Navy SEALs, Delta Force, and SOCOM general - The most "Special" groups in the U.S. Military

[Justtocheck]

I'm sure this reddit janitor will be receiving his medal of honor any day now for keeping such vital information as anonymous sandniggers getting shot out of his shitty sub after it's already been spread onto every Telegram page on Earth and anybody who could possibly gleam any relevant information from it already has a copy.

The fucking hypocrisy is not surprising because it is Reddit and shit, but still it's worth pointing out. They have a gallery with Real names and some faces of Team Six red team members and the amount of confidence they thought were in the raid. Al-Qaeda still exits, and if they have agents in the US, don't you think they might want to get revenge on the killers of UBL or their families, which are soft targets? So why are you putting pics of the real people who you know or suspect were in the raid? That is, if you give a shit about OPSEC and all that jazz.

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1aiydyd

But when there's a leak, and a clear war crime execution in that water pond "NOOOO STALKER CHILD, IT IS TOP SECRET. ONLY MY 450 POUND SELF CAN SEE THESE SECRETINO FILES. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND, WE MUST PLUG THE ASS LEAKAGE OF JSOC WITH OUR TONGUE. ENJOY PRISON IF YOU SHARE THE LEAKS."

Edit: As you may notice, the reddit link does not work. Hello reddit moderators! Good to see you stalk the farms! FYI I don't give one shit about who did or did not go on the Neptune raid, but I didn't expect you to be so fast in DFE that you even messed up my archive. https://archive.is/3T2xP
I was mid-archive as I uploaded this reply, and they got rid of it so fast it ruined it. There was nothing important there. A couple of SEALs we all know (O'Neill, Bisonette) and some randos, so I'm not really upset. Let this be a lesson. Never underestimate the faggotry of a redditor.

 

[Fatniggo1488]

US Special Forces are the gayest shit on Earth and I'm fairly convinced they would do more harm than good in real wars and will eventually be as obsolete as grenadiers. The last thing you need in a war is a bunch of over hyped, coddled faggots with severe mental issues, giant egos and dubious morality going around thinking they're God's gift to warfare and better than everybody else in your army. The culture around this stuff that's been allowed to fester for decades is eventually going to bite them in the ass.

Of all Special Forces groups, there's around 3 or 4 that could be useful in a real war and to do so they would need to cope with giant casualty rates since they'd be up against mildly competent armies. All the gung-ho shit and frankly bizarre and often stupid plans and operations over the years would have folded even against Vietcong level of military competence (and also here's a reminder that the most active Special Forces in Vietnam had a casualty rate of... 100%. Every single soldier got wounded at least once.).

It's really no surprise that all this stuff is a breeding ground for minor lolcows. All of the above combined with the American worship of people who were in the armed forces is a recipe for disaster when you lose all that by becoming a civilian like everybody else. Props to OP for making a thread that's been fun to follow.


I'm sure this reddit janitor will be receiving his medal of honor any day now for keeping such vital information as anonymous sandniggers getting shot out of his shitty sub after it's already been spread onto every Telegram page on Earth and anybody who could possibly gleam any relevant information from it already has a copy.

I've noticed that they tend to get more cowish when they start getting a lot of celebrity operators. That's like early war, you didn't really see too many "out there" special forces dudes, but then once you started getting a bunch of "based on a true story" movies and books and shit it seems like a lot of them wanted attention and became retarded trying to get it.

 

[Justtocheck]

I've noticed that they tend to get more cowish when they start getting a lot of celebrity operators. That's like early war, you didn't really see too many "out there" special forces dudes, but then once you started getting a bunch of "based on a true story" movies and books and shit it seems like a lot of them wanted attention and became retarded trying to get it.

There wasn't also a huge vetbro internet side hussle at the start of the GWOT.

 

[The Foxtrot]

US Special Forces are the gayest shit on Earth and I'm fairly convinced they would do more harm than good in real wars and will eventually be as obsolete as grenadiers. The last thing you need in a war is a bunch of over hyped, coddled faggots with severe mental issues, giant egos and dubious morality going around thinking they're God's gift to warfare and better than everybody else in your army. The culture around this stuff that's been allowed to fester for decades is eventually going to bite them in the ass.

