US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[MrJokerRager]

Biden declares Trump to be president.

Trump talks about NATO.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

I'm at the point where I just want the bottom to well and truly fall out so we can move on, instead of this mediocre shit being propped up for years on end

Keep in mind the bottom falling out caused the Soviet union to fall apart so does Yugoslavia. Many of the countries needed 10+ years to recover npt to mention intermittent conflicts. Those 10+ years are pstd inducing suffering and misery that has scarred everyone and caused massive life loss and drop in life expectancy plus fertility rates and population that Russia tries to make up for today. You don't have that much young population either just 55+ category dying out will wipe out third of the population not to mention like 10% they need medication to live. Or the 20-30 % who are foreign borned or born to foreign parents and have ties to other countries that they can move to.

USA and Europe having bottom falling out is literally depopulation, misery and destruction on scale not seen before plus you never know how the chips will fall down you might be in for a protracted civil war .

Bottom line be careful what you wish for

 

[Betonhaus]

Keep in mind the bottom falling out caused the Soviet union to fall apart so does Yugoslavia. Many of the countries needed 10+ years to recover npt to mention intermittent conflicts. Those 10+ years are pstd inducing suffering and misery that has scarred everyone and caused massive life loss and drop in life expectancy plus fertility rates and population that Russia tries to make up for today. You don't have that much young population either just 55+ category dying out will wipe out third of the population not to mention like 10% they need medication to live. Or the 20-30 % who are foreign borned or born to foreign parents and have ties to other countries that they can move to.

USA and Europe having bottom falling out is literally depopulation, misery and destruction on scale not seen before plus you never know how the chips will fall down you might be in for a protracted civil war .

Bottom line be careful what you wish for

We may not have a choice. Our nations have been fully corrupted by unrealistic ideals, and as long as they are around things will not improve. When people have to think hard if their ideal are more important then their personal wellbeing and the continuity of their family and community, that's the only way to build a strong community. That community will also be heavily unified out of necessity. I believe the USSR was primarily atheist, with the people not really learning faith and strength until they had no choice but to put their hope in god.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

We may not have a choice. Our nations have been fully corrupted by unrealistic ideals, and as long as they are around things will not improve. When people have to think hard if their ideal are more important then their personal wellbeing and the continuity of their family and community, that's the only way to build a strong community. That community will also be heavily unified out of necessity.

Not to mention a civil war doesn't *have* to happen. If Trump loses and Texas secedes (which is I think a likely timeline, just as the South waited til after Lincoln's election), and other states join them, the US could theoretically make like Elsa and Let Them Go.

While the official position of the US government is that secession is illegal, they don't have to defend it with force. A lot of leftists would prefer to let the MAGAchud racist sexist sciencedenying homotransphobes fuck off to their dumb flyover states to purge the enlightened cities of wrongthinkers and create Soytopia, home of the Right Side of History.

The problem is a lot of leftists would also prefer to impose their ideology by force and re-education and seethe at the idea of anyone getting away to think freely, so they would demand Civil War II. And to be fair a lot of Fudds and LARPers would chomp at the bit to take The Day of the Rope on the road and teach those niggerlovers a permanent lesson.

But a peaceful national divorce could be possible and result in two countries that are economically viable. You'd have ro split the nukes and things like the space program, maybe Canaveral and/or Houston are leased to DC like Baikonur is to Russia by Kazakhstan. It could work and result in places where people would feel more comfortable living ideologically and patriotically.

 

[Betonhaus]

But a peaceful national divorce could be possible and result in two countries that are economically viable. You'd have ro split the nukes and things like the space program, maybe Canaveral and/or Houston are leased to DC like Baikonur is to Russia by Kazakhstan. It could work and result in places where people would feel more comfortable living ideologically and patriotically.

You're talking about a national divorce between two societies that are effectively polar opposites of each other, with one actively hating the other and wishing it gone. Even ignoring several potential problems, the liberal states will be divorced from the breadbasket states and will not be able to feed their bughives. What's going to happen when New York and Los Angelas runs out of food? They'll just drift out like vagabonds that loot and pillage villages and towns.

