed a lot of farmland going unused" on his bike ride alongside XYZ highway, and, uh, why don't we just build more housing there? For the unhoused?

Well, the farmland is not unused, it BEING FARMED for all that hipster arugula salad you eat you fuck. If you're local, you know the arable land in the area is precious. This guy has got to be one of the college kids that comes here to shit up the place. Anyway after some pushback he mentioned rooftop gardens. And something about how much food goes to waste in America.

Anyway, there is no insult goofier than "carbrain" and I can't believe that's the best they got.

I want him dead, beaten, kicked out of anywhere that has farmland.

Yuppie scum

 

[Lady Bizness]

I want him dead, beaten, kicked out of anywhere that has farmland.

Yuppie scum

At the very least, I want the people around me to be less credulous of people like this. It's not the movies where a guy with a zany idea that everyone doubts saves the day. Leave the people calling him a moron alone, and also, call him a fucking moron.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

If freedom of movement had been that restricted during "The New Normal", I could've been stuck in a crappy urban zone for life.

It’s funny how they want to restrict freedom of movement except for migrants lol.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

The idea of self-driving cars does kinda creep me out, but....

What a surprise that someone making such a post has that "progress flag" design in the avatar they use.

It’s funny how they want to restrict freedom of movement except for migrants lol.

Almost as if they want to destabilize and demoralize with the BS unlimited immigration causes, then keep the "little people" trapped.

(Migrants may enter Western urban zones but do they ever leave?)

 

[BulkForceFive]

What goes up, must come down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster

After Lac Megantic, a lot of municipalities here in Canada suddenly got very nervous about the railyards inside their boundaries, often right next to the old downtown core. Lots of talk about moving them out to 'depopulated areas' where any disasters wouldn't have a huge deathtoll. The sheer number of vaporized Frenchmen even caused the anti-pipeline crusaders to squirm a little. Ultimately it didn't go anywhere because uhhh, those railyards are private property and won't be bought for anything less than top dollar.

Of course there was zero pushback from urbanists when NIMBYs floated this idea, just like there's zero pushback from urbanists whenever some industry is kicked out of the Toronto waterfront so they can build condos for Chinese investors. How are all those workers supposed to get to their new job location out in the sticks? Personal cars... the things that urbanists hate so much.

 

[DavidS877]

After Lac Megantic, a lot of municipalities here in Canada suddenly got very nervous about the railyards inside their boundaries, often right next to the old downtown core. Lots of talk about moving them out to 'depopulated areas' where any disasters wouldn't have a huge deathtoll. The sheer number of vaporized Frenchmen even caused the anti-pipeline crusaders to squirm a little. Ultimately it didn't go anywhere because uhhh, those railyards are private property and won't be bought for anything less than top dollar.

The number of trains that have exploded or otherwise caused tremendous damage is pretty high.

According to the California Governor's Office of Emergency Service, "On April 28, 1973, in the Southern Pacific Railroad yard near the Northern California community of Roseville, a bomb detonated in one of the boxcars creating massive explosions, huge plumes of smoke in the air, destroyed buildings and rail sections and dug huge craters in the ground. Over a period of approximately 32 hours, 18 boxcars exploded in succession. The railroad yard was essentially destroyed."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Roseville_Yard_Disaster

A train accident caused a chemical tank car to fall into the Sacramento River, spilling 19,000 gallons of the herbicide metam sodium. The chemical impacts extended over 20 miles from the spill site to Lake Shasta.

https://wildlife.ca.gov/OSPR/NRDA/Cantara-Loop-Dunsmuir

The recent one in Ohio, etc etc.

 

[Chuck McGill]

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The idea of self-driving cars does kinda creep me out, but....

https://archive.md/IUlGQ

This whole "which one does the AI kill?" is such a fucking midwit meme it hurts. They're meant to be a thought experiment on who's more valued by society, not an actual dilemma you have to program into your self-driving cars. I guarantee you that your Tesla is never going to have a subroutine that runs in the background that determines who it runs over in the extremely unlikely event the brakes have failed and "just coast to a stop" isn't an option.

Anyone that takes these stupid meme thought experiments seriously deserves to be openly mocked and be actively screened from any job remotely close to tech. These midwits are the reason I have to deal with some retard have an apoplectic fit every two months about ChatGPT becoming Skynet all on its own without intervention from human coders. Somehow. It's right around the corner, man. The AI, they're like totally gonna become self-aware and enslave us all dood!

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Ultimately it didn't go anywhere because uhhh, those railyards are private property and won't be bought for anything less than top dollar.

The Katy railroad right of way got bought out (redundant line, Southern Pacific owned others) and despite meaning the fact that whatever hazardous materials were no longer being carried through West Houston, it retains a sticking point for urbanism because a highway was built there instead.

However, in the case of Lac-Mégantic and other runaway trains the universal factor is usually, of course, a sloping track. A bunch of nasty chemicals trawl through Houston every single day but there is zero chance of a runaway train because the grade is almost perfectly flat.