Remind these faggots that the Soviet Alpha/Vympel groups and Spetznaz GRU teams, unlike American SOCOM units, actually proved useful as "Special Forces" in the USSR's military, and are still doing good work as part of the RUAF.

And unlike American SOCOM units, these men are very good at shutting their mouths. We only know that the Soviets in 1968 killed 15 Americans in a FOB (illegally) in Cambodia, destroyed 3 "Super Cobra" attack helicopters, then flew the fourth away intact with only 3 casualties of their own...in less than 20 total minutes because a few of the men involved spoke of their involvement on their deathbeds. Very little details of this operation exist since to this day, neither side officially acknowledges it happened.

That is the type of operation that Special Forces, real Special Forces, carry out. Fast, efficient, deadly, and to accomplish a specific and niche objective in a small timeframe with the utmost secrecy.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I just popped in to add the issue with all these units is fundamentally institutional; a lot of the boomer commanders that formed and managed them had very sketchy military careers in Vietnam which defined the US special forces operational philosophy and behavior.

For example, William Garrison, the general in command of Operation Gothic Serpent and Task Force Ranger, whose actions precipitated the Battle of Mogadishu. Somalia was already well known in the Army as a shit deployment prior to this event so the possibility ops could go south there was a very real possibility. Garrison, the clown in charge, did two tours in Vietnam and actually ran the Phoenix Program, which kidnapped suspected VC for torture and assassination. That's not an accusation, its a fact. Despite congressional hearings, not a single person was tried or suffered any punishment for running a death squad overseas. When the Phoenix Program became publicly known and attracted negative attention the Pentagon had command in Vietnam issue a statement it was legal under Vietnamese law, shut it down and continued operating as Plan F-6 with the South Vietnamese in command until the war ended.

A lot of Vietnamese reported people they didn't like or held a grudges against as suspected VC and of course there was no way to do real vetting so a lot of innocent Vietnamese were abducted and tortured to death. Before anyone waves it away as "Oh that's in the past" keep in mind these units would be let loose to freely operate on American soil if any real insurgency with popular support occurs. That it would be illegal isn't an impediment; never has been.

But a really cool movie was made that showed these guys were just the victims of ogga booga niggers (but no one asks what the fuck we were doing in Somalia fucking around with those same niggers in 1993 to begin with).

The DoD admits to having 400 troops in Somalia right now, which include an undisclosed number of SF operators, because Al-Shabaab. Here's a critical article of our presence in Somalia for the past 30 or so years.

 

[Active User]

Remind these faggots that the Soviet Alpha/Vympel groups and Spetznaz GRU teams, unlike American SOCOM units, actually proved useful as "Special Forces" in the USSR's military, and are still doing good work as part of the RUAF.

And unlike American SOCOM units, these men are very good at shutting their mouths. We only know that the Soviets in 1968 killed 15 Americans in a FOB (illegally) in Cambodia, destroyed 3 "Super Cobra" attack helicopters, then flew the fourth away intact with only 3 casualties of their own...in less than 20 total minutes because a few of the men involved spoke of their involvement on their deathbeds. Very little details of this operation exist since to this day, neither side officially acknowledges it happened.

That is the type of operation that Special Forces, real Special Forces, carry out. Fast, efficient, deadly, and to accomplish a specific and niche objective in a small timeframe with the utmost secrecy.