 

[Frostnipped Todger]

Not to mention a civil war doesn't *have* to happen. If Trump loses and Texas secedes (which is I think a likely timeline, just as the South waited til after Lincoln's election), and other states join them, the US could theoretically make like Elsa and Let Them Go.

While the official position of the US government is that secession is illegal, they don't have to defend it with force. A lot of leftists would prefer to let the MAGAchud racist sexist sciencedenying homotransphobes fuck off to their dumb flyover states to purge the enlightened cities of wrongthinkers and create Soytopia, home of the Right Side of History.

The problem is a lot of leftists would also prefer to impose their ideology by force and re-education and seethe at the idea of anyone getting away to think freely, so they would demand Civil War II. And to be fair a lot of Fudds and LARPers would chomp at the bit to take The Day of the Rope on the road and teach those niggerlovers a permanent lesson.

But a peaceful national divorce could be possible and result in two countries that are economically viable. You'd have ro split the nukes and things like the space program, maybe Canaveral and/or Houston are leased to DC like Baikonur is to Russia by Kazakhstan. It could work and result in places where people would feel more comfortable living ideologically and patriotically.

It would be the best solution, I just hope that the coastal elites cam let everyone else go.

 

[Betonhaus]

It would be the best solution, I just hope that the coastal elites cam let everyone else go.

Really? Name one time they admitted defeat without a lot of pain and anguish required.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

You're talking about a national divorce between two societies that are effectively polar opposites of each other, with one actively hating the other and wishing it gone. Even ignoring several potential problems, the liberal states will be divorced from the breadbasket states and will not be able to feed their bughives. What's going to happen when New York and Los Angelas runs out of food? They'll just drift out like vagabonds that loot and pillage villages and towns.

This isn't a situation where just the cities are their own islands, like Exarchate Italy, but a division on state lines. States like NY and CA have plenty of arable farmland, and a WokeSA would presumably include places like Vermont, Kentucky, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, etc. And they can import food. If the two countries can maintain peaceful relations, they can trade. It wasn't too long after the Revolution that the US and England were trading again.

It would be in the interests of both countries for them to each be viable nations, to avoid war.

 

[Breadbassket]

This isn't a situation where just the cities are their own islands, like Exarchate Italy, but a division on state lines. States like NY and CA have plenty of arable farmland, and a WokeSA would presumably include places like Vermont, Kentucky, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, etc. And they can import food. If the two countries can maintain peaceful relations, they can trade. It wasn't too long after the Revolution that the US and England were trading again.

It would be in the interests of both countries for them to each be viable nations, to avoid war.

Peace would be ideal but considering current levels of polarization and history when it comes to American secession, conflict would appear more likely unless the federal government willingly accepts a loss of territory, tax base and prestige. The last attempt at such a thing was theoretically supposed to happen without a fight but we know how that went.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

A liberal will kill you for not believing like they do if they think they can get away with it or have the state do it for them.

They want you and your sons dead, your wife and daughters raped, and they think it's funny.

IF the US split up, it would last right up until the liberals didn't get what they wanted, which is the red states basically being defacto slaves, for them to demand drone strikes and a remerger of the nation.

They don't want a peaceful solution.

They want you dead.

 

[Betonhaus]

A liberal will kill you for not believing like they do if they think they can get away with it or have the state do it for them.

They want you and your sons dead, your wife and daughters raped, and they think it's funny.

IF the US split up, it would last right up until the liberals didn't get what they wanted, which is the red states basically being defacto slaves, for them to demand drone strikes and a remerger of the nation.

They don't want a peaceful solution.

They want you dead.

The liberals have completely lost the capacity of cooperating with people they disagree with. They believe that the only agreement they will accept is one that heavily favors them. They show that with their rather insulting "peace offer" with Russia and they show it with their willingness to leave their allies in the cold just to go after their political enemies. It's only when they recognize that they are the weaker party that they would even consider a fair negotiation.

