Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Seafarer]

I'm gonna be honest here. I thought people were just exaggerating when they were saying the song Hell's Best Dad was clearly made to stop people from shipping Chalastor.

It wasn't until I actually listened to song, and heard Alastor deadass say that Charlie was "like the child that he wished that he had", that I in fact realized that they were indeed telling the truth, and that Viv was doing everything in her power to sink the ship.

Alastor could literally turn out to be Charlie’s actual father and the Charlastor shippers would still want them to fuck.

 

[Roger Dennis]

I watched episode two after only one hour. I guess I’m a masochist or some shit.

Uh, I liked that Alastor is an old soul, so his rival is a walking TV or whatever. I liked snake boi’s performance and the fact that he genuinely wants to repent. His egg bois are pretty based. Something about Angel Dust having a bit of a crisis with an incel pimp or some guy and his pet pig has to comfort him.

I honestly don’t remember anything else from this episode. It was fucking late at night and I had work tomorrow. I did manage to watch episode three this morning, so I’ll report on that later.

 

[Weppers]

so does the seraphim count as making god an extremely large black woman or should we all just stop treating anything like a one to one allegory/insult

also is lucifer only king of hell because he's a fallen angel that no one in hell can harm except for the ones that can break that rule for reasons or uh

 

[Eggman's Ghost]

Episodes 5 and 6 were good for character moments imo, and the things that happened were interesting but it's all so rushed and once again the songs kick in right when I feel like the show is giving me what I want.

I actually think the heaven song was fine because it makes sense for the annoying ass people in heaven to be bursting into song randomly, but that's about the only time it's made sense from a character or world-building standpoint. Two songs an ep is also excessive imo. I haaaate how clearly I can see Viv being a stupid broadway fujoshi seeping out of this show's pores

 

[Colon capital V]

Lucifer

When I watched him the first time, I got the impression that he lost his position in power and that angels took reign over him by putting him in a room creating rubber duckies (seriously, what was that scene? Has he been making rubber duck toys for all that time he hasn't seen Charlie?), but no, apparently he's still a ruler in his circle of hell and can get in contact with other angels just fine, he's just a complete fuckin wimp who has no backbone here.

 

[Seventh Star]

ETA: This show is a fucking disaster. I can't imagine what all the fans who were hyping this up over the last 4 (?) years think if this is the culmination of all the lore they collected.

HB sucking softened the blow, I saw it coming.

Can we please scale back the recurring useless characters? I thought this would be some Dr. House/Amateur Surgeon type shit where every episode is about a new person coming in. Conflict should come from character interaction and reaction, not gay lore shit and retrospection.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

It never would have actually happened, but imagine how much of a shock it would have been if Alastor had been permanently killed off at the end of the Hell's Greatest Dad by Lucifer because of how much he disrespected him, and his daughter.

 

[Alter Ego]

Soo Mike Knowles and daily wire are chiming in on this show and...damn to think I used to regularly listen to these guys. Look I don't like mango milkshake and hazbin is...not for me. I still just barley tolerate helluva. But these guys think vivian created the show specifically to sell Satanism to the masses. I'm legit amazed Knowles did his research and acknowledged that hazbin is an ADULT cartoon. As in they know its not real and won't see the devil or demons as heroes. If walsh gives his two cents on the show it wouldn't surprise me if he thinks it's a kids show at first...or claims kids will watch it anyways cause it was still designed to target them or some bs like that.


And as people in the comments say it's a wonder they praise South park and called it a great conservative show. Yet they don't realize south park has mocked EVERYONE. including conservatives and Republicans in the past.

Daily wire should stick to mocking trannies and sleepy Joe and leave the bitching about woke western animation and the works of vivziepop to us.

Here's the video and a backup:

https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/OUN4FdH1_VA

I'm definitely not familiar with Knowles as I am with Shapiro and Walsh, so I was surprised to see that this was actually calm theological commentary rather than Tim Pool-style outrage bait. It's just a shame that it appears Knowles doesn't know about the show's premise and only saw the opening monologue rather than the full first episode to remark on, else he would've certainly had something to say about Adam. He's surely not going to say anything more about the show ever again, but I'd actually be interested in hearing Knowles' theologically-informed commentary on the whole show and his take on the depiction of Hell, Heaven, sinners, angels, Adam, Lucifer, redemption, etc.

