Police shootings in Murrkuh and BLM protests: The thread. - It was a good thread, it dindu nuffin

Since it seems like this shit has been happening at least several times a week now for the past month, and separate threads have pretty much dominated this board for the majority of it, I feel it's time for a centralized thread on this sort of thing (apologies if someone already did this. If so, feel free to merge this thread with that one).

Up next on the plate, Chiraq has the potential to be dealing with more riots and unrest as footage from the police shooting of Paul O'Neal was released earlier today. Obviously, BLM has been all over this like flies on a dead carcass since the policeman apparently violated police protocol during the arrest. The only problems were that Paul O'Neal was being investigated for allegedly stealing a car (he was an 18-year-old in a Jaguar. Unless his parents were loaded, he doesn't have the equity or cash to buy one of those), he immediately sped away from police, crashed the car, and then fled the scene on foot before police shot at him.

Do I believe that police needed to shoot at him? Probably not. Did they have probable cause to suspect that he was committing a crime? Unfortunately, yes. This, to me, is just another case of BLM siding with a thug committing a crime instead of the hundreds people in Chiraq who are adversely affected by gang violence in the city.

On the other side of the pond, BLM protests in the UK blocked roadways and shut down airports and tram systems in Heathrow, Birmingham and Nottingham in protest of the five-year anniversary of the death of Mark Duggan, a man who was lawfully killed by police for planning a violent retalitory crime, was carrying a weapon and was an alleged drug dealer. What a saint, amirite?

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This is the kind of shit I cannot stand, regardless of motive or cause. How many lives are you potentially risking with this kind of shit. What about emergency personnel? Good luck getting these people to move, especially if you're a firefighter or paramedic.

So yes, this isn't going to be over any time soon. Current year, indeed.
 

The Rocket-Surgery Braintrust said:
3. THE DEFUNDING OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
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Also...
9. COMMUNITY CONTROL OF THE POLICE, STARTING WITH THE CREATION OF A CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT BOARD THAT HAS THE POWER TO HIRE AND FIRE OFFICERS, DETERMINE DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS AS WELL AS DICTATE POLICE POLICIES, PRIORITIES, AND BUDGETS.

You already have that exact thing. It's called a city council.
 
Yes, because allowing black people to govern and enforce justice on themselves has always been successful in the United States. Why not just say "white people go away" while you're at it?

And several of those demands just state "give us money" and "fuck the police".
 
Yes, because allowing black people to govern and enforce justice on themselves has always been successful in the United States. Why not just say "white people go away" while you're at it?

And several of those demands just state "give us money" and "fuck the police".
Just writing the lyrics to "Fuck Tha Police" would have been a more respectable list of demands.
 
idiots said:
9. COMMUNITY CONTROL OF THE POLICE, STARTING WITH THE CREATION OF A CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT BOARD THAT HAS THE POWER TO HIRE AND FIRE OFFICERS, DETERMINE DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS AS WELL AS DICTATE POLICE POLICIES, PRIORITIES, AND BUDGETS. THE BOARD SHALL NOT INCLUDE POLICE REPRESENTATION AND WILL BE CONTROLLED BY COMMUNITIES MOST IMPACTED BY POLICING AND INCARCERATION IN CHARLOTTE.

Hey guys, so lets create a hospital, ran by the patients, who can hire, fire, and punish doctors at a whim! Also the doctors can't and won't have a say in anything and must bend to the will of every demand their patients! Won't it be great!?
 
Hey guys, so lets create a hospital, ran by the patients, who can hire, fire, and punish doctors at a whim! Also the doctors can't and won't have a say in anything and must bend to the will of every demand their patients! Won't it be great!?

What's even better is they explicitly state this board wouldn't have equal representation of Charlotte's residences. It would literally be run by political activists from ghetto neighborhoods.
 
What's even better is they explicitly state this board wouldn't have equal representation of Charlotte's residences. It would literally be run by political activists from ghetto neighborhoods.

Even more specifically it would be ran by the criminals themselves. Get arrested for five counts of 1st degree murder, possession of illegal fire-arms, drug dealing, drug possession, and gang violence? Congrats, you're now the chair of the board.
 
I really don't think they are on edge that much. To put it another way: if a cop admitted to me that he's reading the newspaper about BLM shit, and it's got him shaking in his boots to the point where it's going to affect his performance on the job, then he's a shitty cop. I don't know how else to put it.
I agree with a lot of what else you said in this post, but I don't think you thought this through.

Imagine you are a cop. It's your job today to go into the projects and round up crack heads. These crack heads have guns and knives and shit, which makes things a little tense now on top of that you have thousands of people across the country who want you dead, who think you are scum when you are just trying to protect them. And if you kill any of them, even if you are completely justified to do so, you will be a pariah with your name in every paper and on every tv. And what's more, now every crack head feels a little more antagonistic towards your presence, a little less wiling to cooperate, a little more likely to pull something. If they kill you, a not insignificant amount of people across the country will actually straight up cheer for it, because you're a scumbag cop. You don't think that would put you on edge?
 
