Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

What are the odds we get a North/South Korea type situation at the end of all this? It's certainly not an ideal one but I don't think any party is interested in having this conflict go on indefinitely that said it would also mean Jewlinsky would need enough humility to sit at a negotiating table.
 
What are the odds we get a North/South Korea type situation at the end of all this? It's certainly not an ideal one but I don't think any party is interested in having this conflict go on indefinitely that said it would also mean Jewlinsky would need enough humility to sit at a negotiating table.
I don't see that. Both sides are publicly committed to a win, and a tie looks bad. Meanwhile Ukraine doesn't have any allies willing to put actual boots on the ground that could potentially thwart Russia's inevitability. NATO castoffs and press gangs can only keep them in the fight for so long.
 
A Japanese newspaper published details of her pursuit of a married Jap doctor. Apparently that's still a scandal in Japan.
A lot of uke women look good. This one does not. It genuine looks like a half-passing troon. Is it a troon?
Based japan for not accepting a troon and based doctors for not wanting a troon.
 
What are the odds we get a North/South Korea type situation at the end of all this? It's certainly not an ideal one but I don't think any party is interested in having this conflict go on indefinitely that said it would also mean Jewlinsky would need enough humility to sit at a negotiating table.
A new European DMZ is how I've thought this would end. I was expecting further west though
 
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Maybe, but how will Ukraine's 4th string pilots in F-16's fare at taking out air defenses
There is a point to this especially since Ukrainian pilots just do not have the time that you need to get good at flying F-16s. And the only ones that have been trained are pilots that speak English.
If they aren't able to strike past Russia's front lines
One of the original missions of the F-16s was go behind lines and strike logistics in the event of a Red Army invasion of Europe. That being said I don't think Ukraine can get much good use out of this. That tactic was only useful against an army that was moving quickly with somewhat dispersed air defense. Besides the fact that Radar has advanced quite a bit in the past 20 years or so.
I think the best Ukraine can hope for is getting some close air support out of them.
I agree which is why I think the F-16 would actually be useful. You either do recon with drones and ensure there is no nearby Air Defense or use an F-16s to hit an air defense to operationally open the skies for a couple hours or so then do a whole bunch of ground support and then run away. That kind of hit and run tactics would be absolutely fantastic for the situation Ukraine is in right now. And nothing runs faster than Jet Aircraft.

But that being said logistical issues, pilot issues and Russian Air defense make this impossible to pull off on a reasonable scale.
I really hope it's not American pilots dropping them off.
That is one of the things that I am somewhat worried about. During the Korean War I knew Soviet pilots flew for North Korea. America could very easily do something similar. NGL if I were a fighter pilot and I got a chance to go do missions in a proxy war I would absolutely take it. That being said this is kind of a special scenario where my nation is being worn as a skinsuit.

What are the odds we get a North/South Korea type situation at the end of all this?
Sort of I think Russia isn't going to annex all of Ukraine and so therefore a new much smaller Ukraine is going to emerge probably out of western Ukraine. However I think that new Ukraine will be a lot more neutral than the current one. Basically no Russians live in Western Ukraine and there are some minority groups that view Russia very positively such as the Rusyns. I would compare the state that will likely emerge to something more like Finland during the cold war.
 
minority groups
The minority groups in the west are the ones that are forced to go to the front to die. Not the elite or the ukranians in Kiev, those guys are immune to "recruiting". It is the minorities in the west that are ethnically cleansed.
I doubt that when there is a cease-fire there will be any love for the Kiev ukes from the people in western ukraine. I rather predict it will be a "lets settle all debts and have people pay their dues" when that happens. That is IF there will still be any minorities left at that stage.

The way to survive in ukinistan is:
Move to Kiev, speak uke without accent. You will be safe.
 
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A lot of uke women look good. This one does not. It genuine looks like a half-passing troon. Is it a troon?
Based japan for not accepting a troon and based doctors for not wanting a troon.

In short there are a couple varieties of Jews because of the Tribal nature of Jewish life means they often look very similar. This is also why there are a lot of people that look like Zelensky.

You will notice the large mouth on that "model" that is a trait for a specific subtype of Jew. This subtype has very mannish looking women for reasons I won't get into. I too thought she was a Troon when I looked at her at first but no she just looks like that.

The minority groups in the west are the ones that are forced to go to the front to die. Not the elite or the ukranians in Kiev, those guys are immune to "recruiting". It is the minorities in the west that are ethnically cleansed.
I doubt that when there is a cease-fire there will be any love for the Kiev ukes from the people in western ukraine. I rather predict it will be a "lets settle all debts and have people pay their dues" when that happens. That is IF there will still be any minorities left at that stage.
You are somewhat right about the Hungarians although I haven't heard anything about the Rusyns. You also can't just destroy an entire ethnic group of like a million people through conscription. I also believe Hungary managed to get Ukraine to stop conscripting so many Hungarians by holding up EU aid.