I'd have to warn against making the Russian special forces out to be so totally removed from issues plaguing the American units, they've got their own history of unpleasant operational failures. The Dubrovka theater crisis, the Beslan school siege, the Budyonnovsk hospital siege, really a lot of incidents during the Chechen wars involving hostages ended up coming to a very messy resolution. It should also be noted that a lot of them end up involved with crime or PMCs like Wagner (who's own share of atrocities are rather well documented) because being Russian doesn't change that there's ultimately not that many jobs that are looking for doorkickers. I'd also have to wonder how much of the supposedly better infosec is due to a language barrier and the state having an easier time influencing the media over there. It's not like there's a dearth of combat footage coming out of the current war in Ukraine, but plenty of people aren't gonna know shit about what they can't find on Wikipedia. They certainly beat SEALs in that regard, but SEALs are weird in actively seeking the publicity instead.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The Dubrovka theater crisis, the Beslan school siege, the Budyonnovsk hospital siege

Those are all domestic incidents, none of those took place on the battlefield. They were always going to have messy outcomes, regardless. But do agree with your observation; men in the special forces field who are utilized often are going to have serious issues, any normal person would. They aren't normal afterward, the problem with ours is that it isn't addressed; however, I have no idea if Russia has any programs to help theirs decompress and function in normal society.

It's an interesting question.

 

[Justtocheck]

They certainly beat SEALs in that regard, but SEALs are weird in actively seeking the publicity instead.

It's not "weird". They are making millions through their side hussles, movies, book deals and consulting. In the book, "Code Over Country" there were reports of equipment procurement corruption, SEALs reported "missing" equipment and even mentioned that in the Captain Philips incident, at one point they gave the Somalis in a bag 30K to appease them before the shootout. Then the SEALs assaulted the boat and mysteriously the 30K "disappeared". They claimed it was "thrown overboard" lol.

 

[The Delta Farce]

It's not "weird". They are making millions through their side hussles, movies, book deals and consulting. In the book, "Code Over Country" there were reports of equipment procurement corruption, SEALs reported "missing" equipment and even mentioned that in the Captain Philips incident, at one point they gave the Somalis in a bag 30K to appease them before the shootout. Then the SEALs assaulted the boat and mysteriously the 30K "disappeared". They claimed it was "thrown overboard" lol.

That reminds me, the second ever article I can find cached about Delta was about more than half of the entire unit at the time being investigated for financial fraud

Delta Force Probe Suspended During Cruise Ship Hijacking/Archive

I believe there are still 2 or 3 videos that have not been found. There is a video of Delta Operators conducting urban training in which several face plant off of a helicopter and one has a white light ND while walking to the building. And there is another that shows a raid in Syria/Iraq and has trophy photos of corpses at the end. It's difficult to describe in words, but they appear quite confused stacking at the door in those videos. It's like "wait, wait, I go there; no wait you go there!"

 

[Justtocheck]

That reminds me, the second ever article I can find cached about Delta was about more than half of the entire unit at the time being investigated for financial fraud

Delta Force Probe Suspended During Cruise Ship Hijacking/Archive

Woha, look at that, it's our old friend William Garrison in his younger years as a Colonel, 8 years before Black Hawk Down. And there are already accusations of fraud.

I believe there are still 2 or 3 videos that have not been found. There is a video of Delta Operators conducting urban training in which several face plant off of a helicopter and one has a white light ND while walking to the building. And there is another that shows a raid in Syria/Iraq and has trophy photos of corpses at the end. It's difficult to describe in words, but they appear quite confused stacking at the door in those videos. It's like "wait, wait, I go there; no wait you go there!"

Welp, eventually they will be found, I think. Nothing seems worse than the first video of the pond killing of the unarmed man was; the hands could be clearly seen, and he was in the water, so no "suicide vest" (if he had one) could have worked. That was a straight-up execution.

I bet that in the past 48 hours, a lot of screaming phone calls, disciplinary actions and career terminations have been happening at Ft. Bragg. Or maybe not, and they don't give a shit because they know they can get away with literal murder. Bragg really is a mystery.

 

[The Delta Farce]

Welp, eventually they will be found, I think. Nothing seems worse than the first video of the pond killing of the unarmed man was; the hands could be clearly seen, and he was in the water, so no "suicide vest" (if he had one) could have worked. That was a straight-up execution.

Even the Conflict Observer discord doesn't have the videos anymore. Since when have mods from so many different sites agreed to take things down at one time? IMO the Army is more worried about people knowing how incompetent they are than any perceptions of war crimes. A certain percentage of the population will still go "hur du hur, dead Muslim".

