Police shootings in Murrkuh and BLM protests: The thread. - It was a good thread, it dindu nuffin

Since it seems like this shit has been happening at least several times a week now for the past month, and separate threads have pretty much dominated this board for the majority of it, I feel it's time for a centralized thread on this sort of thing (apologies if someone already did this. If so, feel free to merge this thread with that one).

Up next on the plate, Chiraq has the potential to be dealing with more riots and unrest as footage from the police shooting of Paul O'Neal was released earlier today. Obviously, BLM has been all over this like flies on a dead carcass since the policeman apparently violated police protocol during the arrest. The only problems were that Paul O'Neal was being investigated for allegedly stealing a car (he was an 18-year-old in a Jaguar. Unless his parents were loaded, he doesn't have the equity or cash to buy one of those), he immediately sped away from police, crashed the car, and then fled the scene on foot before police shot at him.

Do I believe that police needed to shoot at him? Probably not. Did they have probable cause to suspect that he was committing a crime? Unfortunately, yes. This, to me, is just another case of BLM siding with a thug committing a crime instead of the hundreds people in Chiraq who are adversely affected by gang violence in the city.

On the other side of the pond, BLM protests in the UK blocked roadways and shut down airports and tram systems in Heathrow, Birmingham and Nottingham in protest of the five-year anniversary of the death of Mark Duggan, a man who was lawfully killed by police for planning a violent retalitory crime, was carrying a weapon and was an alleged drug dealer. What a saint, amirite?

This is the kind of shit I cannot stand, regardless of motive or cause. How many lives are you potentially risking with this kind of shit. What about emergency personnel? Good luck getting these people to move, especially if you're a firefighter or paramedic.

So yes, this isn't going to be over any time soon. Current year, indeed.

 

[Brandobaris]

I'm curious is everything you say incredibly stupid?

Go to my thread if you feel like sperging out at me.

 

[BillRiley]

I'm curious is everything you say incredibly stupid?

It's more wishful thinking really. And stupid, of course. But mostly daydreaming.

 

[Male Idiot]

If things continue to be inflamed this way, I wonder what will happen? Would Obama declare a state of emergency and martial law if BLM got too cray cray? Or would he only do that once civilians and cops started shooting BLM members en-masse, and then decree that White supremacists had become a clear problem in the country targetting BLM members? Oh well, hopefully it will just die down.

They'll just shit themselves and do nothing, letting the rioters run wild. And if our pet lizard will get her victory, she will do the same.

 

[Steve Mayers]

The cop involved in the Tulsa shooting has been charged with manslaughter.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...rney-charges-officer-shelby-n652856?cid=sm_fb

 

[Marvin]

It's actually even less than that because they're specifically protesting deaths by white cops not whites overall.

They're protesting deaths by cops in general.

 

[AnOminous]

Protesting police brutality apparently means looting the Charlotte Hornets team store, the NASCAR Hall of Fame, CATS transit buses, a local WalMart, a Buffalo Wild Wings restaurant and a Westin Hotel.

Well done, guys. Way to take control of your communities.

Way to show you aren't a bunch of criminals who probably should be shot.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

They're protesting deaths by cops in general.

Almost of all of the deaths they cite are examples of officers defending themselves or others from a potential threat. Whether that threat was real or imagined at the time is irrelevant, because hesitating even a handful of seconds is a potentially fatal decision. The fact so many people think our public servants should put their lives even further on the line just on the off-chance the dindu really did nothing completely disgusts me.

Going for your center console or jamming your hand into your pocket for your wallet, or pulling out a fucking BB gun and waving it around is a colossally stupid idea.

 

[Marvin]

Almost of all of the deaths they cite are examples of officers defending themselves or others from a potential threat.

That's what's in dispute.

 

[Ruin]

That's what's in dispute.

Having videos of morons pointing guns at cops is ambiguous in your world?

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

That's what's in dispute.

