Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

A lot of uke women look good. This one does not. It genuine looks like a half-passing troon. Is it a troon?
Based japan for not accepting a troon and based doctors for not wanting a troon.

she honestly looks like our beloved dylan mulveyney. something about the mouth I think. Uncanny valley for sure.

 

[Napoleon III]

That said I did initially sympathize with the original Maidan protesters. Corruption has been the bane of Ukrainians and an obstacle to efficiency and prosperity for the average Ukrainian. Shame the original purpose for the protest has been memoryholed.

I sort of blame Putin for this one. Not that he caused Ukraine to be poor and corrupt. But he should have realized the possibility for something like this to happen. Desperate people are easy to manipulate. This is especially true because Ukraine has a lot of old stuff from the Soviet Union and a large population. If Ukraine had been even a little bit less retarded this war would have been much more painful. Putin should have payed a bit more attention and taken some action to either increase influence within Ukraine or improve the economic situation in Ukraine.

Apologies for politisperging, but this is basically the defining feature of Western politics, if not culture, at this point.

It is but it is surprising to see. I know it is happening but every time I see it affects me because of how bad of a decision that is. Even the sheer bizarre spectacle of someone massively retarded being given resources built by extremely capable people is interesting.

 

[Rubick]

I sort of blame Putin for this one. Not that he caused Ukraine to be poor and corrupt. But he should have realized the possibility for something like this to happen. Desperate people are easy to manipulate. This is especially true because Ukraine has a lot of old stuff from the Soviet Union and a large population. If Ukraine had been even a little bit less retarded this war would have been much more painful. Putin should have payed a bit more attention and taken some action to either increase influence within Ukraine or improve the economic situation in Ukraine.

How ?

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

How ?

By offering them more lucrative economic deals than the EU. Oh wait...

 

[geckogoy]

Offer them a lucrative deal they cant refuse

 

[jje100010001]

What are the odds we get a North/South Korea type situation at the end of all this? It's certainly not an ideal one but I don't think any party is interested in having this conflict go on indefinitely that said it would also mean Jewlinsky would need enough humility to sit at a negotiating table.

The problem is that this ultimately is a strategic loss for Russia because the Ukrainian threat is not eliminated.

I sort of blame Putin for this one. Not that he caused Ukraine to be poor and corrupt. But he should have realized the possibility for something like this to happen. Desperate people are easy to manipulate. This is especially true because Ukraine has a lot of old stuff from the Soviet Union and a large population. If Ukraine had been even a little bit less retarded this war would have been much more painful. Putin should have payed a bit more attention and taken some action to either increase influence within Ukraine or improve the economic situation in Ukraine.

Perhaps to this end, the only way to win would have been to have never assembled Ukraine in the first place or developed it to the extent it was. For that I blame the USSR, not Putin.

 

[Napoleon III]

How ?

By offering them more lucrative economic deals than the EU. Oh wait...

Offer them a lucrative deal they cant refuse

The way you do this is you create a massive class of people who are wealthy specifically because of you. This is hard to do in a wealthy country but it is incredibly easy to do in some corrupt shithole like Ukraine. Putin has control over the markets in Russia basically, he could have found some luxury good given it special status using tariffs or something similar and produced it in Ukraine using the profits from that to make a whole bunch of powerful and wealthy people that serve as a giant mass against something like the 2014 Maiden coup. Instead Putin just made sure gas shipments were fine and didn't do much else.

The strategy of making a whole bunch of people wealthy through manipulation of markets is a bit out of Putin's wheelhouse and is more of a western sort of thing. But the giving people a whole bunch of money continuously in order to secure their loyalty strategy is something any halfway decent leader understands. Knowing that he wants to do the latter he reasonably could have stumbled into something like the former.

Perhaps to this end, the only way to win would have been to have never assembled Ukraine in the first place or developed it to the extent it was. For that I blame the USSR, not Putin.

I don't blame Putin for causing the corruption in Ukraine I blame him for not realizing that Ukraine being in the state it was in was going to cause problems down the line. I similarly also blame him for thinking the West could be trusted at all. He should have known better that the State Department is a bunch of murderous serial killers. That is obvious to anyone who pays attention and is blinded by propaganda.

I wouldn't depose him for these mistakes but it is a black mark on his record and something he bears responsibility for. I also, contrary to what western pundits have said, don't think he wanted war at all and it seems to have delayed his plans.

 

[Cold Root Beer]

Apologies for politisperging, but this is basically the defining feature of Western politics, if not culture, at this point.

It's because the west is ruled by Jews (this isn't just anti-semetic sperging, here me out on this one):

Judaism doesn't believe in the concept of Hell (and many don't believe in Heaven as well).

I've personally had Jews tell me IRL that according to the average western Jew's interpretation, if you leave any money unearned, any woman unfucked, etc. that is considered a slight against God for not making the most of your time on Earth. It's a sin not to sin, essentially.

So, that's why so many actions are taken without regard to the long-term consequence. If the action will lead to short term profit, short term benefits, that's all that matters. Whether that's embroiling a war that will earn your defense company subsidiary Trillions, or digging structurally unsound tunnels under NYC.