It has been true that Ukraine likes to send certain ethnic "Ukrainians" to die but they have also sent a lot of Galicians to die as well. The thing about soldiers is that you can conscript people that really don't want to fight but they will fight really terribly and the people that like you will fight well. So the natural response is to send the guys who like you the best to the worst places.
 
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The thing about soldiers is that you can conscript people that really don't want to fight
Two ways to address the issue with "conscript people that really don't want to fight" and motivate the troops:
1, have blocking battalions that shoots anyone that retreats
2, have public executions in front of other recruits that are not "motivated enough". Maybe also put the videos on telegram to reinforce how important it is that you are fully motivated to fight.

At some stage I think villages and small towns in the west will start forming militias and just hunt down and execute the recruiting parties.
 
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Vedant Patel says Russia is faking evidence of Ukrainian POWs shot down on the Il-76
I know the american federal government is a complete joke at this point but how can this lobotomite be a spokesman for the US State Department with such exquisite speech?
Patels are from an Indian caste traditionally associated with hotels/motels, and mostly the worst in the US so they are used to fast talking. Ask anyone who has had to travel in the US and had to stay in motels along the way and you will know what I mean.
 
lol no, the CIA needed no nudging, been at it since 1946
I said that the decision to pull out of the EU deal and look to Russia nudged the CIA into staging the Maiden coup. If the Ukraine was willingly going along with the EU deal and closing out Russia then there would have been no need for a coup and in fact it would have been counter-productive. You either miss my point or somehow think the USA would have still wanted to arrange a coup in a country that was already a willingly bribed ally.
 
I said that the decision to pull out of the EU deal and look to Russia nudged the CIA into staging the Maiden coup. If the Ukraine was willingly going along with the EU deal and closing out Russia then there would have been no need for a coup and in fact it would have been counter-productive. You either miss my point or somehow think the USA would have still wanted to arrange a coup in a country that was already a willingly bribed ally.
Russian deal was to counter EU deal, so it's a moot point to begin with. Ukraine is in sphere of vital interest and that means, every dick, shoved in there will be stomped
 
I said that the decision to pull out of the EU deal and look to Russia nudged the CIA into staging the Maiden coup. If the Ukraine was willingly going along with the EU deal and closing out Russia then there would have been no need for a coup and in fact it would have been counter-productive. You either miss my point or somehow think the USA would have still wanted to arrange a coup in a country that was already a willingly bribed ally.
It's more complicated than "Well, the hoholinos were manipulated and psyopped into a coup!" The 2013 Maidan protests against corruption were not orchestrated by US glowniggers, but they did indeed take them over, to the dismay of the the original protesters. I distinctly remember one of the organizers, close to tears, explaining this in an interview. Nationalist thugs were brought in and snipers that have long since been identified as Georgians used for the express purpose of killing protesters as was the case in Egypt when Mubarak was targeted for removal. The goal was the ouster of Yanukovych, to replaced with someone that would go along with Nuland, by characterizing it as an uprising against tyranny. You know, the usual Soros "color" revolution playbook.

The loans, EU and NATO membership were carrots used to lure hohol plebes into accepting the new narrative-that Yanukovych was merely a Russian puppet-and stop any talk of anti-corruption, because the goal, for the United States, has never been anything but to use the Ukraine as a cudgel and stepping stone into Russia, and the breakup of the Russian Federation to make the exploitation of Russian resources easier to accomplish. Corruption was, and still is, actually essential for the US to accomplish what our oligarchs believe was stolen from them when Putin put an end to their thievery in Russia (as well as putting the brakes on the 2008 Russia/Georgia incident re: Abkhazia/South Ossetia).

tl;dr the US doesn't give a fuck about the Ukraine, the objective was, and always has been, to destroy Russia. The mere mention of NATO and prospect of US military bases inside the Ukraine should have tipped you off. Also, l like said before, a lot of hohol insecurity about always being in Russia's shadow combined with a prospect of EU gibs, in country that's poor compared to their neighbors to the east and west, was a potent motivator for many in accepting Yanukovych's removal and the swing to Banderite rhetoric by their new leaders.

That said I did initially sympathize with the original Maidan protesters. Corruption has been the bane of Ukrainians and an obstacle to efficiency and prosperity for the average Ukrainian. Shame the original purpose for the protest has been memoryholed.
 
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