War As Trump looms, top EU politician calls for European nuclear deterrent - Center-right leader Manfred Weber says EU needs to prepare for war without US help and must build its own atomic shield.


JANUARY 25, 2024 4:00 AM CET
BY JAKOB HANKE VELA AND NICOLAS CAMUT

Facing the potential return of Donald Trump to the White House, the head of the EU's biggest political grouping is calling for Europeans to prepare for war without support from the United States and to build its own nuclear umbrella.

Manfred Weber, leader of the center-right European People's Party (EPP) — currently tipped to come first in the European Parliament election in June — described Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin as "the two who set the framework" for 2024.

Trump's seemingly imminent coronation as Republican presidential contender after wins in Iowa and New Hampshire have spooked Europe, where he is remembered as a NATO skeptic, accusing EU countries of not paying their way and threatening not to come to Europe's defense if it were attacked.

"We want NATO, but we also have to be strong enough to be able to defend ourselves without it or in times of Trump," Weber said in a phone interview with POLITICO on the return leg of a train trip to Kyiv. "Regardless of who is elected in America, Europe must be able to stand on its own in terms of foreign policy and be able to defend itself independently," the influential German conservative said.

That brought him to the vexing question of European nuclear defenses. NATO currently relies heavily on U.S. nuclear warheads, which are deployed on six military air bases in Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey.

"Europe must build deterrence, we must be able to deter and defend ourselves," he said. "We all know that when push comes to shove, the nuclear option is the really decisive one."

Since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Putin has significantly upped his nuclear rhetoric, and regularly made veiled atomic threats toward the West.

Within the EU, the only country that would be able to play a larger role is France, which has about 300 nuclear warheads.

French President Emmanuel Macron floated the idea of a French-led European nucelar deterrent in 2020, when he called for a "strategic dialogue" on "the role of France's nuclear deterrent in [Europe's] collective security." But Germany never took up that offer. In 2022, France again urged a discussion with Berlin, saying the offer was still on the table.

According to Weber, it's now time to bring back that idea of internationalizing the "force de frappe."

"I would like to see the European dimension of nuclear defense as a long-term goal," the EPP leader said."But as long as this is not realistic, we should take up Macron's offer and think now about how France's nuclear armament can also be embedded in European structures."

The other European nuclear power — but outside the EU — is Britain, with fewer than some 260 warheads. "Perhaps, just to make the options clear, we are now at a point where, after the years and decade of Brexit, we should open a constructive dialogue with our British friends," Weber continued.

"They, too, are having difficulties in ensuring their security. They, too, are running out of money for the two aircraft carriers they have. They are also finding it difficult to maintain their capacities. And in this respect, it is perhaps now also right to start an organized structured dialogue with Great Britain."

Weber conceded that although the Continent is divided on topics such as Russia and defense, politicians from the centrist parties need to do a better job of mapping out the risks.

"We have to be honest with people," he argued. "We should not hide the reality of the threat situation in the face of Putin in order to somehow create the feeling that things won't be so bad."
 
They have everything they need to nuke another country though, and they can make more.
That would require them to not be suffering a competency crisis like the rest of the planet. They went hard for importing infinity bomalians to every euro country and that will be it's downfall.
 
Sounds like Funkyzeit with Bruno.

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Trump's...accusing EU countries of not paying their way
"We want NATO, but we also have to be strong enough to be able to defend ourselves without it or in times of Trump," Weber said in a phone interview with POLITICO on the return leg of a train trip to Kyiv. "Regardless of who is elected in America, Europe must be able to stand on its own in terms of foreign policy and be able to defend itself independently," the influential German conservative said.
Ah yes, you dislike Trump because he wants Europe to increase defense spending, so as a result you conclude you can be better defending yourself by going it alone with your pathetic military.
Imagine thinking that anyone will consider you more than a joke.
 
Thanks to decades of over-regulating your industrial base and balkanizing/demoralizing your workforce to the point you guys have to outsource making a toaster to China? I don't see how you're going to pull off building the acme of military technology in your backyards overnight.

You're better off just playing nice with the President so he'll loan you the keys to ours if you need them, but that hurts your pride, apparently.....
 
About a year ago one of the local military experts casually mentioned that the end of NATO will come not through it being disbanded or defeated but by becoming obsolete as its members form independent military alliances, like the ones emerging on the border with Russia (Poland-Sweden-Finland-Baltics) or the ANZUS. It is starting to look like he had a point.
 
The Germans would balk at the possibility of France heading any nuclear response. That's before they start squabbling over who gets what percentage of work for maintaining a European nuclear umbrella.
Germany will soon be a political non factor after they decided to unload an entire magazine in their foot via blatantly retarded energy and geopolitical decisions that will utterly destroy their industries and thus economy in under a decade. Those are the sole reason it has any EU influence and they're going away.

If France can get a good and stable Uranium supply going, it doesn't matter what the rest of the EU wants- the frogs will be the main food and energy exporters along with the biggest army in Europe. The EU will become a de facto French sphere of influence. Never underestimate French opportunism and perfidy.
 
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