This is why not having a spokesperson/leadership is a bad thing. It's just OWS. Insane demands that are going to go into the trash.
I worry its going to end up like OWS with more instances of sexual harassment or even assault due to lack of a police presence, and lack of people policing each other. It bothers me that apparently just being against the police can excuse some toxic behavior, and that some people seem content to just look the other way while seriously fucked up shit happens.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/24/us/charlotte-keith-scott-shooting-video.html

This video is crazy. This is the wife of the guy in Charlotte who got shot, and she has the strangest reaction to watching her husband get gunned down right in front of her. She acts like it's all just an inconvenience. Her tone never changes, there's no screaming, no grief, no panic... It's like she's locked in "Sassy-Black-Woman/Oh-no-you-din'nt!" mode the entire time.

However, the video is pretty damning for her cause. It's clear she's telling her husband, "Keith, don't do it," after officers tell him to drop the gun. They tell him to drop the gun several times, then she tells him not to do it several times, but apparently whatever it was she was telling him not to do, he did do it, and they shot him for it.
It seems pretty open and shut. Obviously if Keith had a gun, and was not responding to commands, the officers are not just going to stand there and let him do whatever he was planning to do. It seems like a totally justified shooting. On top of everything else, the officer who fired the shots was black. Clearly race was not an issue here.
Yet, there's race riots and protests happening over this.
 
3. THE DEFUNDING OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT (2017 Budget: $246,644,617) AND THE REDIRECTION OF THOSE RESOURCES TO THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITIES (INCLUDING RESOURCES FOR JOBS PROGRAMS, AFFORDABLE QUALITY HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION, HOLISTIC HEALTH AND QUALITY SCHOOLS)

Sooo... we need mo' money fo' dem programms? :story:
4. AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE KILLING OF KEITH L. SCOTT AND AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE CHARLOTTE MECKLENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND A FREEZE ON THE NEARLY 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS AWARDED IN FEDERAL GRANTS ANNUALLY TO THE DEPARTMENT.

7. THE RELEASE OF ALL THE NAMES OF THE OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THE KILLING OF KEITH L. SCOTT TO THE PUBLIC FOLLOWED BY THEIR FIRING, ARREST AND PROSECUTION
Isn't that what's going to happen anyway? Well, concerning the second part: that's going to happen if it turns out something fishy went down.

9. COMMUNITY CONTROL OF THE POLICE, STARTING WITH THE CREATION OF A CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT BOARD THAT HAS THE POWER TO HIRE AND FIRE OFFICERS, DETERMINE DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS AS WELL AS DICTATE POLICE POLICIES, PRIORITIES, AND BUDGETS. THE BOARD SHALL NOT INCLUDE POLICE REPRESENTATION AND WILL BE CONTROLLED BY COMMUNITIES MOST IMPACTED BY POLICING AND INCARCERATION IN CHARLOTTE.

That's a very complicated way of demanding unlimited power over police work...
6. THE IMMEDIATE AND UNCONDITIONAL RELEASE OF ALL THOSE ARRESTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE UPRISING RESULTING FROM THE KILLING OF KEITH L. SCOTT & THE DROPPING OF ALL CHARGES

10. AN END TO THE REPRESSION & TARGETING OF PROTESTORS AND ALL THOSE ENGAGED IN THE CHARLOTTE UPRISING
What a load of crap...

This video is crazy. This is the wife of the guy in Charlotte who got shot, and she has the strangest reaction to watching her husband get gunned down right in front of her. She acts like it's all just an inconvenience. Her tone never changes, there's no screaming, no grief, no panic... It's like she's locked in "Sassy-Black-Woman/Oh-no-you-din'nt!" mode the entire time.
Maybe due to shock? I mean, people don't react rational sometimes when something really bad happens.

But I agree, the way she talks does sound more like someone ruined her carpet or something. But I'd attribute that to shock.
 
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This list of demands is honestly fascinating and shows how broken such a movement is.

Also if anyone called themselves an "uprising" they're kind of painting themselves in a very non-protestor corner there which could easily justify a more hardline governor telling the National Guard to put down anyone protesting... like they did in L.A back in 92.
 
I worry its going to end up like OWS with more instances of sexual harassment or even assault due to lack of a police presence, and lack of people policing each other. It bothers me that apparently just being against the police can excuse some toxic behavior, and that some people seem content to just look the other way while seriously fucked up shit happens.
Of you're involved with these idiots at this point, you kind of deserve to be sexually assaulted.
 
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