And though I don't believe it's Viv's main intention, I think it's pretty safe to say at this point that the show is promotional of Satanism, which to be clear is not a religion, but anti-theism (or rather anti-Christianity, specifically) expressed with ironic glorification of Satan and Hell. As I explained in my very first post in this thread, there was a time with just the Hazbin pilot that the show could theoretically have a positive Christian theme about redeeming sinners, but that's not what we're getting. Instead it's Hell being red Los Angeles with lots of benign inhabitants and Heaven being unjustly condescending. A top comment on Knowles' video points out the possibility of the opening monologue being unreliable narration, but it seems with the newest episodes that we really are supposed to take the backstory it presents at face value with Lucifer (though not necessarily Satan) being a downtrodden good guy while Heaven is small-minded. We've also gotten the suggestion from leaked spoilers that Lilith is a good guy as well while true evil is placed upon a wholly-invented third party. All of this seems to be steering the show towards a final conclusion that Hell isn't so bad and just has an undue bad rep.

 

[Cave Fisher]

Is it me, or are HB's hell and HH's hell are being kept juuust different enough from each other to avoid any possible legal scenarios? Because if Heaven's so scared of hell and wants to keep them from being big enough to organize against them, would it not be smarter to go after hell's ACTUAL legions, Goetia Family, and/or seven deadly sins? Because if regular sinners stand an even slight chance against angels, than the ones miles above them in power should be the highest priority in taking out, but I guess not, if all their actual jobs seem to entail is singing, crying, and being gay.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Alastor could literally turn out to be Charlie’s actual father and the Charlastor shippers would still want them to fuck.

It's like Wincest for a new generation.

imagine how much of a shock it would have been if Alastor had been permanently killed off at the end of the Hell's Greatest Dad by Lucifer because of how much he disrespected him, and his daughter

That would have been based NGL.

A top comment on Knowles' video points out the possibility of the opening monologue being unreliable narration

Knowles is too autistic for that. He thinks Nickelback is deep:

https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/NbtEo-tEywk

 

[Bunny Tracks]

The golden violin from the song The Devil Went Down to Georgia, and that was in that old fanart that was posted like two hundred pages ago is now canon.

 

[Rakdos92]

Kind of disappointed there haven't been any leaks of the new episodes (like hell I will pay for streaming service).

The thing about how Heaven doesn't know what decides who goes where after death just reeks to me of "foreshadowing" where the grand reveal will be Root being responsible for judging the dead. I even dare say Root will have set up the whole thing like a lottery where Winning gets you Heaven and the opportunity to indulge in "Evil" by becoming an Exterminator while the consequences of Losing are obvious, all in an effort to tie it to these cards they sold. Oh, and Lillith will be revealed to have spent all that time away researching and preparing for an confrontation with the Root of all Evil to fix her mistake sorry, bring salvation to all beings by destroying it. She will do it on her own with only Charlie and Vaggie for help because "lol men are useless".

 

[AnOminous]

It wasn't until I actually listened to song, and heard Alastor deadass say that Charlie was "like the child that he wished that he had", that I in fact realized that they were indeed telling the truth, and that Viv was doing everything in her power to sink the ship.

She can't stop them but she can make them look as shitty as possible and I'm all for that.

 

[SubarashiiRage]

The angels not knowing what someone needs to be and do to get into Heaven is the stupidest thing, but them treating the checklist that Adam made as definitive proof that Angel should be in Heaven based on a few minutes of his life it's worse, being nice to your friends doesn't mean you're not an asshole to everyone else.

We have no idea what progress he's made, or how close he is to relapsing or not. We skip 5 months and Angel is still in the same situation ,how do you call this "he's seen the light"?

Also, Emily calling the people of Hell "innocent" makes me facepalm, is that what the point of the show is going to be? that no one needs to improve because Heaven's rules are bullshit?

 

[ReceiveAndAsk]

I haaaate how clearly I can see Viv being a stupid broadway fujoshi seeping out of this show's pores

Both shows *are* broadway musical fujoshi.

 

[fishercat]

I saw someone on Tumblr describe Hazbin Hotel as "Rick and Morty for theater kids." Pretty accurate imo.

 

[BeetleBug242]

I like how no one seems to understand musical writing. Why the fuck are songs randomly starting and why is everything being made for retarded ADHD zoomer mind rot enjoyers.
Each scene leaves no room for subtext or imagination to exist. everything is painfully spelt out and made clear enough for a blind midget to see.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

guy shocked that Twitter blows shit out-of-proportion

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

I saw someone on Tumblr describe Hazbin Hotel as "Rick and Morty for theater kids." Pretty accurate imo.

Tumblr sees this show as a train wreck? That's sad.

Everytime I think of HH's and HB's worldbuilding, I think of how it can go further down the drain. I'm surprised no one's thought of writing something akin to a parody of HH or HB that ends up being more fleshed out and coherent.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Everytime I think of HH's and HB's worldbuilding, I think of how it can go further down the drain. I'm surprised no one's thought of writing something akin to a parody of HH or HB that ends up being more fleshed out and coherent.

Well... not a parody, but i idealized a Heaven & Hell plot in my novel so long ago, taking direct influence from Darksiders.