Culture A ‘failure to launch’: Why young people are having less sex - For what researchers say is an array of reasons millennials and now Gen Zers are having less sex, with fewer partners, than their parents’ and grandparents.

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(Patrick Hruby / Los Angeles Times)

Vivian Rhodes figured she would eventually have sex.

She was raised in a Christian household in Washington state and thought sex before marriage would be the ultimate rebellion. But then college came and went — and no sex. Even flirting “felt unnatural,” she said.

In her early 20s, she watched someone she followed on Tumblr come out as asexual and realized that’s how she felt: She had yet to develop romantic feelings for anyone, and the physical act of sex just didn’t sound appealing.

“Some people assume this is about shaming other people, and it’s not,” said Rhodes, 28, who works as a certified nursing assistant in Los Angeles. “I’m glad people have fun with it and it works for them. But I think sex is kind of gross. It seems very messy, and it’s vulnerable in a way that I think would be very uncomfortable.”

For what researchers say is an array of reasons — including technology, heavy academic schedules and an overall slower-motion process of growing up — millennials and now Gen Zers are having less sex, with fewer partners, than their parents’ and grandparents’ generations did. The social isolation and transmission scares of the COVID-19 pandemic have no doubt played a role in the shift. But researchers say that’s not the whole story: The “no rush for sex” trend predates the pandemic, according to a solid body of research.

UCLA has been tracking behavioral trends for years through its annual California Health Interview Survey, the largest state health survey in the nation. It includes questions about sexual activity. In 2021, the survey found, the number of young Californians ages 18 to 30 who reported having no sexual partners in the prior year reached a decade high of 38%. In 2011, 22% of young people reported having no sexual partners during the prior year, and the percentage climbed fairly steadily as the decade progressed.

California adults ages 35 to 50 who participated in UCLA’s 2021 survey also registered an increase in abstinence from 2011 to 2021. But with the percentage of “no sex” respondents rising from 9% to 14% during that time frame, the increase was not as pronounced.

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The University of Chicago’s General Social Survey — which has been following shifts in Americans’ behavioral trends for decades — found that 3 in 10 Generation Z males, ages 18 to 25, surveyed in 2021 reported having gone without sex the prior year. One in four Gen Z women also reported having had no sex the prior year, according to Jean Twenge, a San Diego State University psychology professor who reviewed the data for her book “Generations.”

In an age where hook-ups might seem as unlimited as a right swipe on a dating app, it’s easy to assume that Gen Z “should be having the time of their lives sexually,” Twenge said.

But that’s not how it’s playing out. Twenge said the decline has been underway for roughly two decades.

She attributed the slowdown in sexual relations most significantly to what she calls the “slow-life factor.” Young people just aren’t growing up as fast as they once did. They’re delaying big milestones such as getting their driver’s licenses and going to college. And they’re living at home with their parents a lot longer.

“In times and places where people live longer and education takes longer, the whole developmental trajectory slows down,” she said. “And so for teens and young adults, one place that you’re going to notice that is in terms of dating and romantic relationships and sexuality.”

A slight majority of 18- to 30-year-olds — about 52% — reported having one sexual partner in 2021, a decrease from 2020, according to the UCLA survey. The proportion of young adults who reported having two or more sexual partners also declined, from 23% in 2011 to 10% in 2021.

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Though sex was on the decline in the years leading into the pandemic, COVID-19 made dating trickier.

Many people tightened their social circles when the pandemic surged in 2020 and 2021. And young people’s reliance on cellphones and apps for their social interactions only intensified when in-person meet-ups posed a risk of serious illness.

In general, people coming of age in an era of dating apps say the notion of starting a relationship with someone they meet in person — say a chance encounter at a bar or dance club — seems like a piece of nostalgia. Even friendships are increasingly forged over texting and video chats.

“A lot of young people when you talk to them will say their best friends are people they’ve never met,” said Jessica Borelli, a professor of psychological science at UC Irvine. “Sometimes they live across the country or in other countries, and yet they have these very intimate relationships with them. … The in-person interface is not nearly as essential for the development of intimacy as it might be for older people.”

