Null is out of touch with women

[AgendaPoster]

My fren, we are not living in caveman days. We have sentience, dignity, and the ability to conceive of ourselves and others as more than amoeba-like organisms.

This is a long winded way to say "it's the current year", and it's also mildly patronizing and strawman-y.
I never mentioned cave anything. I like ORDERLY societies. But order that's derived out of data, not out of liberal ideals.
BTW, everything I said is completely accurate and provably TRUE.
My choice is to acknowledge reality even when it disfavors me.

"we hold these truths to be self-evident."

I hope you Americans realize how much of a religious dogmatic text this is.
It's like a 10 yrs old maintaining that Santa is real, regardless of observable reality.
It's also post-modern lunacy in its most obvious form.
"Truth" is subject to scrutiny and critical views. There is no self-evident anything when it comes to the social, cultural realm, just struggle and power relations.
I'm actually shocked about how obviously smart people are so enthusiastically lying to themselves.

 

[Ingmar Aspergman]

Women, amiright

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

This is a long winded way to say "it's the current year",

Naw, mane, I don't roll that way.

and it's also mildly patronizing and strawman-y

Not intended

I never mentioned cave anything

Right, but you go not only to "might is right," but also "might determines morality and correctness." And it is a quote-unquote "caveman" mentality, meaning primitive, elemental. Not condescending if I'm just repeating it back. (And not intended, if it hit that way.)

I like ORDERLY societies. But order that's derived out of data,

I think I've provided more actual data, in general, than 95% of commenters. But I don't think there's data to quantify ineffable values.

not out of liberal ideals.
BTW, everything I said is completely accurate and provably TRUE.

You cannot "prove" that humans don't have innate worth. You can point to how societies/ governments/ people have behaved, sure, but that's very different. I don't look to serial killers to set a moral compass, and I'm pretty sure you're not doing that either.

My choice is to acknowledge reality even when it disfavors me.

Girl, please. You say that as though implying I don't.

Observed behavior isn't the same as immutable qualities.

But I'm curious: how does "men are inherently superior" or "power drives morality/what's good for me is not for thee" disfavor you? Bigger theoretical burden of expectations? Something else? And it hits you personally how?

 

[AgendaPoster]

Right, but you go not only to "might is right," but also "might determines morality and correctness." And it is a quote-unquote "caveman" mentality, meaning primitive, elemental. Not condescending if I'm just repeating it back. (And not intended, if it hit that way.)

Nope. You are completely misreading me. I don't even believe in morality and being "socially correct". What I do believe in is making pragmatic use of social norms, that ideally favor the majority, production, innovation, reproduction and are conducive to social order. But I wouldn't say that is moral. I would just say that it fits what I consider worthy goals for a society, and that's nothing but a worthless opinion, like everyone has. "Might" is of the utmost importance, yes. With the might of nuclear weapons Ukraine would've not been invaded.
Big fish eat small fish. Small fish must find ways. World's highly dangerous.

ineffable values

There's no such thing.

You cannot "prove" that humans don't have innate worth.

I can. Late term abortions show it in clear (I'm not pro-life). There are MILLIONS of people dying of the most idiotic shit that we could work to avoid, NOBODY cares.
Life has no value unless it's SPECIFIC, or related to you. All is subjective. Palestinian life has no value to most Israelis and vice-versa.
World is cruel and savage. You live a sheltered life. You refuse to go down in the gutter and see the struggle and the worthlessness of life.
I am a medic, and I see it every fucking day. Drunken people with rotten limbs. Homelessness. So much horror.
Nobody truly cares. I assure you.

I don't look to serial killers to set a moral compass, and I'm pretty sure you're not doing that either.

I don't look to anyone for a moral compass.

Observed behavior isn't the same as immutable qualities.

There are no immutable qualities.

But I'm curious: how does "men are inherently superior" or "power drives morality/what's good for me is not for thee" disfavor you? Bigger theoretical burden of expectations? Something else? And it hits you personally how?

Men are not inherently superior, they are different from women, in some aspects they exceed female capability. That's all.
Also I was talking in general about recognizing when you are in a weak position, not specifically about males. There was an earlier analogy of my country having to act "womanly" and seek the protection of a "patriarch", this case, the US.

 

[Mr Bunny]

@AgendaPoster no really did you just get done reading starship troopers? Because you're basically paraphrasing all it.

 

[RichardMongler]

Woman are objectively worth more than men. A woman created you. A woman creates your children, nurses them and protects them when they are young. And women in fact creates the entire nation, with their bodies. That's why we men are sent to defend, and women are not. Because they are our families, they are what we are defending.

Of all my issues with feminism, the assumption of male disposability ranks among the highest. Assigning higher worth to women based on temporal material and entirely arbitrary assumptions while negating all other complicating circumstances effectively damns half the population to die on an assumption that may, at best, be only 50% aligned with reality. You or I may have nice families, but that isn't the case for the other portion of the army especially those with no families. If we're talking about military marriages, those tend to be on very shaky ground. In fact, military service tends to wreck families, not build them.

There is nothing inherently more valuable about either men or women. All of it is ideologically based assumptions that do not always conform with reality.

 

[AgendaPoster]

@AgendaPoster no really did you just get done reading starship troopers? Because you're basically paraphrasing all it.

Only saw the movie, was really cheesy IMO, and with bad Americana patriotism inserted in it. Was it supposed to be making fun of fascism or something? I feel it didn't accomplish either fun or glorification, just cheese.
I prefer movies with heroes that have actual inner dialogues and struggles.