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

Looking back from today, perhaps people should have taken the hint and just not gone there.

while it had a national rail connection, very little traffic did go there, because it was one of the worst connected major towns on the network
the only places you could get to on direct trains were Rochdale and Manchester, respectively 6 and 9 miles away, and the intermediate stops
(this has now been replaced by a tram line, which is laid on a better-quality route overall)

the motorway spur to the north is pretty dodgy too - to actually get into Oldham, you have to exit at the last junction, as the through route just takes you into Manchester

 

[WelperHelper99]

So Alan is complaining about I-95 in Philadelphia and how it takes up the waterfront.

Okay, I agree that a highway isn't the most scenic use of the waterfront but let's temper our autistic emotions and look for a reason WHY this highway was built...
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Huh...two stadium, a port, and the CSX Intermodal railyard.

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Do you think a port, a rail Intermodal facility, and two stadiums need a highway?

Yes or no?​

Urbanists can't understand urban planning or logistics once again. The military uses ALONE, being next to a port, warrants a highway.

But, five-over-ones, bike lanes and a token park with Wi-Fi obviously WILL

Parks with wifi is a actual sin. If I go to a park, generally I want to be offline. It goes against the very point of a park.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

This whole "which one does the AI kill?" is such a fucking midwit meme it hurts. They're meant to be a thought experiment on who's more valued by society, not an actual dilemma you have to program into your self-driving cars. I guarantee you that your Tesla is never going to have a subroutine that runs in the background that determines who it runs over in the extremely unlikely event the brakes have failed and "just coast to a stop" isn't an option.

Realistically, a pedestrian is going to have less impact on society than someone driving in a car, because people in cars tend to have families and jobs, whereas a lot of pedestrians tend to be homeless or ne'er-do-wells. This of course is averaging out and simplifying a lot of data, but it doesn't matter because for urbanists simplifying data is how they push their bullshit in the first place and the second thing is that when you start thinking "kill four passengers instead of one pedestrian" you're no longer considering the value of human life.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

"kill four passengers instead of one pedestrian" you're no longer considering the value of human life.

To be fair 4 Tesla Drivers do have less value than even Bicyclists.

Fuck Tesla Drivers

 

[JJLiautaud]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Roseville_Yard_Disaster

I'm honestly surprised the Roseville Yard hasn't had more disasters its the largest rail yard west of the Mississippi I believe

 

[Fried-Rice12]

To everyone who enjoys globalhomo's electric bullshit:

HAVE FUN BURNING IN HELL, YA SHIT EATING CUNT!

 

[LaxerBRO]

Going a few months back but I want to address the whining City Nerd has about the demise of rail routes from the Golden Age of Rail (1950's) compared to current times.

Now, let me concede that most of the stuff City Nerd says in his video is correct. Rail routes have greatly diminished since the 1950's. But let's take a look at why they diminished. First, lets take a look at a popular journey of Chicago to Los Angeles. Per Amtrak the current travel time is 40+ hours.

Being charitable, lets just say the journey takes the minimum amount of time, 40 hours. Next, we should examine something that City Nerd did not include in his videos about rail routes...price. The Chicago to LA routing cost $55.44 in 1955 for a One Way ticket. Once we consider inflation that cost is $630.32 cents for 2023.


So if we wanted to have a round trip, the total cost would be $1260.64 for basically a two day journey in a coach seat. As to these seats, I will concede that they look comfy AF but only for a day trip but not a nearly two day journey. If someone wanted a sleeper cabin, the cost would be about 50% more if the coach fare per train autists. So for a roomette that's about $1890.

But lets take a look at air travel on a non shit airline in first class. Delta has a round trip first class fare costing $568 that takes about three hours accounting for time zones. So first class air travel is a 1/3 of the price and about 92% faster. The reason is clear why rail routes faltered.

Now, let me say that I have been on long distance rail travel spanning multiple days. I enjoy my roomettes. I enjoy these voyages, but I don't lament that restriction in rail routes or better trains. Personally, its a hobby for well off people with a ton of vacations days like myself that enjoy the journey to a destination. What I find interesting is that those who scorn the past due to actual and alleged racism, who complain about capitalism, and other societal ills of yesteryear will be fans of a fairly elitist form of rail travel.

Perhaps progressives like rail travel of yesteryear the same reason Jason (NJB) likes Amsterdam, its full of rich White people. ​

 

[Señora Airi]

These people would make shit like 4 hour road trips illegal if they could. It's either ride the train from City 10 to City 17 or nothing, citizen.

These people think that they're the protags of a YA novel, not realizing they are the very dystopians they pretend to despise.

Peppa Pig brainwashes kids into liking cars:
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This feels like the parent who was seething cause he was an athiest, and his kid watched Veggietales and wanted to be a Christian.
Also, they really love saying (insert media here) is copaganda.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

pro EV or /r/fuckcars rhetoric

Not much of a fan of cars myself (ugly infrastructure and safety issues involved). However, there's no better alternative for real freedom of movement than a gasoline or diesel powered vehicle. What else is there? Public transportation is even worse (it's not great to ride a city bus somewhere, at least or especially in America). EVs have all their problems and hazards. Flying is cool, but unless you got a private aircraft, the only way to fly is dealing with BS of airport, airport security, and airline BS.