Ivanna Zuniga, 22, who recently graduated from UC Irvine with a degree in psychological sciences, said her peers have largely delayed sex and romance to focus on education and career. Zuniga, who is bisexual, has been with her partner for about four years. But their sex life is sporadic, she said, adding that they hadn’t been intimate in the month leading up to her graduation.

“I’ve been really preoccupied with my studies, and I’m always stressed because of all the things I have going on,” she said. “My libido is always shot, and I don’t really ever think about sex.”

The sexless phenomenon has made its way into pop culture. Gone are the days when meet-cutes in bars leading to one-night stands and sex at college parties were the cornerstone of coupling in films.

In “No Hard Feelings,” released this year, a 32-year-old woman is hired by “helicopter parents” to deflower their shy 19-year-old son. At a party, the woman frantically searching for her date busts open bedroom doors where she expects to find people feverishly tangled in sheets. Instead, she finds teens sitting side by side on a bed, fully clothed, scrolling their phones or playing virtual reality games. Bemused, she yells, “Doesn’t anyone f— anymore?”

While there are practical benefits to waiting to be in a physical relationship, including less risk of sexually transmitted diseases and unplanned pregnancy, Twenge argued that there are also downsides to young people eschewing sex and, more broadly, intimacy. Unhappiness and depression are at all-time highs among young adults, trend lines Twenge ties to the rise of smartphones and social media. And she noted with concern the steady decline in the birth rate.

“It creates the question of whether Social Security can survive,” Twenge said. “Will there be enough young workers to support older people in the system? Will there be enough young workers to take care of older people in nursing homes and in assisted-care facilities?”

Zuniga, who plans to pursue a doctorate in clinical psychology, can’t imagine pausing her education or career to have children, so safe sex is particularly important, she said. Others interviewed said “horror stories” involving friends who contracted herpes or other sexually transmitted infections had turned them off from casual sex.

“I prioritize my studies too much, and I can’t fathom the thought of having my identity as an academic fall secondary to being a mother,” Zuniga said. “Moving out of the income bracket that you’re born into is so hard to do, and a very secure way to do it is through education.”

For Rhodes, not having sex has taken a lot of the pressure off social interactions.

“It lets me relax,” she said. “It’s not that I don’t care about how I look or how I come off to other people. But I have a little extra help caring less about it, because I don’t have to worry about attracting specific kinds of people for specific things.”

And she pushes back against the notion that shying away from sex is some sort of societal problem that needs to be “fixed.” It might even be a sign that young people have more control of their bodies and desires, she said.

“Maybe you don’t have to have sex all the time,” Rhodes said. “Maybe if you’re doing other things in your life, and you’ve got other priorities, or you just don’t feel like it, that can be a good enough answer.”

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Riddle me this. When I was a kid and going through school, the constant messaging that I was getting on the subject of population was "There are too many people, stop having children". But over the last decade the messaging has turned a 180. I know of shadowy consensus groups like the nudge unit exist, rarely are null assumptions entirely free from government meddling. Given that, why. Why did whomever it may be not want the people to have children, but suddenly like a hand on stove response, flip?
 
Riddle me this. When I was a kid and going through school, the constant messaging that I was getting on the subject of population was "There are too many people, stop having children". But over the last decade the messaging has turned a 180. I know of shadowy consensus groups like the nudge unit exist, rarely are null assumptions entirely free from government meddling. Given that, why. Why did whomever it may be not want the people to have children, but suddenly like a hand on stove response, flip?
they dont want you to have children, they want you to import millions of third worlders instead
"overpopulation" concerns were always just a bait and switch
 
easy to say as an uninvolved boomer
different story when you're surrounded by shit like pic related in your everyday life
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Ok, enjoy virginity and paranoia.

In real life, women put up with a lot more shit than they report, and what the guy you were replying to was trying to tell you is that you kind of can tell who the false reporters would be, because they also engage in parallel behaviors like generally trying to ruin the reputation of people in their friend groups, etc
 
ITT: Incels coaching incels how to obtain sex while simultaneously hating women.