How the fuck are you struggling to get out of a car without running into each other? A family of four on a grocery run knows how to get out of a car.

 

[Justtocheck]

How the fuck are you struggling to get out of a car without running into each other? A family four on a grocery run knows how to get out of a car.
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I think what's going on is the passenger has something like a hammer to smash the window of the driver side of the car and is rushing to get the job. The dude that got out with the gun got in the way and they bumped. Kinda sloppy, but nothing too bad imo.

The weirdest thing here is the drone that as soon as it stuck to the vehicle, all those letters of "min battery and black box, etc." appeared, and the vehicle came to an immediate halt. It seems Delta has a drone that EMPs your vehicle in some way.

 

[The Delta Farce]

I think what's going on is the passenger has something like a hammer to smash the window of the driver side of the car and is rushing to get the job

In the SEAL Team 6 video they appear to have some sort of glass breaker.

It would be extremely interesting and I assume highly classified if the US had an EMP drone. Imagine being a drone operator sworn to secrecy and you can't resist posting on IG.

 

[Justtocheck]

Garrison, the clown in charge, did two tours in Vietnam and actually ran the Phoenix Program, which kidnapped suspected VC for torture and assassination.

Holy shit, I did not know that, and I read more into that. Here is a Wikipedia excerpt.


Added to the OP. And he was portrayed like quite a nice and moral man in the movie Black Hawk Down.

 

[Finnish Air Force]

SEAL Team 6 Training in Miami.

 

[LeChampion1992]

"If you want to write a book, send a SEAL. If you want somebody dead, send a Ranger." - One of my retired military friends

I also would add this, do you need to secure a position and hold at all costs? Send in the Marines.
Do you need to train a foreign fighting force to kill the enemy then call in the green berets.

 

[The Delta Farce]

"If you want to write a book, send a SEAL. If you want somebody dead, send a Ranger." - One of my retired military friends

Want Pat Tillman dead? Send a Ranger.

Want a hooker dead? Send a Ranger. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...ng-to-shootings-suicide-on-hood-canal-bridge/

Archive

Want a security guard dead? Send a Ranger. https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending...ard-caught-camera/2FOTAFHJD5HEPLJ6QFEWXDZ4X4/

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Want two lesbians dead? Send a Ranger. https://www.armytimes.com/news/your...f-mass-shooting-at-washington-music-festival/

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Want pregnant women dead? Send a Ranger. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Khataba

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[Lord of the Large Pants]

Want Pat Tillman dead? Send a Ranger.

Want a hooker dead? Send a Ranger. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...ng-to-shootings-suicide-on-hood-canal-bridge/

Want a security guard dead? Send a Ranger. https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending...ard-caught-camera/2FOTAFHJD5HEPLJ6QFEWXDZ4X4/

Want two lesbians dead? Send a Ranger. https://www.armytimes.com/news/your...f-mass-shooting-at-washington-music-festival/

Want pregant women dead? Send a Ranger. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Khataba

Based and/or redpilled.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

The 75th is very adamant on fitness. In conventional war, it's a tip of the spear regiment. Navy SEAL are all roided as fuck, I've noticed. I think that due to the mission profile of Green Berets and Deltas, some may get away with having a bit more of a "dad bod", though, I don't know where you've seen those fat GB or Deltas. You have to be VERY fit to get into either one, and the recent Biden Pic with the Deltas showed them to be pretty fit.

Perhaps older people in the regiment, who are part of TOC and don't go into hits, but are part of the command element overeat and have to calm down with the running due to injuries. But tbh, most Deltas and GB I've seen were skinny fit or roided. I've seen two in his late 30 with a dad bod but nothing the Average American would consider fat. If you have pics, share them.

The green berets are totally different way of waging warfare the special operations unit but the main thing they do is go in and work with insurgents groups or local friendly militias they're actually effective anti insurgent groups unlike the overpaid an overhyped Navy seals in delta force
the Navy seals and delta force seem to just go around killing random civilians and committing war crimes

 

[Maginot]

The old manuals are public if you can find the link. Loads of old documents are public access.