 

[ShitLurker]

This isn't a situation where just the cities are their own islands, like Exarchate Italy, but a division on state lines. States like NY and CA have plenty of arable farmland

Pretty big assumption there that the rural members would like to stick with the bughives that ruined their states.

Thing is the national divorce is all of the american landmass and beacons of filth hyper consentrated in macro cities spread all over the place.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

Pretty big assumption there that the rural members would like to stick with the bughives that ruined their states.

Thing is the national divorce is all of the american landmass and beacons of filth hyper consentrated in macro cities spread all over the place.

As someone who lives in a red rural area of a blue state I would hate to have to give up my home in an area my family has lived on for years to move to Kermit, TX, but I'd rather do that or say "No bro, I'm good, don't start a war to liberate me!"if a Two State solution was peacefully possible.

As I said in my first post about it, there are definitely people on both sides who would gladly go to war to forcibly bring the dissenters into a full union. I'm saying it is theoretically possible to split the US without war.

A liberal will kill you for not believing like they do if they think they can get away with it or have the state do it for them.

They want you and your sons dead, your wife and daughters raped, and they think it's funny.

IF the US split up, it would last right up until the liberals didn't get what they wanted, which is the red states basically being defacto slaves, for them to demand drone strikes and a remerger of the nation.

They don't want a peaceful solution.

They want you dead.

So basically the option is what, preemptive total extermination of all liberals? Eradicating them like Isreal wants to with Hamas? We might as well just give each side half the nukes and let 'er rip.

I mean, you're right about the way a lot of them think and I said as much, but I'm just trying to imagine a way out without total war.

 

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A liberal will kill you for not believing like they do if they think they can get away with it or have the state do it for them.

They want you and your sons dead, your wife and daughters raped, and they think it's funny.

IF the US split up, it would last right up until the liberals didn't get what they wanted, which is the red states basically being defacto slaves, for them to demand drone strikes and a remerger of the nation.

They don't want a peaceful solution.

They want you dead.

You're right, but there's another aspect to it. Leftist policies are reliant on being subsidized by an underclass. Always have been.

We pay most of NATO so Europe can instead pay for socialist policies. If the EU member nations were paying their fair share, they couldn't be handing out billions in gibs to poor sad brown people.

Big blue cities rely on small red cities' tax income to fund Big Blue City Policies.

Blue states rely on Red states.

California takes all the water it can get from every state within a several state radius, despite being on the fucking coast, because desalination plants are icky and telling Almond farmers no is just so difficult.

Texas was ALWAYS supposed to take on infinite wetback works so New York leftists could wank themselves silly about how they're destroying America, slowly so the dumb Americans won't notice.

They CAN'T let their "flyover states" leave, because they need the flyover states' tax income to fund their shitty policies. (And they need the bodies from the flyover states' families to throw at whatever nation building bullshit they want to do in the rest of the world.)

The second the left is faced with the choice between "lets cut back our spending and re-evaluate our beliefs and policies" or "lets just kill the Red states' leadership and replace them with our own" they'll have drones in the air before the guy suggesting the former lands in the gulag.

 

[ZMOT]

If the EU member nations were paying their fair share, they couldn't be handing out billions in gibs to poor sad brown people.

you still make the mistake of applying rational logic to greedy retards. yes, inevitably they'd have to change course in their spending and politics, just like the US bughives, but that's not gonna happen without shit going off the rails first.
remember the EU migrant crisis was 2015, nine fucking years ago. plenty of people back then pointed out someone has to pay for it. or all the fucking corona shit. if there is no money TPTB just gonna print more or go into more debt, not start to act rational. as long as politicians can kick the can down they road, they will, until it doesn't work anymore, which is usually the point it's much too late already. it's like /biz/-bros playing hot potato so they don't have to hold the bag when the bogdanoffs make the call.

it's not a blackpill, but humans are retarded. what else would you call it when they see shit coming a mile away and still decide to run headfirst into a wall? in that regard shit has to hit the fan inevitably so even the biggest retards has a reason to go "oops" or get it's comeuppance, and maybe learn something from it. but probably not...