That sounds like slavery, I'd rather not have that. I want someone who sticks around because they desire me, not because of some arbitrary "social convention" of necessitous servitude.
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The "make it work" mentality some boomers and gen x pushed set a terrible example to millennials and zoomers. When the marriages you see growing up are mostly unhappy or staying together for the kids, it pushes people away from marriage. People didn't want to deal with the social consequences(religious browbeating and loss social status) in the past for divorce. It's made even worse by the past couple generations of American christians being insanely strict and paranoid so people couldn't see if they were compatible before marrying.
I don't think many people in older generations are willing to self reflect on their parenting and influence on younger people and adopt reasons that keep their religion/culture unblemished.
 
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The "make it work" mentality some boomers and gen x pushed set a terrible example to millennials and zoomers. When the marriages you see growing up are mostly unhappy or staying together for the kids, it pushes people away from marriage. People didn't want to deal with the social consequences(religious browbeating and loss social status) in the past for divorce. It's made even worse by the past couple generations of American christians being insanely strict and paranoid so people couldn't see if they were compatible before marrying.
The thing is all relationships technically are "make it work", no matter how good or bad they are. Love is something you have to work for as a man and a woman to sustain and strengthen that bond over time. The problem is most people don't want to do that and just want a Disney fantasy and are surprised that's not reality then become disillusioned by love or something like that.

The best way to make a relationship/marriage work is to have a strong common set of values, share some common interests/social contacts and communicate your honest feelings often to one another (in addition to being curious about one another) in a healthy, respectful, loving and productive manner. I'm not saying this will make life all sunshine and rainbows, but it will forge a very strong love and respect between husband and wife. For some reason though, this is arcane knowledge to the baby boomers and they ended up doing almost the exact opposite.
I don't think many people in older generations are willing to self reflect on their parenting and influence on younger people and adopt reasons that keep their religion/culture unblemished.
That would require humility and honesty with oneself, something most people struggle with but especially the average baby boomer lack. It's a trait that's unfortunately passed down to their children and grandchildren (again, on average) as well, hence the mess we're in right now.
 
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There is no a single reason why things ended up the way they are but my personal take is that these three are the greatest reasons

1- Social media. Its poison for the human mind, for both men but especially women. It plays them like a fiddle and they gladly go along with it. I wont go on and on because Im sure everyone already knows what Im going to say.
2- People barely have time and energy these days. What I mean is that people are needing to work harder than boomers and Gen X-ers ever did to have half of what they had. A lot of people are working two jobs just to pay rent by the end of the month and how much free time is left for them to chase a potential mate? People are in survival mode and no animal focuses on breeding when they are just trying to get by just barely. Boomers reproduced like rabbits because they had all the resources and time to do so.
3- Divorce. Its harder to build something for yourself and the prospect that a woman can take nearly all away even if you do your best is extremely disheartening and the internet allows people, especially men, to see the ugly side of weddings (not even sugar coated with comedy like in sitcoms). They see how little power they have and are understandably afraid to trust a broad that could possibly destroy the little they were able to build and God forbid if you two had a kid as she will nearly always get custody and you just get visitation rights. I really cant put into words how crushing that must feel.

ITT: Incels coaching incels how to obtain sex while simultaneously hating women.

Using incel unironically :story:
easy to say as an uninvolved boomer
different story when you're surrounded by shit like pic related in your everyday life
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And be aware that she doesnt need to see she never gave you consent NOW. She can decide to do so in like, 5 years when you are married and/or built something for yourself. There, now she will make sure to at least drag your name through the mud in front of the court of public opinion (thats the best case scenario here).
 
ITT: Incels coaching incels how to obtain sex while simultaneously hating women.


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The "make it work" mentality some boomers and gen x pushed set a terrible example to millennials and zoomers. When the marriages you see growing up are mostly unhappy or staying together for the kids, it pushes people away from marriage. People didn't want to deal with the social consequences(religious browbeating and loss social status) in the past for divorce. It's made even worse by the past couple generations of American christians being insanely strict and paranoid so people couldn't see if they were compatible before marrying.
I don't think many people in older generations are willing to self reflect on their parenting and influence on younger people and adopt reasons that keep their religion/culture unblemished.
This is just down the wrong avenue of thought.

