Artcow Frank Breaker / Monostar Leatherknuckles / Frankman64 / Glitchyboy64 / Dr.V / VictorRay67 / Frankie Ferox / Kazuki Oyama - Black Chris Chan? Diehard Weeaboo. Danganronpasperg. OPsec Disaster. Aspiring Mangaka. True & Honest Creator of ЯED MIST. Vore Fetishist. Gachatuber. Questionable Business Practices. Lied About Being an Adult.

Tenshi Eating A Corn Dog! said:
What's @Monostar Leatherknuckles favorite Dangan Ronpa character? It wouldn't happen to be Junko Enoshima, would it?
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Unfortunately not a school shooter. Junko is probably his third or fourth favorite character.

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#1 waifu is, of course, Celestial Ludenberg (coincidentally, the same favorite of Black New World Order nonce CeCe)
 
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DEAD BIRD said:
I love that we've all just agreed that Bai Dong-Suk is this gigachad racist.

Because he is, and he deserves to be depicted as he is. A pure chad radiating copious amounts of "FUCK NIGGERS" energy.
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To be fair, Bai Dong-suk being racist is true to Monostar's original vision. It's just that he tried to frame Bai Dong-suk as an unlikeable character and didn't anticipate him becoming the fan favorite.
 
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DEAD BIRD said:
Very true, I just like that everyone flipped the script of him being the obvious "racist chud" type, into being a chad.
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I mean the characteristic that he’s concerned about his daughters and his reluctance shows not a sign of a vile or racist character, just adds intrigue. It makes you question why they’re like that when South Koreans are often positive towards Americans. It makes you wonder what’s up with the man.
 
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Admiral Throbnelius said:
To be fair, Bai Dong-suk being racist is true to Monostar's original vision. It's just that he tried to frame Bai Dong-suk as an unlikeable character and didn't anticipate him becoming the fan favorite.
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Which reminds me:

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You've pretty much signaled to any potential reader that this isn't a work to entertain the audience so much as it is a vehicle for you to express your political beliefs. (...) Oh, and since your main character is black, you're also going to throw in a bit about racism, perhaps related to how black people are treated in East Asian countries.
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Totally called it.

But yeah, that's precisely why Monostar was so pissed off about us turning Bai Dong Suk into a Gigachad, since he fully intended him to be an unlikeable monster. He simply had no idea what kind of audience he was pitching his comic to...
 
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Admiral Throbnelius said:
To be fair, Bai Dong-suk being racist is true to Monostar's original vision. It's just that he tried to frame Bai Dong-suk as an unlikeable character and didn't anticipate him becoming the fan favorite.
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Weird. I mean surely he must have known that we at the KiwiFarms would prefer a racist character. It's almost as like he had no clue who he was pitching this idea to.
 
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PositiveMonk said:
Weird. I mean surely he must have known that we at the KiwiFarms would prefer a racist character. It's almost as like he had no clue who he was pitching this idea to.
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Even if we ignore the fact that he was always going to be a hit with the Farms for his racism, which thanks to Frank's poorly written dialogue is way funnier than it should be, Bai Dong-suk still would fail to be the unlikeable character Frank wants. Bai Dong-suk cares about his family and wants the best for daughters. That's a very respectable goal and it makes his dislike of Elliot understandable in the sense that you know where he is coming from. Elliot is also a foreigner and outsider, so it also makes sense why Bai Dong-suk wouldn't trust him. I think even Cedric pointed this out, but it also adds intrigue because I start asking questions like "what makes Bai Dong-suk think this way?" there must be a reason he's like this. If Frank wanted him to be an unlikeable monster that the reader should hate, then he should have made Bai Dong-suk treat his family like shit.
 
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Admiral Throbnelius said:
If Frank wanted him to be an unlikeable monster that the reader should hate, then he should have made Bai Dong-suk treat his family like shit.
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Part of me wonders if that was supposed to be a part of the "they're dealing with issues you guys don't know about!" bit, but you'd probably want to establish, or better yet hint at, that sort of dynamic during his first introduction with the rest of the family. All he really seems to be is more of an authoritarian/disciplinarian type, which is hardly uncommon, especially (if we're generalizing) in East Asian families. His first scene doesn't have to be beating them or stumbling around as a worthless drunkard, that'd be too on-the-nose, but nothing presented in the first chapter there really indicates to me any flaw other than "says (hilarious) mean things about the protagonist, who is black."
 