The only thing really in dispute is if the situations could have been resolved before reaching a point where the officer felt his life was threatened.

Which I do admit many could, but we're dealing with two major problems right now. The first is police departments are not training their guys as well as they used to, mostly because of factors like shit pay and city governments which care more about becoming the administration famous for being "Tough on Cops". The other is cops are just naturally more skittish now, what with shit like Dallas going on and the fact more people hate them than ever because groups like BLM going around spreading the false narrative that police want to murder blacks, women, prostitutes, etc.

 

[KingGeedorah]

The cop involved in the Tulsa shooting has been charged with manslaughter.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...rney-charges-officer-shelby-n652856?cid=sm_fb

Solid. Was going to see if this was posted. Ty mang.

 

[Marvin]

The only thing really in dispute is if the situations could have been resolved before reaching a point where the officer felt his life was threatened.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you're suggesting that almost all of the time, when a police officer shoots someone, they felt threatened. And that, in the immediate context, that feeling was justified.

I haven't seen anything to convince me that that's the case. I mean, there's justified fear and there's unjustified fear. They're both understandable human emotions. People panic. And sure, training can help reduce panic, but it can't eliminate it entirely.

Claiming that actions based on irrational fear don't happen with cops is a problem. It's denial. I've definitely read about situations where a cop shot someone that was a result of blind, irrational panic. That's something that should be addressed.

It's that "trust me" attitude that bothers me. I want transparency, and the police here fight it tooth and claw. I'd be a lot less opinionated on these issues if the police union here wasn't fighting things like civilian investigation boards.

The first is police departments are not training their guys as well as they used to, mostly because of factors like shit pay and city governments which care more about becoming the administration famous for being "Tough on Cops".

Pay should definitely be increased, as well as training. Policing should be a well compensated career that requires talent. Not, y'know, slightly smarter mallcops being paid minimum wage to harass ghetto people.

The other is cops are just naturally more skittish now, what with shit like Dallas going on and the fact more people hate them than ever because groups like BLM going around spreading the false narrative that police want to murder blacks, women, prostitutes, etc.

I guess?

I don't know. I've never encountered BLM groups IRL*. I've had many more dealings with the police. They piss away city funds with their fuckups. And then they resist attempts by the taxpayers to probe into why they're fucking up.

They have political bodies (their union) that do this. At that point, I can't just chalk up police fuckups to "that's just how the system is" or "they're just caught up in it". They're no longer innocent bystanders at that point.

If anything could make me sympathize with BLM (which I don't), it's the behavior (and positions) of the police union.

It's a race to the bottom between the two.

* Although I have been assaulted by Black Hebrew nationalists before...

 

[Krispum Western Chumbler]

Although I have been assaulted by Black Hebrew nationalists before...

They are a bizarre group. Briefly tell us what happened if at all interesting.

 

[Marvin]

They are a bizarre group. Briefly tell us what happened if at all interesting.

Not interesting. I tried to film them and they shoved me. Broke my glasses.

 

[Cosmos]

My criminology professor said something that really resonated with me today: "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6." In other words, it's better to just get arrested than to try to resist because you're probably gonna get shot.

A lot of these police shootings are less about "the white man shooting black people for no reason" and more about "dumb criminal resists arrest."

 

[LiveFromNS]

This guy is Periscoping now. The title of his stream is "BLM IS RACIST Charlotte riots are stupid!!!"
https://twitter.com/woodslasher49/status/779095103281389568

 

[Caesare]

In my experience I found Southerners are, as a whole, less racist than Yankees. Yeah you get more instances of direct racism but it's isolated in hate groups and individuals.

Go to Massachusetts or New York, and you find the entire culture oozes with soft racism. For all their talk about diversity, Northern liberals get awfully squirrelly when a black man shows up.

That is absolutely true. People seem to conveniently forget that most of the blacks in the USA live down South, and that the different groups have been living and working together for hundreds of years. Even in the days of Jim Crow and Slavery, whites down South were more comfortable around them than people up North and out West, because of the familiarity and rapport from living in such close proximity. They like to talk that shit up North, but as soon as one moves in, there goes the neighborhood.