You can get sick of anyone. You can find your “perfect match” and still through some involuntary mental process begin rationalizing a reroll. That’s the really insidious thing that pornsickness contributes to and that the popular youth culture glamorizes.

Once the reroll fantasy takes root, all arguments escalate and you start making excuses for poisoning your relationship.

Gotta love when people react to "the dating market is hostile to men" by using virgin as an insult
It’s a choice you’re making. It’s not something that some vengeful iteration of god smote you with
 
Riddle me this. When I was a kid and going through school, the constant messaging that I was getting on the subject of population was "There are too many people, stop having children". But over the last decade the messaging has turned a 180. I know of shadowy consensus groups like the nudge unit exist, rarely are null assumptions entirely free from government meddling. Given that, why. Why did whomever it may be not want the people to have children, but suddenly like a hand on stove response, flip?
The liberal institutions have long believed that pollution directly, and tons of other social problems generally and broadly, are caused by too many people. Before climate change became the all-consuming panic, it was overpopulation. So they've been big on "encouraging" fewer kids for 30 years. Either as policy, or acceptable side-effects of other tinkering, like attacking the nuclear family concept and the idea of stable blue collar jobs as oppressive and bad for the planet.

The 180 is a direct result of them failing, as they always do, to consider the ramifications of their social tinkering beyond how it feels "good" or "right" in the moment and never foresaw that fewer kids and lower populations would mean their entire welfare state collapses as there aren't enough people paying in to support those cashing out.

And rather than cut those sacred golden ministry buildings out of the system, which will cost them their power, they're now trying desperately to pump up the numbers at the bottom through mass migration.

Ironically, this will fail because they've expanded gibs and welfare to the point that people who migrate in immediately go on the dole instead of start paying in to the pot.

But good luck trying to tell them that.

So now they're all "Hey, middle class, start making some more of them non-welfare kids so we can pay for all of this'
 
easy to say as an uninvolved boomer
different story when you're surrounded by shit like pic related in your everyday life
I'm neither of those things. You know nothing about me and clearly didn't see what I told you to do should you find yourself in that situation. Also, if you don't have a lawyer friend, make friends with a lawyer. They might not be useful in every situation but you want someone who can send around "Fuck Off" letters.

The "make it work" mentality some boomers and gen x pushed set a terrible example to millennials and zoomers. When the marriages you see growing up are mostly unhappy or staying together for the kids, it pushes people away from marriage.
There is no marriage where you will never not be forced to "make it work". There is no marriage on the planet where you won't be unhappy at some period or another. Defining your livelihood on a feeling such as happiness is gay and retarded and you're dooming yourself to divorce. That's why people divorce so fucking often. It's not because their marriages are bad, it's because marriage is LONG. And it's BORING. You eventually WILL come to hate each other for a period and want to bury an axe in each other's heads. True love is staying together through that and not crossing the lines that end things, such as cheating.

If you stay in it long enough though, you'll find out just as easily as you came to hate each other, you'll also come to love each other again. Sometimes it takes days or weeks. Sometimes it takes months. Sometimes it can take years. Sometimes it can even take over a decade. Eventually though, it does come back. You need to know what you value and clearly define those boundaries. You also need to know how to handle it when someone tries to cross them. They WILL try to cross to them, it's just human nature. Trying to live off of happiness will guarantee you fail. Learn the red flags and habits of what you want and don't want.

And be aware that she doesnt need to see she never gave you consent NOW. She can decide to do so in like, 5 years when you are married and/or built something for yourself. There, now she will make sure to at least drag your name through the mud in front of the court of public opinion
Anyone who sides with someone who does that to you is not worth your time. Even if it's your own mother. You get ahead of the narrative and say they're fucking lying. If they don't believe you, they're not worth your time. If she uses it in divorce, we've seen from other men that it's worthwhile hiding your most valuable assets away from where your wife can get them in a trusted family member who won't screw you over.
 
So one thing I don't quite get. People are saying that one of the reasons nobody is having kids is that they're too expensive. Well, yes, but also no.

In times past when people were way fucking poorer and life was way harder than it is now, people had MORE kids, not less. Now depending on how far back you go some of that was to compensate for infant mortality and all, but still. In general, people were more broke, but families were larger.

