Except it didn't take "hours upon hours", rare gear or level grinding. They were things I found along the way as I was playing the game and having fun, despite minor annoyances.
God forbid people have to work towards something in a video game and not have the game hold their hand every second of the way.
The same kind of person who says that suddenly needs a game guide when they play an actually hard game that they're not familiar with.
That's because modern SJW writing tries to crowbar that relatability shit because of their asinine, pseudo-academic ideology, when in reality, most people turn to gaming to play as someone who isn't them.
Can you blame them? Identity politics is huge, they think they're chasing what the audience wants. Maybe they are, maybe they're not, but I definitely agree it's too common. Forspoken is basically the embodiment of this idea.
I think using guides is fine, but they just shouldn't be immediately resorted to.
I never once said I could nuke an entire area the first time I found a cliff racers. I just killed them normally at first, which took longer. After some time I had some very basic enchanted items that could fire a spell that killed them. It doesn't take much to kill them. You rabid skyrim fanboys in this thread are just making straw-men arguments and ridiculous assumptions in this thread and it has been completely derailed into something resembling a retarded /v/ thread.
Again, us rabid Skyrim fanboys played more than just Skyrim. Many of us played games like Legend of Zelda and Metroid where the game literally gives zero fucks if you get lost, and you have to figure things out by yourself. Oh, what's that, you want written clues on how to pass this dungeon? Tough luck, kiddo, you'll have to fuck around and find the solution yourself, through good old-fashioned trial and error. At one point, I got stuck in Super Metroid until I exploded a power bomb in an underground glass tunnel and blew it up, creating a new path for me to follow.
It really depends on the quality of the guide and on the player's abilities.
Do you think you're alone in that category? I grew up with various NES, SNES and N64 games (including Metroid and Zelda) and that's why morrowind didn't come across as some mystic cryptic overly complex enigma to even 12 year old me. It really seems like an issue of patience the way people here piss and moan about the flaws of morrowind and blow the complexity of them out of proportion. It's fine if people don't enjoy it, but people here make such disingenuous assumptions about people who are able to enjoy it, despite the flaws.
That's because Morrowind, unlike Zelda and Metroid, is so clunky that you need to know the mechanics just to build a proper character. Meanwhile, games like Zelda, Metroid, and yes, even Skyrim, are easy to pick up and play. Mario Brothers and Halo didn't reach world-wide renown because of complex mechanics, they won such renown because your random jabroni who was probably playing Mortal Kombat or Star Fox prior to that can just pick up those games and play. Morrowind is an acquired taste; there will be those who like it, and those who don't. Skyrim, on the other hand, has an appeal that is near-universal. That's why Nintendo devs didn't give a shit about Morrowind, but Skyrim was the one they tried to copy and acquire.
I beat the water temple through sheer trial and error. All I wanted to do was kill Shadow Link in a fair fight. But again, most Morrowind fags who proclaim that Skyrim is too easy would get lost in the average Zelda dungeon. Hell, I've seen people who badmouth Skyrim for being too streamlined get lost in previous RPGs like Daggerfall.
While I like the first zelda game, I wouldn't describe it as having smooth controls or being very intuitive. The first Metroid I did not enjoy at all. Super Metroid improved everything, and Metroid Prime played very differently to most other games on the market, so if it's clunky or not is a matter of opinion. I had no trouble with it. I got into the series with Prime 2 and went backwards from there and had a great experience despite the controls being unfamiliar and in some ways "clunky" at first.
I didn't manage to hit Dark Link when I first fought him until I wasted a fairy, so I switched to the hammer and for some reason that demolished him. My brother also tried a different approach and used the broken Giant's Knife on him and it worked surprisingly well. Seems he can't handle weapons other than Master Sword very well.
You really hate Morrowind fans, holy shit. You're throwing everything you have at them for liking a video game, take a breather man.
Every time I play Skyrim and I see the moon, I just think "is it just me or is that WAY too big? It feels like it should be fucking with gravity at that distance."
I need to play TekWar still. But I've always had a soft spot for these "lesser" developers and just from screenshots I always liked Witchaven's general vibe. When it comes to Capstone games the only other one I've played is Corridor 7.