 

[Mr Bunny]

Only saw the movie, was really cheesy IMO, and with bad Americana patriotism inserted in it. Was it supposed to be making fun of fascism or something? I feel it didn't accomplish either fun or glorification, just cheese.
I prefer movies with heroes that have actual inner dialogues and struggles.

No, not the movie, the novel, written by Robert A. Heinlein. You would really enjoy it, if you haven't read it.

Spoiler: I even quoted a section of the book earlier in the thread.

User @AgendaPoster channeling the spirit of Robert A. Heinlein in this thread.

"Ah, yes, the `unalienable rights.' Each year someone quotes that magnificent poetry. Life? What `right' to life has a man who is drowning in the Pacific? The ocean will not hearken to his cries.
What `right' to life has a man who must die if he is to save his children? If he chooses to save his own life, does he do so as a matter of `right'? If two men are starving and cannibalism is the only alternative to death, which man's right is `unalienable'? And is it `right'?
As to liberty, the heroes who signed that great document pledged themselves to buy liberty with their lives. Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes. Of all the so-called `natural human rights' that have ever been invented, liberty is least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost.
"The third `right'? -- the `pursuit of happiness'? It is indeed unalienable but it is not a right; it is simply a universal condition which tyrants cannot take away nor patriots restore. Cast me into a dungeon, burn me at the stake, crown me king of kings, I can `pursue happiness' as long as my brain lives -- but neither gods nor saints, wise men nor subtle drugs, can insure that I will catch it."

Spoiler: Would you like to know more?

"There is an old song which asserts "the best things in life are free." Not true! Utterly false! This was the tragic fallacy which brought on the decadence and collapse of the democracies of the twentieth century; those noble experiements failed because the people had been led to believe that they could simply vote for whatever they wanted ... and get it, without toil, without sweat, without tears. Nothing of value is free. Even the breath of life is purchased at birth only through gasping effort and pain.”

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

women be shopping

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

Of all my issues with feminism, the assumption of male disposability ranks among the highest. Assigning higher worth to women based on temporal material and entirely arbitrary assumptions while negating all other complicating circumstances effectively damns half the population to die on an assumption that may, at best, be only 50% aligned with reality. You or I may have nice families, but that isn't the case for the other portion of the army especially those with no families. If we're talking about military marriages, those tend to be on very shaky ground. In fact, military service tends to wreck families, not build them.

There is nothing inherently more valuable about either men or women. All of it is ideologically based assumptions that do not always conform with reality.

Male disposability isn't a feminist assumption, it is biology. More men are born than women out of this principle alone.

There is nothing inherently better about men or women. Just is what it is, bottom text.

 

[Max Free]

Woman are objectively worth more than men. A woman created you. A woman creates your children, nurses them and protects them when they are young. And women in fact creates the entire nation, with their bodies. That's why we men are sent to defend, and women are not. Because they are our families, they are what we are defending.

Women are amazing. You should appreciate them more, and stop whining like a toddler.

Nations that view women like that are demographically on the decline on the entire globe and getting replaced with people from civilizations where women get treated like cattle.

 

[God of Nothing]

Of all my issues with feminism, the assumption of male disposability ranks among the highest. Assigning higher worth to women based on temporal material and entirely arbitrary assumptions while negating all other complicating circumstances effectively damns half the population to die on an assumption that may, at best, be only 50% aligned with reality. You or I may have nice families, but that isn't the case for the other portion of the army especially those with no families. If we're talking about military marriages, those tend to be on very shaky ground. In fact, military service tends to wreck families, not build them.

There is nothing inherently more valuable about either men or women. All of it is ideologically based assumptions that do not always conform with reality.

you're arguing with people who are cherry-picking biological evidence and sexual differences
in other words, you're arguing with a feminist

 

[Cold Root Beer]

Lose weight.
Have sex.

 

[redcent]

I’m in university and I can say based on my anecdotal experience that they are overwhelmingly pozzed. There was a trans demonstration with a rainbow hammer-and-sickle and it was 80% girls and women.

Funny I went to uni and never saw a single protest.

I think protesting at uni is mostly an American thing. Your country is the problem.

 

[AgendaPoster]

No, not the movie, the novel, written by Robert A. Heinlein. You would really enjoy it, if you haven't read it.

Thanks, I'll get hold of it.
I only mentioned those largely American concepts cause I got irritated that people brought them up in a near religious way, as if they are universal truths that cannot be contested.
Suddenly old white patriarchal man no longer bad, suddenly old white male good when they came up with this poetic shit, which was basically a pragmatic way of a new nation to find a justification to separate itself from a dying, aging empire that lacked the vitality to maintain control over its overseas claims.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I like Starship Troops because the only good bug is a dead bug.

Also lol @ gypsies larping as Aryans while looking like a caricature of a witch from an early German children's book. Let's get back to that subject, it's funnier.

 

[derpherp2]

I like Starship Troops because the only good bug is a dead bug.

Also lol @ gypsies larping as Aryans while looking like a caricature of a witch from an early German children's book. Let's get back to that subject, it's funnier.

idk I only see one gypsy here, are there supposed to be more? Is the website being robbed?

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

idk I only see one gypsy here, are there supposed to be more? Is the website being robbed?

Someone earlier brought up the fact that Freya is a gyppo. That explains why I got a sudden urge to hide my wallet while scrolling through this thread.

We're not being robbed, but just in case, check your valuables.

 

[derpherp2]

Someone earlier brought up the fact that Freya is a gyppo. That explains why I got a sudden urge to hide my wallet while scrolling through this thread.

What the fuck is a freya

 

[Fek]

Divisiveness accomplishes no goal worth obtaining.

You don't have to carry on like this, frens.