What's up with that?
 
sex sounds great and all but honestly the process to get it is just such a chore. and I'm not looking for the type of venue where I could get an STD.

I much rather just play vidya in my spare time than bother with dates and all the attention needed in a relationship. Maybe if my government and country didn't seem dead set on making sure I'm as destitute and miserable as possible I could give it a shot but until the incentives change, I rather just spend my days browsing the farms at work then coming home to some sweet persona 3 reload. I have my friends for IRL social meter being filled so it isn't like I'm just NEETing it up or anything.

Used to bother me more in my early 20s but I've mellowed out in my late 20s and I don't even know what I was so desperate for. I think a few run ins with some BPD chicks set me straight on that.
This is pretty much me.

I dated a number of people in my high schools and college years that ended up either having some sort of mental disorder or were just using me as a piggy bank that it just soured me to dating and trying to get sex/marriage. It’s one thing to be rejected; it’s another thing to be stumped by what happened at the end of a relationship. I’m hesitant to tell details about them because it’s pretty bad. I thought I was the problem since I was seeing all these women, but I don’t know how I could avoid them not knowing who they really are.

Feminism and the #MeToo movement obviously didn’t help. I’m worried that any move I can make would be deemed sexual harassment or assault, and a scene would be made. I was accused of looking at a woman’s ass, and the accuser made a scene in front of the entire room one time. What’s even more egregious is that now, in the span from 2017 to now, you have women going from “no means no” to “no doesn’t mean no, it means chase me more”. If I wanted to play games, I would be playing on my game console instead.

It’s become so ridiculously complicated that I’ve just resolved to playing video games or going on the Internet as a better, more productive, use of my time than having intimate and personal relations with women.
 
So one thing I don't quite get. People are saying that one of the reasons nobody is having kids is that they're too expensive. Well, yes, but also no.

In times past when people were way fucking poorer and life was way harder than it is now, people had MORE kids, not less. Now depending on how far back you go some of that was to compensate for infant mortality and all, but still. In general, people were more broke, but families were larger.

What's up with that?
It’s that dating is expensive. Gas, food, gifts, time, blah blah blah that shit adds up.
Can you make it work with as little cash as possible? Yes. But is it a roadblock for a lot of young guys trying to make their way in the world? Also yes.
 
What's up with that?
Two things I think.

1. There was a far greater family support network in the past, kids are their most expensive when young, clothes are a real money sink with how quickly they grow and how many shoes they go through, god don't even get me started on the shoes, I had one go through FIVE, read it FIVE pairs of shoes in a single year because he just runs around all over the place. I was proud of him, Mrs Bunny was pissed that we had spend even more money on shoes.

In the past they relied alot on hand-me downs, normally alot of people got clothes and even shoes from an older sibling or cousins.

Modern day parents seems to spend too much on their kids, again with shoes, I get cheap shoes for $10, some parent get shoes that are between $20-$40, why do they do this? Idk.

2. Modern people have alot more bills to pay for than those in the past, people in the past didn't have to worry about car payments, electric, or even heating cost as example. Because they didn't have cars or electric, and heating was cutting your own firewood and wear more layers.
 
So one thing I don't quite get. People are saying that one of the reasons nobody is having kids is that they're too expensive. Well, yes, but also no.

In times past when people were way fucking poorer and life was way harder than it is now, people had MORE kids, not less. Now depending on how far back you go some of that was to compensate for infant mortality and all, but still. In general, people were more broke, but families were larger.

What's up with that?
It's because the past 20-30 years of goyslop psyoping is working. When I was in school, the teachers had us sit there and made us calculate how much children today cost by using extraordinary numbers. They inflated them extraordinarily and downplayed the fact you don't pay that all at once and just lied about the inaccuracy or their estimates. You have many years of social conditioning teaching people to refuse to give up their creature comforts. You have years of telling people raising kids is too difficult. You have years of telling people that your job should be your purpose, not your family. It's all worked wonders for the TPTB.

Bottom line is, DINKs are fucking niggers and they successfully convinced all of you that being one is a good thing.
 
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