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

You're talking about a national divorce between two societies that are effectively polar opposites of each other, with one actively hating the other and wishing it gone. Even ignoring several potential problems, the liberal states will be divorced from the breadbasket states and will not be able to feed their bughives. What's going to happen when New York and Los Angelas runs out of food? They'll just drift out like vagabonds that loot and pillage villages and towns.

Don't forget Upstate New York and anything outside of New York City hates New York City so basically you wouldn't have these continuous blue countries you'd have a few tiny city-states like New York and LA
They get nothing the left should be happy that they're not being sent to labor camps but I fully support that though they will be sent to re-education camps where the talk to love this country and the Constitution and if they don't well work sets the Mind free

 

[AnotherPleb]

A liberal will kill you for not believing like they do if they think they can get away with it or have the state do it for them.

They want you and your sons dead, your wife and daughters raped, and they think it's funny.

Whoa there, Uncle Johnny, it's Current Year! They want to rape and transition the sons first.

 

[ShitLurker]

As someone who lives in a red rural area of a blue state I would hate to have to give up my home in an area my family has lived on for years to move to Kermit, TX, but I'd rather do that or say "No bro, I'm good, don't start a war to liberate me!"if a Two State solution was peacefully possible.

As I said in my first post about it, there are definitely people on both sides who would gladly go to war to forcibly bring the dissenters into a full union. I'm saying it is theoretically possible to split the US without war

God bless your kind soul, but that thinking is what will fuck you over. You can never have empathy/simpathy for a group that will never reciprocate. The reason the "right" is constantly eating shit is that they see the other side as misguided while the "left" sees you at best as a dinosaur that should die off without obstructing progress and at worst that should be eliminated now.

Till the right as a whole doesn't start treating the left like the rabbid dogs they are, shit will keep going down. You cannot work with a collective that will change language at the drop of a hat for their convenieñce.

They don't care about law, they care about what they percieve as fair. They are the sort of cunts that will ask for speed limits but will complain tomorrow when they break it because they were super busy or because they were a minority. So it was fine for them to break it, and only them.

Also, you have to understand that rural America has the real practical power. Why? They only have their bug hives, you stop interacting with the bughives following standard siege tactics and they are dead. Period. No capacity to produce food of their own, no circus to keep the niggers from chimping out when energy is cut there. You can very much imagine how things would devolve. What do the bug hives give you in your small city or town?

The only reason this doesn't happen is the right is not willing to push as far as necessary, the left is very willing to push to breaking point.

 

[Sithis]

They don't want a peaceful solution.

They want you dead.

That is something I increasingly find I have in common with them.
Any talk of a peaceful divorce is pure rainbows imo. At a certain point it's better to just rip the band-aid off, I'd rather things just go back to the way they were but that will never happen. But the only way we'll ever see any semblance of life as it was again is if there is a significant reduction of people holding Marxist views that are incompatible with that lifestyle. Some of these people may be able to be saved from their brainwashing but we need to stop shying away from embracing what will likely be required to remove the tumor from the body and let America heal.

 

[Not A Bunny]

The problem is a lot of leftists would also prefer to impose their ideology by force and re-education and seethe at the idea of anyone getting away to think freely,

I've long thought that a lot of people who virtue signal (and no, I'm not even talking about just the left) enjoy it when people agree with them, but enjoy it more when people don't.

I mean, it's nice when people just roll over and agree with you, but it's a whole lot more fun when you get to publicly humiliate someone because you get to demonstrate how superior you are.

The only reason this doesn't happen is the right is not willing to push as far as necessary, the left is very willing to push to breaking point.

The right in this country is so lacking in spine, it's a wonder that anyone who calls themselves "right" or "right-leaning" have the skeletal structure to stand up on their own power.