 

[Napoleon III]

Report about the state of Avdeevka from a Ukrainian Journalist. Interesting to note the things that are missing and the things Ukraine is running out of. Either they have no spare resources or are unwilling to utilize them. This is not just equipment either it includes manpower. Also interesting to note that the SBU is well equipped.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[Michael Wade]

Ukraine has suffered another defeat.

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If what I'm hearing is true that larper is misrepresenting what went down.

I heard she was fucking one of the judges. Don't know if it was the married guy but that's the meme scuttlebutt.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

I know the american federal government is a complete joke at this point but how can this lobotomite be a spokesman for the US State Department with such exquisite speech?

What a fat sanctimonious dumb faggot

 

[make_it_so]

Wow - he's actually doing it.

I hope Tucker doesn't wind up getting fucked by this, he's a voice Americans can ill-afford to lose.

 

[Stasi]

I doubt it will contain anything that people in this thread don't already know but the cope and sneed from western outlets, politicians and NAFOids will be glorious.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

If what I'm hearing is true that larper is misrepresenting what went down.

I heard she was fucking one of the judges. Don't know if it was the married guy but that's the meme scuttlebutt.

The Japs cheat all the time, their culture has a separation between intimacy/serious relationship and sex that's not dissimilar from having mistresses and such in the West, but it going public would be the scandal. It's like Trump and Melania, she's Slovenian, she understand that wealthy and powerful men are going to fuck around if you're not down for it, so long as it doesn't embarrass the family and such. That's personally why I don't believe Trump banged Stormy Daniels but do believe he banged the fuck out of Karen McDougal. One is an embarrassment, the other hasn't made much of an issue of it. Also was a hard 9/soft 10 in her prime, the fake boobs aren't that bad, but they are noticeable.

 

[Mr Bunny]

He should have known better that the State Department is a bunch of murderous serial killers.

He did know that, what he didn't account for was that they're ideological serial killers. Watch any interviews of Putin when he makes fun of western governments doing things that he thinks are stupid, like Germany kneecapping it's energy sector, it never crossed his mind that it was done primarily to satisfy an ideological need and want of true believers in the Green party.

Another example are Neo-cons. Neo-cons are ideological descendants of Trotsky, their hate boner for Russia is motivated purely by ideology.

Putin thought the west was run by idiots who had similar motivations as himself, financial. He never thought he was dealing with the equivalent of religious fanatics who will happily self destruct in the name of the cause.

 

[Betonhaus]

Putin thought the west was run by idiots who had similar motivations as himself, financial. He never thought he was dealing with the equivalent of religious fanatics who will happily self destruct in the name of the cause

People who declare themselves to be atheist always end up finding something to fill the void. These people actively reject any observations or conclusions that their worldview is flawed.

 

[PurpleBurger88]

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[Napoleon III]

Another example are Neo-cons. Neo-cons are ideological descendants of Trotsky, their hate boner for Russia is motivated purely by ideology.

This is true but I don't think they are entirely motivated by pure ideology. If you are a Trotskyist the weird globalist thing is a part of the people that participate within it. You will not succeed unless you destroy everything that is against you. You also gain more power the more countries you manage to accumulate into the giant blob.

Putin thought the west was run by idiots who had similar motivations as himself, financial. He never thought he was dealing with the equivalent of religious fanatics who will happily self destruct in the name of the cause.

I'm not sure this is entirely true either. Germany is absolutely getting destroyed and nearly everyone is getting poorer because of it. However, if you are someone tapped into the State Department's power structure you will be richly rewarded for this.

There are true believers of ideological movements but I think they are mostly in the mid to lower-levels of a given ideological movement.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

If you are a Trotskyist the weird globalist thing is a part of the people that participate within it. You will not succeed unless you destroy everything that is against you. You also gain more power the more countries you manage to accumulate into the giant blob.

They aren't actual Trotskyites, they merely believe that their neocon revolution/struggle is eternal, and that the entire world is destined become neocon; this is the way, in their view. It's a perversion and mockery of Trotsky's beliefs and methods. I think its hard for someone like Putin and others who grew up in the USSR to grasp this because its so ridiculous, and the only counter to it is-you guessed it-is to adapt Stalinism for the modern age and bury the ideological hatchet in the neocon's skulls (I know, I know, couldn't resist).

I'm not sure this is entirely true either. Germany is absolutely getting destroyed and nearly everyone is getting poorer because of it. However, if you are someone tapped into the State Department's power structure you will be richly rewarded for this.

There are true believers of ideological movements but I think they are mostly in the mid to lower-levels of a given ideological movement.

It's always about wealth and power, the only difference is how they go about it. Russia is more willing to use soft power whenever possible, and doesn't really like using force (the interval between 2014 and 2022 is a good example) whereas the US is almost always willing to use force if their preferred method (bribery) doesn't work. However, there is definitely something missing regarding the US and its Ukraine policy; the government's behavior is baffling insofar how counterproductive its been. There seems to be only one explanation that makes sense, and that it's the Ukraine has kompromat on several US politicians and their families. We all know the Ukraine was the preferred playground of the debauched and degenerate (look no father than Hunter) and that our politicians were using their offspring and family members/acquaintances for no show jobs and other schemes. Biden and his family are not the only ones with something to hide, of that I'm convinced. Occam's Razor and all that; it will all come out, eventually.