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Mr.Miyagi said:
Part of me wonders if that was supposed to be a part of the "they're dealing with issues you guys don't know about!" bit, but you'd probably want to establish, or better yet hint at, that sort of dynamic during his first introduction with the rest of the family. All he really seems to be is more of an authoritarian/disciplinarian type, which is hardly uncommon, especially (if we're generalizing) in East Asian families. His first scene doesn't have to be beating them or stumbling around as a worthless drunkard, that'd be too on-the-nose, but nothing presented in the first chapter there really indicates to me any flaw other than "says (hilarious) mean things about the protagonist, who is black."
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This is just my opinion, but the fact that in most of his lines he constantly references Elliot being black and American makes it come off as Frank trying to tell the reader "OMG GUYS LOOK AT THIS GUY HE'S SUCH A RACIST PIECE OF SHIT! HATE HIM NOW!" in the most blunt and unsubtle way possible.
 
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Admiral Throbnelius said:
This is just my opinion, but the fact that in most of his lines he constantly references Elliot being black and American makes it come off as Frank trying to tell the reader "OMG GUYS LOOK AT THIS GUY HE'S SUCH A RACIST PIECE OF SHIT! HATE HIM NOW!" in the most blunt and unsubtle way possible.
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Which again, doesn’t make me hate the guy, makes me wonder what makes him act out like that.
 
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I've been playing around with art styles (by the way, unless you really have a clear direction with your art, understanding the beats of your story comes first, in my opinion.) Tonally Frank's script is everywhere and moments have no build up.

1 - This is Ara if the story takes on a more serious, grounded, and psychological horror tone.
2 - This is Ara in a more bi-weekly shonen or shojo style. This would allow or expression and the art style hold more of a young/urban feel.
3 - This is the commission that Monostar ordered. This has more of a digital novel or dating sim vibe.

I could signal out any character but Ara seemed the most muddy to me. Also the biggest bit of wish fulfillment. She loves Elliot for no reason instantly. She acts like a child, a "knock on my head and stick my tongue out" type of ditz. Not to mention she is built like a model. These characters do exist in shonen but usually the "love interest" plays second fiddle to the action. Monostar seems the really like this character and wants to put her into the story heavily. Good characters are walking contradictions (to various levels.)

Now, Monostar. I recommend you not read this next part. I'm going to add character and conflict to your waifu and I'm certain you are going to hate it.

I think an interesting thing to do with Ara is one, determine her age (make her 15 -16 years old) and not be in the same school as Elliot. Furthermore, she'll be an overdevelped teenager that knows that her looks can manipulate men, is letting it go to her head, but she is a bit naive to the nature of the world. She thinks she can toy with men and there's nothing they can do about it

She is wrong, of course. As the story starts out, she's been sleeping with San Hye and messing with him. She eventually gets his dick pics and threatens extortion. Hye, the chad that he is, calls her buff and sends his own dick pics to the entire school. He doesn't care and he has been plowing most of the students and some of the staff anyway. He then turns the tables and threatens to send her nudes to her father.

It's not a great bit of storytelling but it's conflict. Actually, people at my school did this.
 
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Just as there are depth to the color black, with racism there’s depth to it. With a little bit, it can seem like a mistake or just being unaware. As with color blending, the use of racism as a subject can’t be one size fits all like some writers try to make it seem. There is depth to it and layers to it. Tackling racism or using racism as an story matter is very delicate and when not handled right, it can send either an opposite message of what was intended or miss the original intent (like in the case of Red Mist).
 
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Cedric_Eff said:
makes me wonder what makes him act out like that.
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prolonged exposure to niggers will turn even the most kind-hearted into hateful racists

I still can’t believe he thinks he’s going to somehow work his way into becoming a famous manga author in Japan through sheer dedication despite being a black American (autism and bad writing aside)

Can any of our resident manga/anime spergs shed some light on a question of mine? Are there any successful black manga/anime creators in Japan? Just from a cursory glance as someone with zero knowledge of the medium but some knowledge about the Japanese being hyper-racist, my assumption is no and there probably never will be.
 
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