That's why the idea that people talk about as "white guilt" is so mysterious to me, because it's always some snowflake from up North or in someplace like California or Seattle who feels the need to "speak up for" and "defend" black people, and I'm talking about grown fucking men and women who these condescending pricks feel the need to "stick up for". To me, that phony "concern" and that paternalistic, "I know what's better for you than even you do" attitude that these people have is far more dangerous and downright racist than some hick who cracks controversial jokes while drunk with his dumb buddies and calls Obama's wife a gorilla, or some other corny ass joke.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

That is absolutely true. People seem to conveniently forget that most of the blacks in the USA live down South, and that the different groups have been living and working together for hundreds of years. Even in the days of Jim Crow and Slavery, whites down South were more comfortable around them than people up North and out West, because of the familiarity and rapport from living in such close proximity. They like to talk that shit up North, but as soon as one moves in, there goes the neighborhood.

That's why the idea that people talk about as "white guilt" is so mysterious to me, because it's always some snowflake from up North or in someplace like California or Seattle who feels the need to "speak up for" and "defend" black people, and I'm talking about grown fucking men and women who these condescending pricks feel the need to "stick up for". To me, that phony "concern" and that paternalistic, "I know what's better for you than even you do" attitude that these people have is far more dangerous and downright racist than some hick who cracks controversial jokes while drunk with his dumb buddies and calls Obama's wife a gorilla, or some other corny ass joke.

I went to a party in Oakland where the guests were some black filmmakers who made a documentary about cleaning up the neighborhood. Stuff like youth outreach, working with police, and teaching kids gangsters are not people to emulate.

Cue some blonde hipster with a stupid haircut all but saying these guys were a credit to their race.

 

[Marvin]

My criminology professor said something that really resonated with me today: "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6." In other words, it's better to just get arrested than to try to resist because you're probably gonna get shot.

A lot of these police shootings are less about "the white man shooting black people for no reason" and more about "dumb criminal resists arrest."

Isn't that a really reductive way to describe it?

I mean, if you (you personally) evaluated some of the anti-cop arguments in good faith, you wouldn't say that they're literally claiming there's zero reason for the person to get shot, would you? They could look over the sequence of events and pick out why the cop acted the way they did.

Also, isn't there a huge moral issue when you connect "resisting arrest" with a lethal shooting? Like, you say "... because you're probably gonna get shot." Isn't that horribly fucked up to treat that as such an ordinary thing? If you don't follow the cop's directions to the fucking T, you might get shot and it's (more likely than not) going to be judged justified?

Like shit, if we applied those standards to airports, I deserve to have been shot several times by this point in my life. Hell, it'd be even more justified, because of terrorism. Like, if people's family members started getting shot at airports, it wouldn't last two weeks before everyone would be up in arms and tons of people would be fired, and there'd be jail sentences and shit.

That is absolutely true. People seem to conveniently forget that most of the blacks in the USA live down South, and that the different groups have been living and working together for hundreds of years. Even in the days of Jim Crow and Slavery, whites down South were more comfortable around them than people up North and out West, because of the familiarity and rapport from living in such close proximity.

I always interpreted that as something of a caste structure. That is, I never saw southern racism as hating black people, as long as they knew their place in society. It's like being friendly to the servants.

 

[Caesare]

I always interpreted that as something of a caste structure. That is, I never saw southern racism as hating black people, as long as they knew their place in society. It's like being friendly to the servants.

That makes a certain amount of good sense. But imo having a comfort and a familiarity with one another made it much easier for Southerners to adapt to our modern sensibilities of civil rights than many other Americans, who seem to still struggle with it, hence the attitude of the white ultra sensitive, sjw type who never even went to school or lived near a black person yet wants to tell other people how they should talk and feel about racial issues.