Totally agree, in fact trying too hard to be "relatable" can often be kneecapping.
The difference being that those games can easily be picked up and played by your average dork. And the same can be said of other RPGs like Final Fantasy, Paper Mario, KOTOR, or Mass Effect.
Everyone uses the hammer on Dark Link the first time. Dark Link was only programmed to counter the Master Sword. If he was programmed to switch weapons and had the hammer and the giant's knife in his arsenal, you'd be forced to fight him fairly no matter what.
Not really. I mean, if they didn't hate us Skyrim fans with the fiery wrath of a thousand suns, I wouldn't give a wet fart about them. Morrowind, to me, is a decent game with potential, hampered by clunky mechanics and a story that ends before it gets interesting. If they can just admit that instead of acting like it's the Second Coming of Christ while denouncing Skyrim as worse than Satan, there'd be peace.
That was something I knew even before SJWs tried to muscle into people's hobbies. Every time you see a gritty war cartoon or video game try to insert kids in it, it was to try and relate to them, which just made the story silly when the big bad that your story is trying to sell as a threat can't defeat a bunch of kids.
And this often (almost always) comes at the cost of depth for a game. Hence why people who want more depth in their games dislike it. Why does this upset you so much that you have to start projecting and insulting people?
Well, they way you project and throw everything you have at people who enjoy a video game it's no wonder they hate skyrim fans if you're what constitutes an average skyrim fan. I just like morrowind because I find the world interesting and weird, the gameplay fun, the universe and lore cool. I'm not motivated to spite someone because I like the game. I just don't like Skyrim because I feel they removed any depth from the gameplay and the writing is atrocious. There isn't more to it than that.
Not really. Like I said, games like Zelda and Metroid, which had a lot of depth and complexity, can be easily picked up and played. Same thing goes for many other RPGs that I mentioned, such as Final Fantasy, KOTOR, Paper Mario, among others. Morrowind is just one of those games like its predecessor, Daggerfall, which isn't that easy to pick up and master. Unless of course, you already know how it works, then it's as easy as slicing a cake.
That's how you see it. For me, Morrowind's gameplay is shoddy, the worldbuilding and story is meh, and the mechanics are bogus. That's what I see from Morrowind. Skyrim took that, except they had a better story, more fluid gameplay, and streamlined mechanics. The ''depth'' you speak of is surface-level at best. Not something that makes a game more enjoyable.
Is this bait?
Ok, this must be bait. I have many friends who enjoy skyrim, I know tons of people in the modding community who ADORE skyrim, but even then I have never heard anyone say anything positive about the civil war quest, ever. Same with Winterhold.
No. That is my honest opinion. The things that people say make Morrowind better than Skyrim are things that seem rather peripheral or vestigial in terms of gaming. Since this is a gaming thread, that is a legitimate talking point.
The fact that people are still debating which side of the Skyrim Civil War story is right goes to show that it was a good story. Meanwhile, I don't really see anyone debating anything about Morrowind's story or factions; no one really cares about the Empire's effect on Morrowind or whether or not its great houses should follow the Empire's lead or resist its influence upon their native soil. Whereas you can fill entire threads with hundreds of responses on whether or not Ulfric was right about the Empire corrupting Nord culture and weakening their people.
They mob you right from the get-go, and new players aren't going to know shit about enchanting items that can fire spells unless they read a guide or someone told them. Morrowind sucks ass for newcomers largely because of the Cliff Racers.
There are plenty of games with depth that are easy to pick up. Final Fantasy Tactics is the first example that comes to my mind. It's all about starting the player out small, but gradually introducing new things that let them mix and match and create increasingly more complex things as they need them throughout the game. Roguelikes in general are a good example of this, those being games where you will throw yourself and die in the first few levels over and over and over, and you progress by learning how everything works, what all the items do, and in which situations you should use them.
Depth should not come at the cost of enjoying a game. I was easily able to pick up games like KOTOR, Mass Effect, and Final Fantasy because the games weren't a mess at the start. You can easily pick things up, learn it, and play the game well. I sure as hell didn't need hours of stat-building and leveling up just to make Paper Mario 1 and 2 enjoyable. Yet those games still had a good amount of depth and complexity to them.
